Gotcha, fair point really.
Moyes So Far!
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Has someone seriously suggested this?
Classic no win territory for Moyes these last two games.
But i'll say one thing about yesterday, it was so standard, so comfortable it was like an old times win. Can't give any more praise than that!
But i'll say one thing about yesterday, it was so standard, so comfortable it was like an old times win. Can't give any more praise than that!
Line up is one thing, tactics another. And that's where the problem lies
Don't be daft, it won't be down to anything to do with Moyes when we are back on top. I just enjoy the fact these clowns are turning themselves inside out with bitterness about Moyes when getting behind him and the club is pretty easy really.
I thought some of the passing and movement against WH was really good to see.
I agree, still along way to go though. What's frustrating is the Kagawa situation, he's shown that he is our best player at linking up play. We desperately need that type of player and he is being left out out of the team.
The poster just said the he doesn't think the wide pitch has suited us however it shouldn't really make much of a difference. Then I think two or three other posters commented on how it could also be the case.
After having watched, admittedly the hightlights, or the Man city, chelsea and Liverpool games - I have to say we have some way to go to reach that level of cohesion and interplay...
we are pretty boring
we are pretty boring
This. Playing our most creative players and telling them to whip it in from the touchline on loop is the big issue. Had we tried to play everything down the wings against West Ham the same XI would have been just as rubbish as any other side we picked. What was different was that the approach taken by the players out there was a million miles away from anything we've seen from United under Moyes. Even against Olympiakos we had nowhere near the level of movement, interchange and short, quick, passing that we produced last night. I want to believe Moyes wont throw that out of the window on Tuesday night.
I can honestly say that i sent him a letter to express my support. He never wrote back, his assistant did. Moyes out 
Were top of the away form league table if thats anything !
I think we will see games where it looks like its all forgotten and games where it looks like we are trying to do this. I think its still going to be inconsistent for a while longer.
Nope.
Yesterday's team selection (going forward, anyway) and how we played is encouraging but what's is discouraging is that the obvious change was only made once his hand was forced. Had RVP not received that injury we' have had the same system/set-up as we have the last few months that hasn't worked. Part of me fears that when RVP returns we'll go back to the same system with the manager back to scratching his head as to how it doesn't work
Well his got 6 weeks. But don't expect the same team against City.. Remember this is tinker man. Plus all out centre backs were injured so it was more than one forced change and I'm sure Welbeck will be rewarded for his Wednesday performance.
If he drops Mata or Kagawa and keeps Young, he will get a lot of criticism.
I hope he isn't. There was nothing wrong with us going forward yesterday. For all of Young's critics (who I thought were way off the mark yesterday) we had that perfect blend of tight-central passing going forward with a wide outlet. It's also the first time that lot have started together, I think. I see no compelling reason to change it after one game, no disrespect to Welbeck or anyone else who may have done well in midweek.
I've got a strange feeling we might not even see RVP again this season, which allows Moyes to be more creative with the team in terms of utilising our more creative players. Perhaps it will be the catalyst for finally moving in the right direction. If we do so much better without RVP for the rest of the season, Moyes probably will find his answers...
We know Kagawa will get dropped. He will pick the same team as Wednesday.. Providing Valencia's eye had opened. Mata will replace RVP. If we had been playing good all season I'm sure he would have had confidence in that team to play city however for him to pick that team would mean no sense for caution. Realistically though you can't blame him, they would split yesterday's team apart.
How would they? Ignoring the forced selections at the back, yesterday was the first time this season we've dominated midfield for much of the game aside form 15 minutes after half time.
I don't get how suddenly we must hurriedly return to our status quo of two wide players for fear of being ripped apart.
Always said he just needed time.
Attaboy Davy
Just keep doing what we done in the last 2, win every game between now and the end of the season 3-0 and we might give you next summer.
Attaboy Davy
Just keep doing what we done in the last 2, win every game between now and the end of the season 3-0 and we might give you next summer.
Hence I hope he keeps playing the trio. Not sure he will learn from it though and he likes to change things way too often for my liking
Its not a return to status quo. Welbeck is not a winger plus we played exactly the same formation as Wednesday Kagawa played Welbeck's role and Mata Rooney's. Either way this is a pointless discussion we know i will be right come Tuesday.
The true test will come on Tuesday night and then again against Bayern on the 1st and 9th of April. I'm far from convinced that he has turned a corner, I'm also far from convinced that he's the right man for the job.
I still believe that he should get sacked for failing to get us in the top 4, however I don't believe he will be so we can only hope that he starts to improve against the bigger teams. His record so far has been atrocious, not just the results but the way we have been so convincingly beaten.
A win against Olympiacos and West Ham, although good to see still changes nothing. If we put in decent performances from now until the end of the season then there may be hope for next season, otherwise I fear it will be the same as this season shambles, even if he can, it shouldn't paper over what has been a season to forget.
I still believe that he should get sacked for failing to get us in the top 4, however I don't believe he will be so we can only hope that he starts to improve against the bigger teams. His record so far has been atrocious, not just the results but the way we have been so convincingly beaten.
A win against Olympiacos and West Ham, although good to see still changes nothing. If we put in decent performances from now until the end of the season then there may be hope for next season, otherwise I fear it will be the same as this season shambles, even if he can, it shouldn't paper over what has been a season to forget.
I believe (and believed before Sir Alex`s retirement was being mooted and Moyes` name was being thrown around) that David Moyes is not good enough for Manchester United in the longer term. After a 2nd mediocre season if it happens, I believe we need to find an outstanding European manager who has a proven track record and good grasp of the Premier League. Not necessarily an older man.
However, to suggest he should get the sack for failing to get United into the top 4 is a bit harsh.
I heartily agree that the recent wins change nothing. This is Manchester United, it`s not a middle of the table club with a mediocre history recent or otherwise. I understand why some Red Devils believe that Moyes has to be given the opportunity to prove himself that Sir Alex had but as I am sure you realise, that was then, this is now. Everything has changed since Alex Ferguson first became the manager who was to turn into the legend. The footballing and wider world was so different, there really is little point in drawing comparisons of then with 2014. If we`re not careful a David Moyes` management period of any length beyond 2 yrs could turn into a descent that will be hard to reverse.
I'd personally say he should keep his job if we get a good run going at the end of the season and put up a spirited performance against Munich. Discounting City, we have an OK run in.
City(H)
Villa(H)
Newcastle(A)
Everton(A)
Norwich(A)
Sunderland(H)
Hull(H)
Southampton(A)
Can see us getting 5 wins out of that.
Obviously, 5/6/7th is a disappointment, but I see it something like this: At the start of the year I expected Moyes to finish in 3rd/4th. City and Chelsea were always going to be better than us this year. Arsenal have done really well and with Liverpool lighting it up, even 4th would have been very tricky for Moyes in such a transitional year. Our squad right now, relative to the rest of the league, is probably around 3/4/5 quality.
So I see it as him basically underperfoming by around 2/3 positions in the table. That is really not a colossal amount - it's a few jammy goals, poor luck, unfortunate injuries, uncommited Captain's, poor performances, whatever. I think he should be able to turn that around in the next transfer window, leaving us in a good position to; secure a definite CL place, and potentially challenge for the title in the next 2 years.
City(H)
Villa(H)
Newcastle(A)
Everton(A)
Norwich(A)
Sunderland(H)
Hull(H)
Southampton(A)
Can see us getting 5 wins out of that.
Obviously, 5/6/7th is a disappointment, but I see it something like this: At the start of the year I expected Moyes to finish in 3rd/4th. City and Chelsea were always going to be better than us this year. Arsenal have done really well and with Liverpool lighting it up, even 4th would have been very tricky for Moyes in such a transitional year. Our squad right now, relative to the rest of the league, is probably around 3/4/5 quality.
So I see it as him basically underperfoming by around 2/3 positions in the table. That is really not a colossal amount - it's a few jammy goals, poor luck, unfortunate injuries, uncommited Captain's, poor performances, whatever. I think he should be able to turn that around in the next transfer window, leaving us in a good position to; secure a definite CL place, and potentially challenge for the title in the next 2 years.
Hopefully it's the first one, because with the players we have we will crack this eventually.
Tuesday will be an interesting but tough game vs a much better squad of players. But claiming Bayern is the true test is absurd. Nobody can beat bayern. They absolutely hammer City at home, didn't do so well in the other match since they had nothing to play for, they beat barca 7-0 last season. If you're going to set your standards this high, that bayern is the big test, then every manager we ever get in will be sacked as soon as we meet a team like bayern
I'm not expecting a result, what I am expecting is a performance that is worthy of the Champions of England. Just because we play Bayern doesn't mean we have an excuse for not going through, what it does give the team is the perfect opportunity to show the rest of the World that the club can still play with the best of them with or without Sir Alex. People are all ready saying we're out, well let's go out fighting, what have we got to lose.
It also gives Moyes the opportunity to show us what he's really made off, he's going to be up against one of the best managers and possibly the best team in World football, what will he do? Will it be a case of fight or flight? That's where the true test lies.
the issue is in these away games we are getting more space in opponents defensive third. we exploit it well but in our home games we are not afforded such luxury and we are far FAR too expansive to break down the midfield. we're just covering spaces rather than moving as a team. we become so predictable imo because we cant break through the opposition's midfield, leaving us to try and find ways to penetrate the defense through the wings
Bayern's not the acid test. But City, Everton, Newcastle, Southampton - those are the matches in which we should show something different from the previous round of matches.
Everton is going to be hard as they will want to prove something. I read something somewhere on the net recently that the Everton supporters are going to give Moyes a hard time. Not for leaving but for disrepecting Baines in offering a low price and for suggesting that Everton should not stand in the way of him furthering his career at a big club.
Yep. I don't think there's any lineup Moyes can choose that will see us not lose to Bayern over two legs. It's a near impossible job.
Hope the players area little less defeatist eh?
It's just a basic fact no? They're about the win their league already and are the defending Champions, we're 7th. It would be silly to sack Moyes because we can't beat Bayern when we didn't sack him when we lost all those games to much lesser teams.
He won't drop Mata, absolutely no chance.
But every chance of dropping Kagawa. You can't compare the two.
People are deluding themselves if they think we've 'turned a corner' or the like. Even David Moyes is going to win the odd game here and there.
Nothing has changed; he's still the wrong man and we'd still be idiots if we give him another year.
Nothing has changed; he's still the wrong man and we'd still be idiots if we give him another year.
Kagawa for me was MOTM against West Ham. His link up play at times was bringing Mata and Rooney more into the game. It's something we have been crying out for, dropping him would be a big mistake, without him the gaps between areas is to great.
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