We shouldn't listen to fergie on manager appointments from now on. Go through the normal process of short listing potential names and debating over them, getting them for interviews in to see their vision etc. didn't fergie once say Martin O'Neil was good enough for the top level or something like that? FFS.
Moyes So Far!
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We shouldn't listen to fergie on manager appointments from now on. Go through the normal process of short listing potential names and debating over them, getting them for interviews in to see their vision etc. didn't fergie once say Martin O'Neil was good enough for the top level or something like that? FFS.
Indeed, once he's gone he's gone - he should be able to offer his insight but he shouldn't ultimately run this club and it seems like he does at the minute (he recommended Moyes and presumably he's the one who's opting for sticking with him). If he has any input in the next manager choice it will probably go to McLeish if he's still active in 5 years when Moyes goes.
Personally I find it nearly impossible to imagine Fergie didn't envisage Jose as the #1 candidate to succeed him. It would have been vetoed by Bobby Charlton if it were ever suggested, going by Bobby's own words almost.
Fergie might be deluded about Moyes's ability but there is just no way he thought he was more suited to Manchester United than Jose. Look at what he saw in Eric's attitude and self belief, and generally the qualities he looked for in leaders on the pitch.. how does David Moyes tally one little bit with any of it? He's just Scottish.
Fergie might be deluded about Moyes's ability but there is just no way he thought he was more suited to Manchester United than Jose. Look at what he saw in Eric's attitude and self belief, and generally the qualities he looked for in leaders on the pitch.. how does David Moyes tally one little bit with any of it? He's just Scottish.
So in your eyes the choice is:
- choosing to trust in SAF in that he is supporting Moyes for the right, prudent reasons
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- choosing to believe SAF is blinkered and incapable of seeing beyond his own vested pride in accepting that Moyes will never succeed . .
So the Glazers are taking guidance from SAF, most people know and accept that . . But you acknowledge that they wont be as blinkered . . Which means . . That the Glazers support Moyes right now and for whatever reason don't feel like SAF is blinkered and are trusting his judgement.
I think, in the absence of actually knowing the truth, people are choosing to fill in gaps about what exactly is going on the club. If the Glazers sacked Moyes, who is to say it wasn't after SAF agreed that he would not succeed?
There is a very misguided assumption on these forums that SAF is most definitely going to completely ignore all the experiences he has gained over his distinguished career, in favour of putting his head in the sand and not wanting to admit he is wrong. I am sorry , while this is a possibility, based on the mans consistant ruthless streak throughout his career, this is more an improbable assumption.
People are entitled to have difference of opinions on why Moyes still has the backing of the board and SAF, but just because the view of the club differs from the view of many fans who want Moyes out does not mean there is some sort of conspiracy or head in the sand strategy. The club evidently sees something in Moyes that they feel is worth supporting. The players have not actually come out publically against Moyes (if anything he has gotten surprising support). These are two positives that the Moyes out brigade simply cannot understand , therefore they ignore and actually give out about it (some people wishing that there was public unrest in dressingroom just so Moyes has to be sacked!).
Fans are making up all sorts of innuendos as to why this is the case. It couldn't possibly be that the fans populist dissatisfaction is misguided and based on limited vision on what it takes to build up a club after the loss of its greatest manager. Oh no , it has to be something else, there is no way that the fans could be wrong on this, results and performances suggest that there is no possible outcome then Moyes failing therefore anybody who thinks otherwise is wrong.
He might have got them playing football, so they might just end up being Everton never winning anything, but play great football. How long before their fans start hankering after trophies and that he won one with Wigan, why can't you do that with us?
Actually that is beginning to get my goat. Too many at Everton are putting the boot in. The wrong manager coming in and they might have been relegated. Yes he might not be the manager for us, but he saved their scrawny necks.
Good chance he'll actually land the wankers a cup in the next few seasons.
not really. you talk about people choosing to fill in the gaps but then assume things i wasnt even trying to suggest...ta
What about Tomalonge? Or has he cracked too?
How much will it cost to fire him? I'm guessing that's some of the reason he's still around
The Glazers are surely clever enough to have a contract like his riddled with clauses to save their asses in situations just like now.
Oooooh is something happening?
fingers crossed it's bad news for Moyes
Sadly there's plenty of legitimate, non-moyes-sacking reasons why that could be happening
God I haven't been that excited since we won the league last season.
Sack sack sack.
Sack sack sack.
Like?
It'll be new contract for Moyes, has to be. 
As it says under the tweet, board meeting, offical lunch with the opponents, solidarity towards Moyes etc
Or we are unveiling our next big signing - our official towel supplier.
Fingers crossed tonight is the straw that breaks the camels back.
Fcuk yeah sack the Gollum.
It'll be new contract for Moyes, has to be.
'6 years for David was not enough, let's make it 16 this time. We need to give the fans real certainty'
I hate to be the one to spoil the party but, board meetings can happen for any reason, in any corporation.
While I hope it is regarding his future, I doubt very much if it is
While I hope it is regarding his future, I doubt very much if it is
How do we even know that is a current photo?
In any case, we have a game on tonight, they need to put the Champers on ice and open the red wine to allow it to breath properly. There's also prawn sandwich making to oversee.
In any case, we have a game on tonight, they need to put the Champers on ice and open the red wine to allow it to breath properly. There's also prawn sandwich making to oversee.
They are just looking for a story, as you say it's part of business, people getting excited for nothing.
Hopefully it is 'sack sack sack, if we don't eleminate Olybiacos. It would be interesting also what will happen with the retarded banner. Reading on Stretford End twitter account it looks like quite a lot of fans are even threatening to get that shit out of there, though those who have put it are saying that they won't remove it. Apparently there is also some money in for the person who removes it, and Red Issue posters have donated 1000 pounds in order to remove it. If we are defeated by Olybiacos, surely it has to go, right?
Olybiacos?
It that some in joke?
It that some in joke?
pretty sure it's normal business as usual now that i think about it. think delegations from both clubs meet for lunch on matchday.
i never wanted moyes but seeing the clamor for him to be sacked based on that DM article seems a bit rich to me.
EDIT: apologies if i interpreted your posts incorrectly but as much as i think he should go, it's not something i feel happy about
i never wanted moyes but seeing the clamor for him to be sacked based on that DM article seems a bit rich to me.
EDIT: apologies if i interpreted your posts incorrectly but as much as i think he should go, it's not something i feel happy about
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He had them in for extra training this week.....So expect a tired performance
I don't know. Someone posted that a couple of days ago which was responded with a lot of criticizm (I don't know why), so it looked funny to me.
Be clear, it would be incredible if the Board weren't talking about whether Moyes was the right manager. Perhaps they are reviewing his performances today, who knows. Its their job to determine whether an employee is up to scratch.
But for one, the point when it was worthwhile sacking him before the end of the season has gone. After the Olympiakos defeat there was an argument that our season could be saved by injecting enthusiasm from a new face. However they won't do it on the day of the game, and if we lose the season is over anyway. May as well let him see out the season, nothing to lose.
The other things is that even if they decided he was to go at the end of the season, they wouldn't even hint right now. Even with nothing to play for, we want to win our games. Giving the players license to slack off, knowing the manager is a dead man walking, helps no-one.
Who knows? They might get inspired from Moyes' sack, ignore his instructions and start playing good again. Stranger things have happened.
I'll offer €1,000 to whoever spray paints it the WRONG one before the match tonight.
Sacking him right now, before the game, would surely increase our chances of qualifying for the next round, even if just a tiny amount. That isnt even necessarily to say it would definitely be beneficial long term, but when you have a run of form like this, changing the manager can provide a lift. So in that sense, maybe the point when it was worth sacking the manager before the end of the season has not passed, it is in its eleventh hour. But anyway, it wont happen so moot point.
Regardless of whether its made known he's going or staying, if we lose tonight our season is over. So our players are hardly going to be motivated for the the slugged end of the campaign, unless they're playing for transfers.
Imagine if Sir Alex walked into the dressing room to announce he's taking over tonight...
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