You can choose not to believe as much as you want but people make mistakes and have blindspots and it's certainly possible SAF will still back Moyes even at the slightest glint of hope. Hell he picked him for a very difficult task. The Glazers based on their previous track record wont be so patientAgree wholeheartedly . .
I desperately want DM to succeed and while I find it awful seeing the club dragged down so far, a part of me thinks that there must be something that DM can do to rebuild the club. I justcantdon't believe that SAF and by extension the Glazers would continue to support a manager with no vision and no signs that they can improve.
What I don't know is how long is enough !!!!
Moyes So Far!
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So you pin this on it not being his team? It is the managers responsibility to get the best out of the group he has - he has failed. What basis do you have to suggest it will be any different under "his players?". He has spent £64m on 2 players and neither have performed. One looks lost as he is being deployed in a position alien to him (managers decision to play him there) and the other has so far looked out his depth. Now both players may come good, but there is no doubt the system the manager is deploying does not get the best out of "his" 2 players.
Im sorry, there is nothing to suggest giving him time will change any of what we have seen.
In the same way total football is ingrained into Ajax. Michels started it, van Gaal stepped in and helped awaken it two decades later and someone else will do again in the future. Poor managers can make that go away for a period (as happened in between Busby and Sir Alex) but when an elite manager comes in and gets things working like a well-oiled machine that will rear its head again. It's simply part of the club's identity.
Get your point but sort of disagree about poor managers between Busby and Fergie. I know I sound like a broken record but I reckon the Doc would have won the league before 1980 if they hadn't sacked him.
I switched to 'Moyes Out' mode about a month ago. That said, I was sitting down and thinking last night, and I have returned to the conclusion that Moyes is still a very good manager and will have us winning trophies eventually if given the time. I appreciate that he hasn't shown anything to suggest that since he's come here. I am basing my opinion largely on the things he showed to get himself here. I've always thought he was a top manager (as much as you can think as much from your armchair in London). I don't doubt he could be successful eventually, the only issue is whether we should allow eventually to come. Because he may be able to turn things around in a couple of seasons doesn't mean that Klopp would not turn things around from August, and that still isn't the way to go.
Ultimately, I would not be sad to see him go at all, and am struggling to see any positives now. However, I don't believe he is as clueless as the media and twitter are making out, and he'll probably show that eventually if he stayed. Whether that is good enough or not, I don't know.
Ultimately, I would not be sad to see him go at all, and am struggling to see any positives now. However, I don't believe he is as clueless as the media and twitter are making out, and he'll probably show that eventually if he stayed. Whether that is good enough or not, I don't know.
Well, he can't be clueless, not with his past. You don't manage a club for so long if you are clueless. Football is cruel, it finds you out quickly. However, ironically, he may indeed be a bit clueless at United - and he IS being found out...
I'm currently watching season reviews from 1999 onwards and I feel so sad right now and during the 2002-2003 season one, Peter Kenyon says teams don't become bad teams overnight. I hope he's watching. 
When you have David Moyes as your manager everything is possible and records are truly broken. We've gone from being the most feared club in England to everyone making fun of us in less than a single season.
When you have David Moyes as your manager everything is possible and records are truly broken. We've gone from being the most feared club in England to everyone making fun of us in less than a single season.That stuff on Ancelotti is very interesting. If for any reason we didn't want Mourinho, such as his behaviour, then Ancelotti was the stand out candidate. When he said he wanted to leave PSG we should have been sounding him out about the possibility. To not even approach guys like Mou, Ancelotti and Klopp was criminal. They may not have joined but to dismiss proven winners is truly remarkable.
Ancelloti had his heart set on going to Madrid IMO.
If you know who you want to appoint why is it remarkable not to approach several other people?
Yeah most likely. I remember there were lots of rumours about it, but to completely discount him or any of the others was mental and I will never understand it.
The decision by the board to let SAF chose his successor I believe has been the catalyst for all this. All boards have a nominations committee for dealing with succession planing for key staff. And it's not usual for that committee to consult outside the board. And more over considering SAF's standing within the game and knowledge of other managers (ie Mourinho etc) it makes sense to have him put his opinions and thoughts forward. But to have him make the decision on who gets the job (we know this because he invited Moyes round to his house and offered him the job) and the board merely rubber stamp the decision is just terrible, terrible governance.
There should have a proper process whereby candidates were interviewed and tested etc. No due process was taken place by the board. It might be an unpopular opinion but not even SAF should have that much power within the club. To me having SAF choose his successor is a bit like the tail wagging the dog. As great as Sir Alex has been letting him have powers that really should've rested with the entire board, not one person, as been a real disaster thus far.
There should have a proper process whereby candidates were interviewed and tested etc. No due process was taken place by the board. It might be an unpopular opinion but not even SAF should have that much power within the club. To me having SAF choose his successor is a bit like the tail wagging the dog. As great as Sir Alex has been letting him have powers that really should've rested with the entire board, not one person, as been a real disaster thus far.
I think the point is it was rather strange that the person we wanted wasn't one of the others mentioned. Mistakes are made though, the most important thing is correcting them whilst it's still possible.
To discount serial winners for a major gamble on someone who has never been near the level of United is mental. After 26 years of SAF, even if we got a Mou/Pep/Ancelotti for 3 years or so to stabilise the club and keep them winning before seeing what someone like Moyes could do makes much more sense to me.
This is clearly visible. The mentality at that team has changed drastically under Martinez.
heh they just keep coming http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ll-news/loss-excuses-david-moyes-gave-6842116
I don't know if this has been posted. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/twice-many-manchester-united-fans-3258558
The media is just going all out against Moyes now.
The media is just going all out against Moyes now.
Good, it's about time.
The free ride he's gotten so far is crazy given how AVB was hounded out of Spurs despite being higher in the table.
I think the media play a big part in who does and doesn't get sacked so if they've got their targets set on Moyes then I hope it will hasten his dismissal.
But that's besides the point. Whatever our motivations were, right or wrong, you wouldn't select someone you wanted and then proceed to interview several others for the post, as you were suggesting. That would have made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I wouldn't say they're going all out against him. They're just picking up on what the majority of the fans are saying. They've been disregarding the general sentiment of the fans but it all seemed to change after the Olympiakos loss away.
It seems that the English media only noticed/cared how bad we've been when we were embarrassed in Europe.
Barkley: Martinez's shit smells better than Moyes'. And that has given everyone a lift.
I was going to make a post of teams that played more exciting football than us under Moyes but the list got so long I gave up and just wrote a list of those who don't.
Congratulations Fulham.
Congratulations Fulham.
Martinez would be a good replacement for Moyes......He plays the right way and has actually won something and let's face it - Moyes chose Fellaini when he could have got McCarthy for a third of the money and that alone should be enough to sack him with. Martinez would attract good players from Everton that we thought would want to come and play for Moyes until we realized that they'd prefer to stay at Everton on half the money under Martinez then play for Moyes. I don't think we'd be able to get Martinez though as he is the type that will give Everton a few years...probably has a contract stating he needs to stay a few years...bugger
Nutmegged.
Martinez hasn't yet done at Everton anything that Moyes didn't do.
He hasn't been there a season, a bit premature to compare accolades.
Though he has got them immediately playing better football than they ever have under the 11 years of Moyes' tenure.
Lost away at all top 4 teams like previously, got spanked by Liverpool, similar league position & out of all cup competitions despite having a better squad. Hmmm....
But football, yeah, good football.
But football, yeah, good football.
He's got 3 points from Old Trafford at his first attempt. He's got Everton above United in the league in March but I suppose he's got Moyes to thank for that.
That's a spurious argument. If you are now saying it all depends on the manager, well that's what I said. X is part of the 'identity' of the club insofar as we associate those managers and their attributes with the club's as I originally said.
No point going back and forth any further.
Speaking of Van Gaal he has again made it clear he is looking for a job in the Premier League because he wants to win the title in 4 countries. He can't be thinking of Spurs as his first choice, really, can he? He would absolutely leap at the chance if we gave it to him.
Will we feck up again by keeping David Bobbins on for another catastrophic year?
Also thanks to Moyes, Martinez lost the best player from Everton last year but still managed to fashion a better squad. Conversely our squad got significantly weaker apparently despite spending nearly £70m. I don't rate Martinez that highly but he is doing a pretty good job taking over from a manager who has been at the heart of a club for a long time.
Yet all that was seemingly enough to get Moyes the job.
Im not saying we should get Martinez though. We really should have been looking at top managers.
That is why we shouldn't make the same mistake again, i.e. if Moyes' appointment turns out to be a mistake and he is finally sacked.
Martinez has done nothing so far to be a candidate for the United job. He has less credentials than Moyes.
they tied arsenal....
Ross Barkley putting his or in:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...n-Moyes-Ross-Barkley-aims-dig-at-Man-Utd-boss
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...n-Moyes-Ross-Barkley-aims-dig-at-Man-Utd-boss
it's a joke really, you'd think his former players would be supporting him but it seems they didn't rate him all that highly anyway. No way should he be a man utd manager.Ferguson and nahealai are the only people in the world who actually rate Moyes, aren't they?
Even Fergie must have come around by now.
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