Moyes So Far!
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This time last season, Moyes Everton had 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 35. This season, Manchester United have 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 34.
Well in Moyes' defence, the stats show he has improved by conceding one goal less. Just took the Champions + £70m worth of players to do so.
And a Steven Gerrard penalty hitting the post.
We all know he is turning us into Everton. Look at the league results, the staff he appointed and the players he tries to buy. He could have done all this with a lot less grief to himself (and admittedly on a lower salary) by staying at Everton.
I don't think his ambition is in question, he signed Mata and he went ferociously after Fabregas, he has also met several times with Kroos' agent. Fellaini was clearly lastminute.com because he failed to get his other top targets.
We were in for Fellaini for most of the summer though, we were just trying to dupe Everton into a double deal with Baines and only split them at the last minute. Plus I think Mata's signing and subsequent use raises more questions about the manager than it gains him plaudits, I felt certain when he signed that it had to signal a move to a more interesting system with Mata as the focal point. A couple of months, lots of starts from the wing and some shocking form later, that certainty has ebbed away to a fair degree. So there's ambition in terms of the money spent and the names (trying to be) brought in, but if there's no according ambition in how he's prepared to use them then it's all kind of pointless.
He's doing the same thing with Mata he did with Kagawa.
Mata almost seems like a panic buy, we needed someone to rally the fans without much forethought into how we can integrate him into the system.
Problem is Moyes doesn't really have a system aside from putting on all the best players he has week by week.
Problem is Moyes doesn't really have a system aside from putting on all the best players he has week by week.
He was definitely a panic buy, but I think we all kind of considered him a player you can't really go wrong with. And yet...
Oh I certainly agree but assuming the club is being long term and they stick with moyes then this is the option they've left (letting moyes bring his own players), but I dont think he should have that luxury anymore based on performances.
Looking through some of those old threads, it seems my thoughts on Moyes a few years back were...
Well at least it's good to know I won't have to make a grovelling mea culpa anytime soon. Which is paltrily reassuring in a "well at least I had all those visions of everybody dying before it actually happened" sort of a way.
Also...
The whole Moyes thing is odd to me. He may...may, possibly, grow into the job but there's nothing, and I mean literally nothing to demonstrate he'd be a good United, or even big, big club manager at this point. He's demonstrated he can work on a budget to an acceptable level for an upper mid table club. That's it. He's also never played very good football. Akin to O'Neil in that regard, who suddenly got proposed based largely on the fact he was close enough to British & got Celtic to a European final. Well Roy Hodgson and Schteve McClaren got teams without Henrik Larsson in them to the same European final. So what? In fact McClaren did so not too long after being Fergie's right hand man in the Treble season. Credentials that would surely put him well above all of them in the overly fertile romantic imaginations of many of the "right way" lot.
Both have always struck me as bonkers candidates.
Well at least it's good to know I won't have to make a grovelling mea culpa anytime soon. Which is paltrily reassuring in a "well at least I had all those visions of everybody dying before it actually happened" sort of a way.
Also...
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does moyes have any tactical knowledge or does he pick his team out of a hat?????
this is a serious question by the way
this is a serious question by the way
Of course he is. He spends more time fellating Wayne Rooney and his ego than he does attempting to manage the football club. He, allegedly, runs his transfer plans by Rooney, likely seeks Rooney's approval on line-ups, and probably has Rooney in charge of tactics.
Before January, we were infuriated with his team selections when he consistently kept picking Young and Valencia and benching other players like Rafael. Now, since the turn of the year, he seems to be picking the right teams - the starting XI against Liverpool last weekend was arguably our strongest one. But that's all he gets right, because the tactics were non-existent and he had no idea what to do (other than sitting dejectedly in the dugout) when it was clear to everyone in the stadium that Liverpool were overrunning us. Picking the strongest XI doesn't make you a Manchester United manager. Anyone who plays FM can pick a strong XI. The man has no sense of tactics whatsoever and plays dinosaur football, it's unbelievable. The fact that he's taken a world class player in Mata and rendered him useless says it all really.
It is indeed, and an anagram of his full name david William Moyes is. A Mislaid Moldy View
It seems to me that Moyes is throwing everything he can to buy him some time, and it doesn't even make sense
"GRAND PLAN" - doh' took you to the brink of sacking to come up with a grand plan
"Play Kagawa" - That'll sure buy me sometime, the fans gonna be excited anticipating him
"Scouting players across Europe" - He's eyeing new players, give him some time
"Shaking up the youth scouting" - He's working behind the screen, new ipads, give him time (while to be fair, the long term scouting is the least of his worry)
"Letter to fans" - Trying to shift some bad voice among the fans to argue on his behalf on the redcafe
"I've done this before last year at Everton" - Woy Mk.II
He's getting desperate IMO, he started to look for petty small things that he neglects the very thing he must improve : his tactics
"GRAND PLAN" - doh' took you to the brink of sacking to come up with a grand plan
"Play Kagawa" - That'll sure buy me sometime, the fans gonna be excited anticipating him
"Scouting players across Europe" - He's eyeing new players, give him some time
"Shaking up the youth scouting" - He's working behind the screen, new ipads, give him time (while to be fair, the long term scouting is the least of his worry)
"Letter to fans" - Trying to shift some bad voice among the fans to argue on his behalf on the redcafe
"I've done this before last year at Everton" - Woy Mk.II
He's getting desperate IMO, he started to look for petty small things that he neglects the very thing he must improve : his tactics
Whats the point of giving the cnut a 200 mil warchest when he won't know what to do with the players he buys?
You could give him the budget to buy Messi and he'd play him on the wing.
The only reason to keep Moyes as I said in another thread was his transfer plans, and bringing in targets he has already shortlisted.
Gary Lineker tweeted something similar, not sure how to embed tweets though.
https://twitter.com/GaryLineker
Gary Lineker tweeted something similar, not sure how to embed tweets though.
https://twitter.com/GaryLineker
Umm I want to read that tweet but I'm not sure which one it is. Do this man :
Just click on the expand at bottom left of the tweet.
There's a details thingy next to the timestamp right above the collapse option.
Click on the details option.
You will be redirected to a new window.
Copy url for the page.
Click on media tab in the redcafe posting box.
Paste the url in the 'Enter Media URL' part.
Click embed.
Then I can read that particular tweet instead of meandering through Linekar's account.
Over 3 tweets:
His record of getting Everton to 6th-7th on average, playing his dogs of war football style merritts letting him tear up Fergie's team of Champions and allowing him to spend up to 100mill more of our cash to add to the 60 odd already given? which we've seen bupkiss results from, so we need to spend 160million just for Moyes to get us into the top 4? when we didn't want to hire a manager like Mourinho who *may* have demand similar investment but going for the title year on year??
This is like a bad dream I can't wake up from, a trait of a good coach Mr.Lineker is the ability to improve what's been given to you, not judging them after buying a 160million pounds of talent to mask inadequacy of a underperforming manager, coaches earn their weight in gold on the training pitch and putting players in the best position to help contribute no matter how limited, Rodgers had Henderson and Joe Allen doing rings around us sunday for goodness sake.
Our passing is piss poor, our movement is non-existant, we hardly create a damn thing from open play despite the talent of RVP, Rooney & Mata who've been consistently voted top 5 PL performers.
The guy has shown to be tactically useless, his attacking play is stuff of nightmare, for me I'd have gotten rid after the embarassement of a display vs Fulham at OT, with his 83 lumps into the box, that alone showed me Moyes doesn't understand the basics of how to play through teams, even after 11+ years already in the premier league, the approach shown that day confirmed he will never be a success at United.
Do one Lineker.
This is like a bad dream I can't wake up from, a trait of a good coach Mr.Lineker is the ability to improve what's been given to you, not judging them after buying a 160million pounds of talent to mask inadequacy of a underperforming manager, coaches earn their weight in gold on the training pitch and putting players in the best position to help contribute no matter how limited, Rodgers had Henderson and Joe Allen doing rings around us sunday for goodness sake.
Our passing is piss poor, our movement is non-existant, we hardly create a damn thing from open play despite the talent of RVP, Rooney & Mata who've been consistently voted top 5 PL performers.
The guy has shown to be tactically useless, his attacking play is stuff of nightmare, for me I'd have gotten rid after the embarassement of a display vs Fulham at OT, with his 83 lumps into the box, that alone showed me Moyes doesn't understand the basics of how to play through teams, even after 11+ years already in the premier league, the approach shown that day confirmed he will never be a success at United.
Do one Lineker.
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If Moyes was the manager at City, Liverpool or Chelsea, would anyone be saying this sort of shite?
The answer is no. Why are we getting "special treatment"?
It's actually beyond ridiculous now. What has to happen for Moyes to be held accountable in the eyes of some?
Just tear the f*cking banner down and get the ball rolling.
Just tear the f*cking banner down and get the ball rolling.
Lineker talking bollocks. What record?
Wasn't he wanting AVB out for his precious Spurs. Yet thinks Moyes deserves more time.
Wasn't he wanting AVB out for his precious Spurs. Yet thinks Moyes deserves more time.
Someone should ask Lineker if he thinks Arsenal should have kept Rioch instead of appointing Wenger in 1996, he was only there a season as well. Did he deserve time to build his own team?
I'm so sick of all of this fecking nonsense, he doesn't deserve time to build his team, after last season we needed to reload, not rebuild.
I'm so sick of all of this fecking nonsense, he doesn't deserve time to build his team, after last season we needed to reload, not rebuild.
Everyone who says "give him time" doesn't genuinely believe that - they want to be seen saying the right thing. Because if they did genuinely believe it would mean completely ignoring all performances this season.
The more time brigade are generally those who want United to fall and fall...
Exactly. This thing about 'every manager deserves to build his own team before he's judged' is incredibly silly. There are many coaches who don't even have much say in selecting their squad, they just have to get the best out of what they have - and they go on to win championships and european championships. Getting the best out of what you got is a part of being a coach/manager, and if you fail so spectacularly, why should you be allowed to be the one to make big changes?
I wonder if it's a hint he can do OK with a straight forward team, but once you add a little flair to it he doesn't actually know how to set up it and what to do with it.
As for the media, it's the Hodgson-Liverpool love in again.
As annoying as it is I think we need Valencia to come back in to the team. He may be hopelessly unproductive but he opens up space and pushes defensive lines back simply by being there. We need someone to push forward even if 9/10 they do feck all but play a short pass back.
I genuinely believe this now.
It's no longer about which individuals come in and out of the team. It's shit regardless of who plays. In January everyone was saying how good we will be and how many goals we will score when we get Rooney and RvP back in the team and we added Mata but since then it's just been more shit. Even our world class players look poor. The team are bereft of confidence and belief, they lack direction and a game plan. Valencia is unlikely to make one bit of a difference given the way we play.
Bollocks,i genuinely want to see how he does in the summer regarding players out and in and how he will build his own team next season.
So he spends £100m and we're 6th at Christmas playing total wank. Then what do you do? Bring a new man in and give him another £100m to spend without any signs that he can improve a team first?
That's a far more slippery slope than this hire/fire problem people seem so obsessed about.
Oh my... that's him from the last time he managed Everton
No, keep him and hope he sticks to the plan he has in place. He needs to be given TIME.
Exactly, if anyone deserves to build his own team at Manchester United spending 150 million in the process, it has to be David Moyes.
These fecking players aren't even playing for him. The bunch of cnuts. I despise all of them with passion. We owe far more to David Moyes than any of them.
Spoiler that shit man. It's gonna give me nightmares for the rest of the week.
Good suggestion. Seconded. The players can bugger off. In Moyes we trust.
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