Moyes So Far!
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But the only reason I can think of to wait till the end of the season is if Moyes has some kind of non-CL qualification sack clause they're waiting to activate. Otherwise there really is no point to wait, why not give Giggs a go for a couple of months and maybe he can Di Matteo the CL?
Yeah, but the implications of letting Moyes fail for another year here are far greater. It's added motivation to get rid of him.But they gave both Raheem Morris and Schiano two seasons before pulling the plug.
I likened it to North Korea earlier but the DDR May be a better comparison. After all the Korean regime is still going, we are definitely collapsing under Moyes.
I was looking at the table and thinking who would we feel confident of beating if we played them right now and even as low down as Newcastle and Villa had me thinking maybe not. I thought does that mean I think Southampton are a better team than us? fookin Southampton, really?
Well, yep it's a fact, they would twat us right now for a whole host of reasons that have been spouted on here by just about everyone. Lost the dressing room, tactics, confidence, referees, but it all comes down the same point, Moyes is not capable of getting a team at the highest level to perform. He has no idea how to structure a team and no idea how to play against a top side. At Everton, he took average players and taught them how to defend and hit teams on the break, he played 5 in midfield most of the time and had Fellaini and Cahill up front often because he only had two fookin strikers, one of whom was balsa wood man Saha. He plays 4-4-2 against Fulham and draws 2-2 at home against the worst team in the league, even Rene said it's easy to play against United because they're predictable, (81 crosses against a 6'7" centre half) FFS he was even out thought by Mark Hughes.
So, unless the players do it for the club, we will be out tomorrow, which most of us expect, but the pain will come when cITEH give us a twatting next week and if he is still there after that, then I'm done until the cnut goes once and for all. I've supported United since 1975, seen plenty of bad times before Fergie turned it around, so I haven't supported United for the glory, it was always for the style and passion, Docherty, Atkinson, Ferguson, lots of passion, not always fantastic results but we were always on the edge of our seats. So I don't care whether he turns it around or not, he isn't a United manager, he doesn't understand the fans needs, he doesn't have a fookin clue how to play exciting football and he never will.
feck off David is right, Mike Bassett would fill me with more belief.
Rant not over....stay tuned
Well, yep it's a fact, they would twat us right now for a whole host of reasons that have been spouted on here by just about everyone. Lost the dressing room, tactics, confidence, referees, but it all comes down the same point, Moyes is not capable of getting a team at the highest level to perform. He has no idea how to structure a team and no idea how to play against a top side. At Everton, he took average players and taught them how to defend and hit teams on the break, he played 5 in midfield most of the time and had Fellaini and Cahill up front often because he only had two fookin strikers, one of whom was balsa wood man Saha. He plays 4-4-2 against Fulham and draws 2-2 at home against the worst team in the league, even Rene said it's easy to play against United because they're predictable, (81 crosses against a 6'7" centre half) FFS he was even out thought by Mark Hughes.
So, unless the players do it for the club, we will be out tomorrow, which most of us expect, but the pain will come when cITEH give us a twatting next week and if he is still there after that, then I'm done until the cnut goes once and for all. I've supported United since 1975, seen plenty of bad times before Fergie turned it around, so I haven't supported United for the glory, it was always for the style and passion, Docherty, Atkinson, Ferguson, lots of passion, not always fantastic results but we were always on the edge of our seats. So I don't care whether he turns it around or not, he isn't a United manager, he doesn't understand the fans needs, he doesn't have a fookin clue how to play exciting football and he never will.
feck off David is right, Mike Bassett would fill me with more belief.
Rant not over....stay tuned
I keep imagining his faced photoshopped onto that Iraqi spokesman, but I can't find it anymore...
Awesome. There are no tanks in Baghdad. As credible as-I have plans.
David Moyes - "Ladies and gentleman, Manchester United will be playing Four-Four-fecking-Two."
Narrator - "Manchester United lose 4-0."
I'm sure he has plans, signing Mata to play as a winger, maybe signing Kroos to play as a false 9 next?
Tanks in the streets behind him, the opposition dominating us, and he'll still claim we're doing well and we just need to keep doing what we are doing...
It's the ref, the wind, the grass - it's society's fault that he's failing badly at his job.
also 3-0 reversal at OT against Barca under Atkinson when we went 2-0 down in first leg. one of the most memorable nights at OT
One can only imagine. Sort of like when Dr Evil is sitting with his gang who all assure him that he has a good plan.
this is feckin absurd
I'd really love to be able to trawl back 1 to 5 years on redcafe. I'd love to find those engrossing posters back who thought O'neill and Moyes would be terrific choices as a manager for Manchester United.
How smug they were when others chose more glorious names. I'd be delighted to destroy them now. Name and shame.
But they gave both Raheem Morris and Schiano two seasons before pulling the plug.
Yes, they did, but both their first seasons weren't bad and you could see a plan, that seemed to be developing. Now this feels much more like their 2nd seasons, when the players revolted and the leakings were just too much.
Why they are waiting? Because getting rid of him isn't that easy. It seems like getting rid of him isn't that easy. After all he was the choice of the whole board, and he still could have some backers in there. The problem is simply the time. If the Piräus match would've been a few weeks later I definitely could see him leave before that. But now they'll simply go with whatever the outcome is and prepare for his release.
We are talking here still about the heir of SAF at a club known to give his managers time. A very tough position and we just have to write this whole season off and hope the next manager quickly gets us back to where SAF left this club.
I know it's RTE but Richie Sadlier was fair spot on here:
People in glasses houses and all that, doll face....
Come on, I posted one 4 years ago, regular as clockwork me
Err I hope you're right. But then again even a scrub on the street knew Schaino was a dickhead halfway into his first season. But instead of sacking him they wasted high draft picks, signed massive money free agents loads of which didn't pan out and basically gave him a free reign. Who's to say they won't do the equivalent at United and hand Moyes the keys to the warchest in the summer before inevitably showing him the door next season. Meanwhile we're financially fecked for the medium term. That's what scares me.
Thanks, had a quick sneak peek and cracked up two posts in when sparky_hughes fired the first warcry for Moyes.
Brilliant, will wine and dine on that thread tomorrow.
Richie asks some pertinent questions those two guys just couldnt answer.
all in all both sides raised some good points but it begs the question where does one draw the line?
all in all both sides raised some good points but it begs the question where does one draw the line?
Johnny Giles comes across as such a moron in that video. Kept harping over the "buy his own players" nonsense again and again. Wanker.
Get his own players in and get the ones he doesn't want out? feck me we'd end up with no squad at this rate. Sadlier was the only one talking sense.
Note the keyword regularity. Ferguson's record of doing this is unmatched anywhere.
Don't tell me I am doing Matt Busby a huge disservice just because I think that Fergie was the best we had at cultivating a never-say-die mentality, what utter nonsense. Busby's legacy is absolutely untouchable.
Because they're talking absolute cak. Its not like Ancelotti built the current Madrid side or Blanc was responsible for builing the current PSG. Dare I say it, Rogers isn't all that responsible for Liverpool either the core of the side was there under Kenny. The idea that you need to be able to build your own side before you are judged is mad. Most managers in the world dont get that luxury. If West Brom or Fulham go down are people gonna say 'oh nevermind Pepe Mel and Felix Magath didn't build their own sides so its ok?' Rubbish. These excuses are being made by Moyes' mates in the media. Did Tony Pulis build the current Palace side? How has he been able to rescue them from sure fire relegation then?
omg....the end of the world must be near on the caf....conspiracy theories abound - journos sacrificing sales in order to let moyes sink down united; another poster telling us that in a year or so we may see the end of the club if evil Dave hangs around, now we ve become north Korea ffs
then you find the same ppl making these claims ridiculing posts on rawk...
As usual!
Can't be judged on the basis of your performance managing the defending champions, deary me.
It's just a matter of time before Moyes is sacked. Either right after we get dumped out by Olympiakos, or the next round if we go through, or in May. There's just no way around it.
Malcolm Glazer is no fool, however much some of us like to think he is. He knows fukkall about football but he knows a bad hand when he sees one and right now he knows he has a bad hand. And that bad hand is David Moyes as manager.
I'm not gleeful at the prospect of the Sack of Moyes but the painful conversation that has to happen just has to get done. It won't bother me if it happens in May, but it has to get done. The sooner the better, but May is not that far away.
Malcolm Glazer is no fool, however much some of us like to think he is. He knows fukkall about football but he knows a bad hand when he sees one and right now he knows he has a bad hand. And that bad hand is David Moyes as manager.
I'm not gleeful at the prospect of the Sack of Moyes but the painful conversation that has to happen just has to get done. It won't bother me if it happens in May, but it has to get done. The sooner the better, but May is not that far away.
It's called gallows humor. Gotta laugh-no?
Its so stupid it beggars belief. Its like saying Barcelona should write off Tata Martino's performance this season because he didn't build the Barcelona squad and only signed Neymar in the summer. Like wtf?
If Fulham go down Magath won't get a free pass cos he didn't build the squad, likewise Mel at West Brom. If Spurs continue to fail Sherwood will get blamed. Why is it every manager on earth can be judged based on squads they mostly inherited besides Moyes? How can Pulis get the best out of Palace players he didn't buy when Moyes can't? The excuses people are willing to make for a man handed a title winning team...bizarre.
or cry ?
a week is a long time in football....
I'd be happy with Moyles right now.
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