Moyes So Far!

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You assume people will still be unhappy with 3rd and hence think they're moaning for no reason with 7th?

I'm not talking about what Sheedy said, Moyes has brought through a mere handful of players in his decade at Everton despite the often quoted limited spending power. Barkley is exactly one of those he didn't give much of a chance to last season.

Well, I read moaning when we were winning the title. Don't think I am out of order with that assumption.

After the class of '92 how many WC players have we produced? How many did Barca academy produce before this wonderful class that ruled football for half a decade? These things are highly cyclical. The main thing if you are willing to give youth a chance, and Moyes has. Barley was also injured for a large part of last season. He had been a part of the Everton first team for a couple of seasons before this term.
 
May be you are right. I am really lost for answers at this point.

You second paragraph is my biggest fear. Like Eyepopper mentioned in his post above, this season is a write off and it is paramount that we start building momentum for next season. It looks like the players are very low on confidence at this moment. Nothing make you doubt yourself more than defeat, and we have had plenty of that this season. The guys who are here will need to start believing that they are good enough, and they are good enough.

All I am saying is, inspite of everything and my best judgement, I hope he is the man to do it. Though the chances of that happening are very bleak at the moment. :(

Maybe watching it closely for the attending fans, with all emotional involved, make it harder to see how the team performed in general. It's like a mother who's more forgiven to her boy's flaw than, let's say, the boy's uncle (who's still pretty close emotionally, but not as strong). I'd like to think that Uncle as us, armchair fans.

In my personal opinion, my tipping point is that Newcastle game. It's already half season, and I didn't see any resemblance of top team in us. Even the basic thing like good passing (which has been ingrained in those players for years) wasn't there. We played like midtable team with even less creativity and flair, bar individuals. As much as I love to have Fergie proven right with his appointment, I thought that's it, Moyes just isn't for us. With his age and experience (in Premier League, nonetheless), he should hit the ground running.

So, I thought that what I saw at that Newcastle game, there won't be massive improvement from that. The team might perform better with better players, obviously. But he's not a genius manager, where United need to have to compete with sugar daddy's and other better teams.
 
Well, I read moaning when we were winning the title. Don't think I am out of order with that assumption.

After the class of '92 how many WC players have we produced? How many did Barca academy produce before this wonderful class that ruled football for half a decade? These things are highly cyclical. The main thing if you are willing to give youth a chance, and Moyes has. Barley was also injured for a large part of last season. He had been a part of the Everton first team for a couple of seasons before this term.

You talk as if he's the only manager to give youth a chance, Mourinho has handed debuts to plenty of players at Inter and Real.
 
Well, I read moaning when we were winning the title. Don't think I am out of order with that assumption.

After the class of '92 how many WC players have we produced? How many did Barca academy produce before this wonderful class that ruled football for half a decade? These things are highly cyclical. The main thing if you are willing to give youth a chance, and Moyes has. Barley was also injured for a large part of last season. He had been a part of the Everton first team for a couple of seasons before this term.

Spot on. The mantra at Old Trafford has always been 'If you're good enough then you're old enough'. Both Moyes and Fergie have shown that they will trust youngsters if they're ready. People are now going on as if Fergie turned every youngster into a top player, which isn't the case.
 
just get him out. I can't stand his pressers anymore. He talks like he knows everything about United and everything will be great. Everything was great before he came in. Just do what's right and resign after Wednesday.
 
Maybe watching it closely for the attending fans, with all emotional involved, make it harder to see how the team performed in general. It's like a mother who's more forgiven to her boy's flaw than, let's say, the boy's uncle (who's still pretty close emotionally, but not as strong). I'd like to think that Uncle as us, armchair fans.

Yeah right. It's 10x worse watching these games at the stadium and, as you said, there's miles more emotion involved. That includes anger and disappointment at our performances.
 
Ben Smith: This time last season, David Moyes' Everton had 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals & conceded 35. This season, David Moyes' Manchester United side have 48pts from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 34

The funny thing is, the stat had the same correlation two months ago. He's determined to follow the Everton curve slavishly.
 
Are you angry with Moyes or that we didn't appoint Jose?
Both, we could/should have got the best manager in the world managing us with Sir Alex retired, yet instead we appointed inept, underqualified David Moyes. :mad:
 
Ben Smith: This time last season, David Moyes' Everton had 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals & conceded 35. This season, David Moyes' Manchester United side have 48pts from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 34

The funny thing is, the stat had the same correlation two months ago. He's determined to follow the Everton curve slavishly.
End of last season, Everton lost their manager, hopefully United do the same this season. :drool:
 
Benitez is multiple times the manager Moyes is.
i want Moyes to go but this isn't right. Moyes got his team to perform as well as Benitez's Liverpool and sometimes better given their relative budgets. And Benitez also flopped spectacularly at Inter and didn't get a proper job for years. So he isn't multiple times the manager Moyes.

He has a much better record and pedigree though to manage a big club.
 
Both, we could/should have got the best manager in the world managing us with Sir Alex retired, yet instead we appointed inept, underqualified David Moyes. :mad:

I apologize on the club's behalf. :D

Under-qualification is a poor excuse. Calling him inept is wrong. He hasn't been able to make the step up so far, I would give you that.
 
Ben Smith: This time last season, David Moyes' Everton had 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals & conceded 35. This season, David Moyes' Manchester United side have 48pts from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 34

The funny thing is, the stat had the same correlation two months ago. He's determined to follow the Everton curve slavishly.

That also used to involve finishing above Liverpool. :(
 
Ben Smith: This time last season, David Moyes' Everton had 48 points from 29 games, having scored 46 goals & conceded 35. This season, David Moyes' Manchester United side have 48pts from 29 games, having scored 46 goals and conceded 34

The funny thing is, the stat had the same correlation two months ago. He's determined to follow the Everton curve slavishly.
Beating them on goal difference, get in.

Seriously though, that's bizarre.
 
I apologize on the club's behalf. :D

Under-qualification is a poor excuse. Calling him inept is wrong. He hasn't been able to make the step up so far, I would give you that.

He is underqualified and he has been inept this season. :mad:
 
I am wrestling with a small conundrum.

Would I take Moyes getting sacked in return for you rescuing a draw against man city?

I'm torn here....

You're not winning the league so it doesn't matter.

P.S. Stop voting in Moyes
That's kind of the problem. They have so little knowledge in football they may well just go with the what the 2.5 football men we do have as directors say. It used to be our biggest strength, now it's our biggest weakness. Funny as it may sound, we could have done with the Abramovich touch here. Oh dear. :wenger:

It's shocking isn't it. I wish we could have Gill back. He seemed to be reasonable and knew a thing or two about football.
 
i want Moyes to go but this isn't right. Moyes got his team to perform as well as Benitez's Liverpool and sometimes better given their relative budgets. And Benitez also flopped spectacularly at Inter and didn't get a proper job for years. So he isn't multiple times the manager Moyes.

He has a much better record and pedigree though to manage a big club.

Benitez won CL with Liverpool, EL with Valencia and Chelsea and has generally been a good manager at club level. He got Liverpool challenging for the league too and built what was probably the best Liverpool side of the last two decades.

He's seriously miles better than Moyes.
 
I'm actually convinced the only reason he is here is because the club and SAF have backed themselves into a corner about "giving managers time". SAF especially has gone on and on about it over the years.

It maybe stupid but I think the club don't want to come across as hypocrites.

And they said this in the arrogant knowledge that United couldn't possibly end up where they are.

This really is a kick up the arse to all of the self-indulgence at Old Trafford and it's about time.
 
He's smug, isn't he? Always diverting the blame from him, pointing at players and talking how secure he is and how he has a long term vision.
 
It is incredible, we're approaching near universal disdain for Moyes yet he continually appears to be under absolutely no pressure to deliver.
 
He's simply out of his depth. He was never right for the role. Quicker the Glazers realise that, the better.

I'd say that even the Glazers, who have literally no idea about football, are aware that he's out of his depth. All it's going to take is SAF to make the call, and they'll have him gone in an instant. There will probably be no discussion.
 
Glazer's window of opportunity spells danger for David Moyes
At the end of the day, every year we feel we owe it to this football team and this community to do a good honest assessment of our franchise. If at any point, we feel that change is in our best interest, we feel we have to make that change. You can’t let decisions you made a year ago affect a decision today.”
Joel Glazer said that after firing Jon Gruden as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Gruden had previously masterminded the only Super Bowl triumph in the Bucs’ existence, the youngest coach ever to win American football’s glittering prize.
The Glazers had awarded him a three-year contract extension but sacked him only 12 months later after a winning 9-7 season when the team just missed the play-offs. They have hired and fired two more head coaches in the four years since.
The point is to remind us that just because Manchester United stood for so long by Sir Alex Ferguson, and constantly cite stability, and gave David Moyes a six-year contract, nothing should blind us to the willingness of the Glazers to pull the trigger on a coach when they have lost the faith. Different continents, different sports but that mantra from Joel Glazer remains the same on both sides of the Pond. They seemed sure about Moyes 12 months ago but entrust him now with a £150 million rebuild? The Scotsman does not have a Superbowl to put on the table.
Of course the Glazers are twitching, having sat with all the club’s biggest sponsors at Old Trafford on Sunday and watched a failing team taken apart, bereft of confidence.
Twelve months ago, they were persuaded that Moyes represented the United way for the rest of the decade. To them, and pretty much everyone else, it seemed that the worst that could happen was a slump to fourth. How naive such assumptions look now.
That worried look on the face of Ed Woodward, the vice-chairman, when the cameras cut to him on Sunday afternoon did not just reflect his alarm at the spanking being administered by Liverpool. It surely told of a deeper worry that if this is not working, if United lose to Olympiacos tomorrow, if the fans turn nasty, if the Glazers cut Moyes adrift, what the hell does he do next?
He can hope that Moyes can turn things around, but it would be negligent if Woodward was not weighing up his next move and the list of potential successors. Sadly for him, that process is not a rest from the daily headaches. Last time United went through these discussions, they were so relaxed they could turn up their nose at José Mourinho out of pure idealism. They did not want him, and they could not lure Pep Guardiola. Carlo Ancelotti, the only other coach still in club football with two Champions League wins, might have been available but he also had the option of Real Madrid. Now all three are happily, and successfully, employed elsewhere. United were so sure of Moyes that they did not bother with a job interview. Mourinho once presented a PowerPoint display of his strategy to Roman Abramovich. Brendan Rodgers gave the Liverpool owners a 180-page dossier on his methods, his vision.
Ferguson rang Moyes on May 2, summoned him from a shopping trip with his wife (he was replacing a watch strap, if you must know) and told an astonished Glaswegian that he was the new United manager.
“He took me in, took me up the stairs, made me a cup of tea and came out with it,” Moyes said. “It’s a moment I’ll never forget.”
We might imagine that, whenever it starts, the search for the next United manager will involve rather more formality.
It will be a longer, tougher search, of necessity given that the big three seem out of reach. And while Ryan Giggs is the obvious interim if Moyes was to depart sooner rather than later, United do not need a rookie. There are few genuine contenders from within the Premier League. Rodgers? Liverpool should be tying him into the sort of deal that once ensured that Chelsea had to pay €15 million (now about £12.5 million) for André Villas-Boas.
Roberto Martínez? It is not hard imagining him heading up a Champions League club one day, but would United return to Everton so soon after Moyes?
Looking abroad, Jürgen Klopp’s work with Borussia Dortmund has shown a clear, aggressive identity plus strong powers of motivation. Yet if Mourinho was too much trouble, what do United make of a coach who was sent off for the eighth time at the weekend?
Diego Simeone’s star is soaring at Atlético Madrid but after seven changes of job in nine years, could United be sure he can oversee such a huge rebuild?
Joachim Löw has signed a contract extension with Germany until 2016. Louis van Gaal falls out with everybody. Antonio Conte? Frank de Boer? Luciano Spalletti? The up and coming Vincenzo Montella at Fiorentina? The more names they consider, the more confused they might get.
And we are getting ahead of ourselves even thinking about candidates when United should first be working out a structure. Are we talking a coach or a manager? Would United embrace a director of football?
With so much to resolve, the truth is that any move would feel precarious. The certainties have all gone at Old Trafford, where the champions are heading to their worst finishing position for 24 years. Anything the Glazers do comes with risk and they cannot even be sure who to rely on. Could they trust Ferguson’s input again?
If the experiences of the Bucs show that the Glazers are not scared of sacking coaches, events in Florida also highlight a poor track record in finding replacements. Only last December after the Glazers had ousted the coach and general manager of the Bucs , an article in the Tampa Bay Times began with the plaintive question: “Can we fire the owners, too?”
Tom Jones, a columnist, wrote: “If you want to get to the heart of why the Bucs have turned into a swamp of little hope, start with the Glazers. This is now two straight coaching hires they’ve completely bungled.” So the good news for those United fans who have given up on Moyes is that the Glazers will not be afraid to sack him if it gets much worse. The bad news is that they will probably botch the transition.
Reassuring, it ain’t.
Not sure if it's being posted but The Times raise some interesting questions. Who would we go for should Moyes be sacked?
 
Maybe this is why one of them Glazer boys was at the Liverpool game. To make a final judgement on Moyes. Just hoping he comes to the same conclusion as 90 % of United fans. :nervous:
 
It's shocking isn't it. I wish we could have Gill back. He seemed to be reasonable and knew a thing or two about football.
I was thinking this myself earlier. Even aside from all the transfer mishaps in the summer that made us miss him, he'd have been an invaluable bit of experience to have around and probably wouldn't have any problem in seeing the results for what they are. The thought of Woodward being in charge of our next manager hunt has made me somewhat queasy.
 
Jose has said he was only interested in the Chelsea job. Should we have hijacked him?

Jose said that AFTER United gave the job to Moyes, what do you expect him to say?

"I really wanted the United job, but they turned me down so I'll make do with Chelsea."? :lol:
 
He's smug, isn't he? Always diverting the blame from him, pointing at players and talking how secure he is and how he has a long term vision.

This grates at me as well, Moyes and his shit-eating grin talking about the signings he'll bring in the summer and how his 'vision' will bring in success. Its sickening how untouchable he seems to be for whatever reason, its like no one within the club has noticed we're sitting in 7th place. He could accidentally level all of greater Manchester in a freak nuke accident and his job would still be safe, it boggles the mind.
 
I was thinking this myself earlier. Even aside from all the transfer mishaps in the summer that made us miss him, he'd have been an invaluable bit of experience to have around and probably wouldn't have any problem in seeing the results for what they are. The thought of Woodward being in charge of our next manager hunt has made me somewhat queasy.

Woodward has been quoted to be a huge Jurgen Klopp fan.
 
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