I meant that things got pretty ugly at Stamford Bridge when Rafa started there. Just taking a wild guess that the United brass want to see if getting rid of Moyes would create a similar uproar.
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We should be doing that today to maximise our chances of the CL, like it or not, the City match doesn't really matter that much to us, except to try to help Jose win the title.
That made me chuckle, I think I posted the exact same sentiments on some other thread, but also added a third possible team, Villa!
The worrying thing is that those three teams would probably not want him right now! Yet we've got him at the biggest bloody club in the country!
That's because they got rid of a popular guy who won them the CL and replaced him with someone they hate.
I'd guess if we appointed Dalglish to replace Moyes there'd be similar scenes, but if we get rid of an unpopular manager and replace him with a living legend like Giggs on an interim basis, it'll go down very well.
In fact, this is a great chance for the Glazers to gain some popularity, if they care at all.
Christ, the options one can have
I'd side with Moyes I think. Cant stand Rafa even though I'm sure he'd do a better job than Moyes.
Right-agree. Considering Moyes gets support at OT and from traveling fans at away games, I'm suggesting that United are sending out signals that Moyes is on thin ice to see if there would be ugly scenes at OT after Moyes is sacked. I think the answer will be that sacking Moyes will not lead to a fan revolt at OT-despite the support gets at OT.
I would be sad when he gets the sack, for different reasons though.
Before Moyes, Sir Alex was the only one I had seen United under. He was as much a part of the institution as he was the institution. I was sad he announced his retirement and was sadder when he gave his final speech last May. Though it never really truly sunk it until the Liverpool defeat last Sunday.
I was excited with the Moyes appointment and was kind of relieved that instead of some fancy name, who is going to be here for a few years and then disappear, the club has opted for long term stability. May be we won't have immediate success, which I can take unlike some others, but we are getting a man who is going to keep the values and the traditions of the club intact. I thought Moyes had the pedigree as well, keeping a club with a very limited budget pulling way above its weight for so long. Lack trophies was a blot on his resume but never thought it would be a gap too far to bridge at a club like United.
Moyes' term has been nothing short of the disappointing so far. The team has lost it's edge and our players play like scared puppies these days. Every glimmer of hope has been put out with inept performances the following week. We have bottled each and every pressure game that we have played this season. It has been unbelievable. Everything bad that we could have imagined in our worst nightmares has already happened this season.
Sacking him will bring the same kind of instability that I had always feared post Sir Alex. Are we going to go in a cycle to hiring and firing managers based on the need for instant gratification? Is short-termism going to be part of the club's agenda from here on like at Chelsea, City or Real? Are we going to try and throw money at the club's problems like those other clubs (Because the Fellaini and Mata signings reek of that, independent to their individual talent. Making statements rather than signings to improve the team). Is United going to become another circus like City or Chelsea, where loyalty, class and such are not words found easily in the dictionary?
May be that is why I still maintain some hope that he turns it around, despite my best judgement.
If the club think sacking Moyes would lead to any kind of revolt, they must be monstrously out of touch!
Only replacing Moyes with Benitez would be a sillier idea.
Only replacing Moyes with Benitez would be a sillier idea.
They don't.
I think everyone accepts that this season is all but done for us now. At the risk of sounding like Liverpool, we need to start building momentum for next year. Actually take a leaf from Liverpools book, look how they performed in the second half of last season and the impact it has had for them this year.
That's what we need to start doing now regardless of manager. If we go out tomorrow night, and then get a pasting by City - while it realsitically wont change much about the season - it will plunge the mood of supporters to a new low.
I'll be sorry to see him go, I've defended him over and over and said he needs time, and I thought full well the board would give it to him, but sometimes there is just no turning back and its very much starting to look like that.
That would be a terrible terrible idea. God help us if were to ever happen.
I think we've been remarkably patient so far. I think there's a case to be made that trying to be too unlike the Chelsea's of the world in their dealings with managers isn't the way to go about it - they got rid of managers that had won titles and european cups with them. We're coming 7th and got humbled by Olympiacos a couple of weeks back whilst playing atrociously. It's not comparable.
I fear more for the instability now if Moyes stays - players won't want to stay, we might not be able to bring in top quality to replace them, champions league may be out of reach for the near future, etc. If we're talking risk versus reward, there's much more to be said for stability in changing the manager at this point, from my view on it anyway.
I'll offer GBP1,000 to anyone to burn that banner at OT before the game tomorrow.
Hopefully he'll be gone before the city match. If we actually by some miracle play well and win it won't achieve anything other than prolonging Moyes's stay and helping Liverpool win the league. I'd snap your hand off for a loss against City and Moyes out of this club.
Long term mediocrity is the word you're looking for. Do you think we'd all be calling for his head if we were 3rd in the table? That's what lack of immediate success for United, not languishing just above Southampton.
Also, what are those values? Does Moyes actually have that good a record bringing through youth team players?
Benitez is multiple times the manager Moyes is.
The turd is swirling in the bowl.
I'm actually convinced the only reason he is here is because the club and SAF have backed themselves into a corner about "giving managers time". SAF especially has gone on and on about it over the years.
It maybe stupid but I think the club don't want to come across as hypocrites.
Better idea than letting Moyes spend 100m+ and take us to 6th next season and call it improvement.
Papers are reporting he still "has the backing of OT" by the looks and sounds of how the fans sung on Sunday. Was it not more of a case of softening the blow and harden up in front of the away fans and anyone else watching the shambles we've turned into?
May be you are right. I am really lost for answers at this point.
You second paragraph is my biggest fear. Like Eyepopper mentioned in his post above, this season is a write off and it is paramount that we start building momentum for next season. It looks like the players are very low on confidence at this moment. Nothing make you doubt yourself more than defeat, and we have had plenty of that this season. The guys who are here will need to start believing that they are good enough, and they are good enough.
All I am saying is, inspite of everything and my best judgement, I hope he is the man to do it. Though the chances of that happening are very bleak at the moment.
And since we're all being pessimistic - you'd have to bet against us when we play Southampton and Everton away, and perhaps Newcastle (depending on which Newcastle turns up). Even with our straight forward final four home games, if you look at Southampton's fixtures, you wouldn't bet against them overtaking us, given we're only three points ahead. 8th place is a very real possibility.
Laurent Blanc: "Sacking Moyes wouldn't be a mistake, keeping him would. Here in France he would have been sacked 3 times" #MUFC
I think you are right in that they are sending out signals but I also worry about the number of journalists who have said that the Board are taking comfort from the fantastic atmosphere on Sunday. Are they mistaking it for support for Moyes? Surely they must be aware by now of the cacophony of criticism on social media yesterday, all the polls saying he must go, all the negative articles in the press.
I see that someone on Twitter has got a campaign going for everyone to chant 'sack, sack, sack' if we play badly tomorrow just as they used to chant 'kill, kill, kill' in the Colosseum!
True. That's what we're going to do though and 3-4 years down the line when we are still 7th and making it hard for Stoke we will regret it.
Its obvious to everyone bar the ones who have this weird notion about the United way being about not sacking useless managers.
It's incredibly difficult to understand why he's not gone yet. Not a single top club in the world would even contemplate keeping him in our current position.
Why couldn't Blanc simply refuse to comment on Moyes' troubles? Poor stuff from a fellow professional...
Not a single person who follows or is in football would be surprised if we sacked Moyes, we are long past worrying about looking hypocritical. We can't wager the future of our club on being a bit red-faced on that particular issue, being 7th and looking like we deserve to be is what we should be worried about.
No, that is not the word I was looking for. I wouldn't have been surprised if people here would have still called for his head. There are some who are only here to spread negativity and there are others who love a moan. But let's leave that, it's a discussion for another thread and another time.
Bringing up young players, taking punts on young players instead of always going for superstars, keeping a very good English core, not always spending our way out of trouble...etc. etc. I am sure you don't need a full tutorial and have been a fan for a few years.
Moyes record at brining youth team players? If we are talking about what Kevin Sheedy said, then I take the words of people who love to kick someone when he is down with a pinch of salt. Craving for 2 minutes of media attention comes across as needy and desperate. Where was he for all these years? He has been a Everton academy coach since '06, why didn't he bring it up before? Why is he still in the job? why not go to another club where the manager was more receptible to youth?
I don't claim to be an expert on Everton's youth academy products, from the ones I know Rooney, Rodwell, Barkley are some of the players that Moyes gave a chance in the first team. He came here and Januzaj is now one of the first names on our team sheet.
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I'd question the veracity of the quote.
It sounds suspiciously similar to what Gianluca Vialli said in February, which was that 'David Moyes would have been "sacked three times" if he was managing in Serie A'.
Vialli's quote was reported by the BBC, which would indicate it was accuare. The only links I can find to "Blanc's" are loads of dodgy Facebook and Twitter accounts.
It's possible someone has made a mistake in attributing it to Blanc, or is even just deliberately shit stirring.
Isn't this the same quote with France instead of Italy that came out from someone last month? I haven't seen it from a reputable source.
What? Why? Why can't blanc give his opinion on the matter? Why can't managers speak about " fellow professionals"? Sir Alex frequently called out clubs sacking their managers so why can't anyone hold and express an opposite opinion?
Also, I would see your point if it was a close call, but the Moyes stint at United has been a complete farce and is a very extreme case.
Frankly, I think it's good for people to come out with an honest assessment of our manager. It's certainly better than everyone sugar coating this joke situation by talking in circles and generally being overly protective of him. It's not even a case of me wanting people to kick him while he's down. I just think open and free expression of unbiased opinions is good and healthy, whether it's praise or criticism.
I do feel sorry for him after seeing those gifs of him yelling at Wayne but, getting nothing back. That is the one player that should be definitively on his side but, didn't seem to care to listen.
Surely a lot of Moyes own doing in losing the players but, to me that's a clear indication as to why we can't seem to get performances on the field regardless of what is happening in training. Players need to take the blame as well, regardless of not wanting to play for him or not, they need to be playing for the shirt and listening to the manager on the field during the game has to happen. Well and good if the tactics are miserable and we can't break teams down but, it should never be the case that it's a lack of effort on their part.
Moyes needs to go sooner than later IMO because I just don't see him winning a lot of these players back even with their public backing of him.
Surely a lot of Moyes own doing in losing the players but, to me that's a clear indication as to why we can't seem to get performances on the field regardless of what is happening in training. Players need to take the blame as well, regardless of not wanting to play for him or not, they need to be playing for the shirt and listening to the manager on the field during the game has to happen. Well and good if the tactics are miserable and we can't break teams down but, it should never be the case that it's a lack of effort on their part.
Moyes needs to go sooner than later IMO because I just don't see him winning a lot of these players back even with their public backing of him.
Ouch.. time for the asbestos underpants Moyesie....
I have to admit, the more bashing he gets the more I dream of us winning about 6-0 tomorrow night and hammering City... dreams is all I have left
Honestly it's nice to have a bit of reality from former players than the usual "he needs time" crap.
You assume people will still be unhappy with 3rd and hence think they're moaning for no reason with 7th?
I'm not talking about what Sheedy said, Moyes has brought through a mere handful of players in his decade at Everton despite the often quoted limited spending power. Barkley is exactly one of those he didn't give much of a chance to last season.
But the quote is possibly (probably?) fabricated, and so not 'reality' at all.
Hmm now that I think about it, it does sound a lot like Vialli's quote reattributed to Blanc.
How dare Laurent Blanc come out with made-up quotes.
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