To me this seems basically the only reason anyone wants him to stay, so they can do a big "I told you so" to the ones who want him gone, it baffles me really.
Moyes So Far!
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It's not really an 'I told you so!'. It's more like a feeling that certain sections of the support, and some of the footballing media, never gave him a fair crack of the whip from day one. With the benefit of hindsight, you might argue they were right to be sceptical. But when someone is being constantly kicked like that, the reflex response for some us is to jump to their defence and hope they prove their detractors wrong. As I said, part of it is just an appreciation for the underdog.
The media have been exceptionally good to him up until now. It was always the players, the squad etc wasn't good enough, he needs time and money and he needs to get rid of some of the players. Look at the flack AVB got for example. Moyes has got nothing near that despite his team being worse throughout the season.
The media have been sucking his balls so far.
The majority of people on here, and in the press, gave Moyes a fair chance and haven't called for his sacking until very recently. It's past the point of no return though, we shouldn't be this terrible and no amount of time and money given to him will fix it.
That really is going to be looked back upon as a textbook example of hubris from us.
That really is going to be looked back upon as a textbook example of hubris from us.
"even harder to resist?" Are you having a laugh? He's teetering on the brink now, he won't get another full year if we're dabbling around in 7th!
At the end of the day, we want to win, we want to be successful, we don't really mind who it's under. If it's under Moyes than excellent, but nothing this year has given that hope.
We spent half a year bemoaning bad luck, injuries etc. Now we have the full squad out, and we're losing loads of games! Look at our 2014 record! F'ck me!
You'll notice I said some of the football media. To avoid any confusion, i'll just say who I mean: Football365, and Matt Stanger and John Nicholson inparticular.
People might not consider them a proper part of the 'footballing media' (although they're not minnows either), but they were both sticking the boot into Moyes before a ball had even been kicked in anger, and as a group have seemed to delight in mocking him in general.
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He'll be gone after the City game if we lose our next 2 matches I'd say.
I said that a few days ago, I really am struggling to see how anyone can back Moyes, it's beyond baffling.
Hey, i'm trying to sound diplomatic. I'll never relish calling for a man to lose his job, if it's all the same you to.
Going out tomorrow, not winning against West Ham, and a similar performance to the Liverpool one, and he'll do marvellously to stay.
However, I think he'll do enough, go through tomorrow, beat West Ham, and scrape a draw against City.
I wonder if some of these leaks are United sending out trial balloons to see if there's any objection to Moyes getting sacked. With all of these rumors flying around-there doesn't seem to be much angst about Moyes being up for the sack-especially if Olympiakos and City games go badly.
It's football mate. It's not the difference between him being able to feed his family and not.
He's probably on £5m a year! And will walk into a job on a million or 2 in a few months
He'll be alright!!
Objection? From who? The press? Fans?
The press have definitely started to turn now. They'd gone very easy for the first 6months, but into 2014 there's a sense of disbelief even from them now.
A huge team in such straights is almost unprecedented in recent memory. Chelsea came 5th a few years back, but could you imagine Arsenal, City, Chelsea in 7th and staying with the same manager?
ps no I'm not counting Liverpool and Hodgson, different scenario
Yeah, he'll be well off financially. Still going to sting a bit emotionally and psychologically though, to essentially be told that you're not good enough and that you've failed in front of tens of millions of people. He'll still have feelings and professional pride, regardless of the size of his bank balance.
I honestly think it'd do him good to be put out of his misery.
Some of the interviews have been really unnerving. He comes out with that nervous smile you do when you're bathed in stress. Not good to see at all.
And think Hodgson. Similar nice chap, well thought out, out of his league at Pool.
Roll on, back in the Premier league, then managing England!
So we shouldn't ask for him to be sacked in case we hurt his feelings? If he's that sensitive then it just proves he wasn't the man for the role.
Tomorrow - We have to win by three clear goals, if they score, which lets be honest is more than likely as they will play fast counter attack football, then we have to score 4. We've scored 18 goals at home in the league all season.
West Ham - Never an easy game, on good form at Home, I think they've won their last 3 or 4 games at home.
Man City - Will tear us a new one. They are fantastic when they smell blood, they will attack our weakest areas across the pitch as the know we offer very little going forward.
That's the nature of football. I'm sure people would kill for an opportunity of a job on millions for a year even if they would cock it up. He shouldn't be at United if he hasn't got the balls.
I don't think anyone's positivity can combat that.
No, I was just saying I won't personally relish it in the way some others will. It's no secret that some on here will crack open the proverbial champagne when or if he gets his p45, and even want to see us lose to hasten that.
I might buy a bottle to celebrate, when that happens.
I actually am believe it or notYou're an upbeat chap aren't you
I think the euphoria will be due to the fact that the club can move on from this debacle as opposed to rejoicing in a man losing his job with all intended schadenfreude.
And yes, I'll crack open a bottle or two myself, but at the same time I'll wish Moyes the best for the future.
That's kind of the problem. They have so little knowledge in football they may well just go with the what the 2.5 football men we do have as directors say. It used to be our biggest strength, now it's our biggest weakness. Funny as it may sound, we could have done with the Abramovich touch here. Oh dear.
Custis a few weeks ago was blaming the squad and saying that following Ferguson was like being a substitute teacher and it wasn't Moyes' fault, now he's saying it's inevitable he'll be gone if we go out on Wednesday. Ogden has been hinting for a few weeks that Moyes' backing in the boardroom isn't what it was and it isn't certain he'll be in charge next season if things carry on this way. Delaney has written an article today saying the board are contemplating his position, which was inconceivable a few months ago, and Mitten has also hinted at support dwindling for Moyes in the board room. It does seem the message in the media is beginning to change, and I can't help think they're starting to be briefed from somewhere, the media cogs seem to be turning. I think he might be sacked if we go out tomorrow, I'm not saying I think it's the right decision, but it does seem like his position isn't quite as secure as many of us believed it would be, I thought he'd get 18 months regardless. This is all very strange, when Ferguson went, yes I was devastated but I was also quite excited, this time I'm extremely anxious, whether we stick with Moyes or go with someone else, we have got to get this decision right, next season is absolutely huge for us, we must finish top four.
Maybe the fans-as sacking Moyes so quickly could be construed by some as not the "United way." Maybe United don't want Rafa at Chelsea scenes. Then again, I could be completely wrong. Just putting an idea out there.
I genuinely feel it was harsh of Sir Alex to give Moyes the job. Maybe Sir Alex is one of those people who simply doesn't realise his own impact, either on players or the game of football itself? Still, Sir Alex must have known that the man to follow him would have to have iron clad self-belief. Sir Alex Ferguson is one of the biggest personalities in the history of football, you don't step into his shoes unless you have a confidence in yourself that borders on blind arrogance. Moyes does not have that.
From day one Moyes has been making excuses, he's looked scared. Moyes' negativity, the way he looks and speaks in press conferences....He just seems like its all too big for him. The enormity of Man Utd would swallow up the bulk of managers out there, you put that together with taking on the squad Sir Alex led to an 11 point title win and I can see why Moyes looks mentally battered. I said before Moyes got the job that I felt only Mourinho had the ego to hit the ground running post-Fergie. I still think that. Mourinho is up himself but, frankly, you gotta be up yourself to step into Sir Alex's shoes. Moyes isn't that. Moyes doesn't swagger he shuffles. He was never gonna be ready for this. It wasn't fair to put it on him.
Yes-he'll have to live with spectacularly failing in public. My guess is that he'll rationalize-convince himself that he wasn't given enough time and that the players were out to get him. We all live with failures-he'll be fine.
Some club like Stoke or Sunderland will snap him up, and he'll make them "hard to beat".
I'd say he will be in a job within 2 months.
He'll get a decent job quickly. But he might do well by having a breather.
and probably do better with his new job.
Less pressure, less expectations and he will thrive.
Do a poll and I'm pretty sure the majority will prefer to have Benitez than Moyes as our manager next season if those are the only 2 choices.
I'd be shocked if that's the case.
Yep-Moyes embodies the Peter Principle: he was promoted to the level of his incompetence. He's fine for a mid-table team where the only expectation is to avoid relegation. Nothing to be ashamed of-just not right for the big time.
Thinking about it, I'm not sure there's much logic to waiting till after the City game if his head's on the chopping block. We don't want to get beaten in a derby, particularly at home, but we're more or less resigned to it. More sense in making the change after tomorrow's match if we don't go through, and hope that it has a positive effect on the team's confidence going into next tuesday.
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