It's true that removing Moyes would probably in itself provide the psychological boost necessary for an improvement. His very presence is a big problem.
Moyes So Far!
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I personally reckon that, for a combination of reasons, Chelsea are already the most desireable team in the league for players. They can compete with anyone financially, have a recent history of great individual players, have had recent success, are based in what is considered by many young and rich as the most desirable part of the country, and have a manager that most would want to play for.
They are the last club in the league I'd want to go head to head with for a player.
This really is the biggest factor, can even the Moyes apologist honestly say they'd rather play for Moyes than Mourinho if they were top players?
The Glazers, from what I understand, struggled to get things right regarding the manager for their American football team. I therefore can understand their desire to rely on Ferguson's expertise and I do worry Alexander will be persuasive enough for his decision to be most important, for this reason I do hope he also is of the opinion (despite what he says in public) that Moyes must go.
You see, unlike Tampa Bay, Manchester United Football Club is probably one of, if not, the best job in football management. There is plenty of money available, perhaps not as much as some clubs but enough and the manager has time to build and drill his own dream team. The board are evidently patient and even unlike City where trophies are imperative, at United providing the manager consistently delivers top four and qualifies from of the champions league group stage then his job will be safe. There is no pressure for short term success therefore the job would be of interest to just about any manager.
Mourinho won't want it now because of his pride however he will not get the chance at any other club to build his own vision of perfect football into a team, a vision that would take 5 or 6 seasons before that team is considered one of the greatest of all time however he won't have time to do this at Chelsea unless he wins consistently but to focus on winning is not to focus on building a truly great team. He will try to do it and win at the same time but I doubt his team will be considered one of the greatest of all time, to do this he would have to abandon all thought of winning trophies for a while with how competitive the premier league is, however Abromovich probably won't let him.
It's simple, allow managers to apply for the vacant post and let's see who applies. Also, keep all applicants confidential and the board should take the manager they think would be the best for the club.
Moyes had the chance of a lifetime and all he needed to do was get around 75 points and his job would be safe even if top four wasn't achieved. He is projected 63 points so he has just blown it. If he gets that many points then I cannot see how anybody could justify keeping him on.
You see, unlike Tampa Bay, Manchester United Football Club is probably one of, if not, the best job in football management. There is plenty of money available, perhaps not as much as some clubs but enough and the manager has time to build and drill his own dream team. The board are evidently patient and even unlike City where trophies are imperative, at United providing the manager consistently delivers top four and qualifies from of the champions league group stage then his job will be safe. There is no pressure for short term success therefore the job would be of interest to just about any manager.
Mourinho won't want it now because of his pride however he will not get the chance at any other club to build his own vision of perfect football into a team, a vision that would take 5 or 6 seasons before that team is considered one of the greatest of all time however he won't have time to do this at Chelsea unless he wins consistently but to focus on winning is not to focus on building a truly great team. He will try to do it and win at the same time but I doubt his team will be considered one of the greatest of all time, to do this he would have to abandon all thought of winning trophies for a while with how competitive the premier league is, however Abromovich probably won't let him.
It's simple, allow managers to apply for the vacant post and let's see who applies. Also, keep all applicants confidential and the board should take the manager they think would be the best for the club.
Moyes had the chance of a lifetime and all he needed to do was get around 75 points and his job would be safe even if top four wasn't achieved. He is projected 63 points so he has just blown it. If he gets that many points then I cannot see how anybody could justify keeping him on.
Not going to happen
Not going to happen
I know, I live and hope, perhaps Moyes will get kidnapped by aliens or something.
Just saw the training session on Sky, everything looks rosy, all smiles and laughs. I still believe that his job is as secure as anyone.
On the other hand, it is hard to imagine that our whole board is as clueless on football matters as them. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation between SAF and the Glazers. There must be other people at the club who can advice them as well. As long as a proper hiring process is followed as opposed to a manager being anointed and a few people get to have an input on the process, we will end up with someone more qualified than DM.
Oh well, there's nothing we can do...
The Press Conference no doubt will be full of the same old bullshit.Oh well, there's nothing we can do...
We must make it hard for Olympiakos, try to put any chances, blah blah...
I think the press can smell blood. The tough questions are about to start. I expect a very defensive Moyes. That dourness is finally about to come in handy
Its all staged. The team knows the cameras are there. Its like watching those parades in North Korea where people are shown crying in joy at the sight Kim Jong-Un. Its all faked to convince the public that behind the scenes everyone is happy. If the squad were happy, if the morale was high, it would show in the performances. Instead, the second we go behind we collapse. The same thing will happen on Wednesday night and I fear for us against City. I think Toure, Silva and the like will tear us to bits like starving animals.
at the bolded part.When I thought about it a bit more I came to the same conclusion. The way Moyes was joining in, patting players on the back, being one of the boys etc just didn't fit in with the way the team have been playing and looking on the pitch.
Who is on our board, actually? Looking at the directors we have, there are some football men like Fergie, Charlton and Gill (if we can consider him that), some non-football men like the Glazers and Woodward... Who else? Are there people in the middle?
If he says we have to make it hard for them to beat us, I think I'll put my foot through the tv, aimed directly at his face.
The press are starting to turn on him, not sure why it took so long.I think the press can smell blood. The tough questions are about to start. I expect a very defensive Moyes. That dourness is finally about to come in handy
Because he's Scottish and out of respect to Ferguson.
I suspect the United press team have been working in overdrive to try and keep everyone pucker. But I noticed the day after the Olypiakos defeat that there was suddenly an obvious change. I think they smell blood, and they're all starting to position themselves to be able to say that they called it first.
Of course the press being as they are, the more they say it, the likelier it becomes.
Can be the only reason, in no way would a foreign manager get away with so much, saying that Moyes could soon become a foreign manager
He will use a tested statement: Olympiakos will be favourites.. and we will make it hard for them to beat us.
Avram Glazer - Executive Co-Chairman and Director
Joel Glazer Executive - Co-Chairman and Director
Edward Woodward - Executive Vice Chairman and Director
Richard Arnold - Group Managing Director and Director
Michael Bolingbroke - Chief Operating Officer and Director
Kevin Glazer - Director
Bryan Glazer - Director
Darcie Glazer - Director
Edward Glazer - Director
Robert Leitão - Director
Man Utd Sawhney - Director
John Hooks - Director
Business, Law, Fashion, and Engineering are their degrees. None of them have a football background. This was taken from the "Investor's Relations" area in the official website.
Its rumoured that his daughter had dominated Zaha in various occasions.
And because we should really expect this stance from a press culture which is responsible for garbage stories like 'Immigrants stealing our jobs/houses/benefits/women/antique Pogs collections!'
I am wrestling with a small conundrum.
Would I take Moyes getting sacked in return for you rescuing a draw against man city?
I'm torn here....
Would I take Moyes getting sacked in return for you rescuing a draw against man city?
I'm torn here....
Sorry to hear that. Have you considered surgery?
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James Lawton – Published 18 March 2014 02:30 AM
The nightmare of David Moyes, made so excruciating by the humiliation inflicted by Liverpool at the weekend, may now be in its last days.
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That certainly is the growing sense within a beleaguered Old Trafford.
Alex Ferguson, the kingmaker who nominated Moyes as his successor, watched sphinx-like as Liverpool tore great holes in the credibility of last year's runaway Premier League champions.
Just a few days ago Ferguson issued the traditionally dreaded vote of confidence in Moyes but there wasn't even an echo of that after Sunday's 3-0 defeat. Moyes, many United insiders are beginning to say, has passed the point of resuscitation. Nor has there been much talk over the last few critical days of him being handed a massive summer budget.
"The biggest question now is whether Moyes will make it to the summer," said a source close to Old Trafford. Many believe that if United go out of the Champions League this week, and then get hammered by City next Tuesday in front of their own fans, the Moyes story will be at an end."
One option which is apparently being discounted is that Ferguson, who drove the current squad to an 11-point title triumph last season, will briefly return to the ring in which he proved himself such a durable football pugilist.
IMAGINED
The word is that he considers his time has passed and there will be no repeat of Matt Busby's attempt to re-animate the team after handing over the job to immensely pressurised successors more than 43 years ago.
Now that old scenario has come back to life in a way which simply couldn't have been imagined when United were romping past the post last spring.
Indeed, it was hard to know who seemed to be afflicted by the deepest shock as Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool team ran so freely across Old Trafford.
Ferguson at times stared blankly into the middle-distance. The new chief executive Ed Woodward look like a man weighed down by the challenge in front of him, one that became a little more onerous with every ripple of discontent on the terraces.
Both could only reflect that when such as European Cup winners Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti were ruled out of the Ferguson succession any serious chance of damage control was thrown out the window.
Moyes proved in his decade at Everton that he is a man of admirable qualities, but so far at Old Trafford there has been little or no evidence that he was built for a stage as big as this one.
Two or three years ago Mourinho's eventual arrival at Old Trafford was considered a no-brainer, and increasingly so as his difficulties with the Real Madrid hierarchy – and Galactico team – became more apparent.
The source added: "You just couldn't get a bet on Mourinho because it was considered such a fait accompli. But then a growing number of people at Old Trafford felt that his behaviour had become so erratic he would bring too much baggage with him. The fear was that the club would be embarrassed by his antics."
Maybe so but there are many degrees of embarrassment and the current level being suffered by United goes right to the heart of their idea of who they are. United were not simply beaten by Liverpool. They were publicly undressed.
A claim that Rodgers, in only his second year of re-construction at Liverpool, would have no reason to call on a single United player had he the chance before the weekend showdown of the bitter rivals was not only vindicated but displayed in neon.
Not even £300,000-a-week Wayne Rooney was able to challenge the idea as even the best of his work failed to create a spark of aggressive conviction in any of his team-mates, and most catastrophically last year's chief striking arm Robin van Persie and creative midfielder Michael Carrick.
If Moyes looked time-expired as he spoke with some desperation to his assistant Steve Round in the United dugout, almost all of his players seemed to be in the process of booking their tickets out of Old Trafford.
Some judged Rafael da Silva as United's best player, which was one way of illuminating the problem. Da Silva was extremely lucky not to receive a red card before one went to Nemanja Vidic, once a defensive titan of the Premier League but now due to leave for Inter with the haste and the regrets of a refugee.
Wherever you looked United showed evidence that they were a broken force. In the light of this performance, and the one in Athens in the first leg of the European tie, it is hardly surprising that Moyes is no longer being spoken of as the manager who goes into the summer with a golden arm.
Against Liverpool, his two moves into the market, for his old Everton player Marouane Fellaini and Juan Mata, were put under harsh examination.
Moyes was said to be carrying at least £100m towards the summer transfer window but the uncomfortable fact on Sunday was while the combined cost of Fellaini and Mata was £64m – or appreciably more than half the amount that was expected to transform United – neither of them was able to offer even a hint that their considerable talents had been properly integrated into a drastically under-performing team.
This did not exactly underpin the plan to give Moyes a blank cheque book and another season to dispel the idea that his regime has been doomed almost from the start.
So what do United do if the trend stays damagingly ugly on the field. If the idea of Ferguson the old redeemer is indeed still-born, United may concede that the Moyes appointment is permanently locked in misadventure and put the team in the temporary care of an old pro caretaker, perhaps Ferguson's discarded No 2 Mike Phelan.
Then they would have to move for someone who has already covered some of the high ground that United so recently considered to be their own. Borussia Dortmund's free spirit Jurgen Klopp might just have the clout.
The nightmare of David Moyes, made so excruciating by the humiliation inflicted by Liverpool at the weekend, may now be in its last days.
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That certainly is the growing sense within a beleaguered Old Trafford.
Alex Ferguson, the kingmaker who nominated Moyes as his successor, watched sphinx-like as Liverpool tore great holes in the credibility of last year's runaway Premier League champions.
Just a few days ago Ferguson issued the traditionally dreaded vote of confidence in Moyes but there wasn't even an echo of that after Sunday's 3-0 defeat. Moyes, many United insiders are beginning to say, has passed the point of resuscitation. Nor has there been much talk over the last few critical days of him being handed a massive summer budget.
"The biggest question now is whether Moyes will make it to the summer," said a source close to Old Trafford. Many believe that if United go out of the Champions League this week, and then get hammered by City next Tuesday in front of their own fans, the Moyes story will be at an end."
One option which is apparently being discounted is that Ferguson, who drove the current squad to an 11-point title triumph last season, will briefly return to the ring in which he proved himself such a durable football pugilist.
IMAGINED
The word is that he considers his time has passed and there will be no repeat of Matt Busby's attempt to re-animate the team after handing over the job to immensely pressurised successors more than 43 years ago.
Now that old scenario has come back to life in a way which simply couldn't have been imagined when United were romping past the post last spring.
Indeed, it was hard to know who seemed to be afflicted by the deepest shock as Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool team ran so freely across Old Trafford.
Ferguson at times stared blankly into the middle-distance. The new chief executive Ed Woodward look like a man weighed down by the challenge in front of him, one that became a little more onerous with every ripple of discontent on the terraces.
Both could only reflect that when such as European Cup winners Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti were ruled out of the Ferguson succession any serious chance of damage control was thrown out the window.
Moyes proved in his decade at Everton that he is a man of admirable qualities, but so far at Old Trafford there has been little or no evidence that he was built for a stage as big as this one.
Two or three years ago Mourinho's eventual arrival at Old Trafford was considered a no-brainer, and increasingly so as his difficulties with the Real Madrid hierarchy – and Galactico team – became more apparent.
The source added: "You just couldn't get a bet on Mourinho because it was considered such a fait accompli. But then a growing number of people at Old Trafford felt that his behaviour had become so erratic he would bring too much baggage with him. The fear was that the club would be embarrassed by his antics."
Maybe so but there are many degrees of embarrassment and the current level being suffered by United goes right to the heart of their idea of who they are. United were not simply beaten by Liverpool. They were publicly undressed.
A claim that Rodgers, in only his second year of re-construction at Liverpool, would have no reason to call on a single United player had he the chance before the weekend showdown of the bitter rivals was not only vindicated but displayed in neon.
Not even £300,000-a-week Wayne Rooney was able to challenge the idea as even the best of his work failed to create a spark of aggressive conviction in any of his team-mates, and most catastrophically last year's chief striking arm Robin van Persie and creative midfielder Michael Carrick.
If Moyes looked time-expired as he spoke with some desperation to his assistant Steve Round in the United dugout, almost all of his players seemed to be in the process of booking their tickets out of Old Trafford.
Some judged Rafael da Silva as United's best player, which was one way of illuminating the problem. Da Silva was extremely lucky not to receive a red card before one went to Nemanja Vidic, once a defensive titan of the Premier League but now due to leave for Inter with the haste and the regrets of a refugee.
Wherever you looked United showed evidence that they were a broken force. In the light of this performance, and the one in Athens in the first leg of the European tie, it is hardly surprising that Moyes is no longer being spoken of as the manager who goes into the summer with a golden arm.
Against Liverpool, his two moves into the market, for his old Everton player Marouane Fellaini and Juan Mata, were put under harsh examination.
Moyes was said to be carrying at least £100m towards the summer transfer window but the uncomfortable fact on Sunday was while the combined cost of Fellaini and Mata was £64m – or appreciably more than half the amount that was expected to transform United – neither of them was able to offer even a hint that their considerable talents had been properly integrated into a drastically under-performing team.
This did not exactly underpin the plan to give Moyes a blank cheque book and another season to dispel the idea that his regime has been doomed almost from the start.
So what do United do if the trend stays damagingly ugly on the field. If the idea of Ferguson the old redeemer is indeed still-born, United may concede that the Moyes appointment is permanently locked in misadventure and put the team in the temporary care of an old pro caretaker, perhaps Ferguson's discarded No 2 Mike Phelan.
Then they would have to move for someone who has already covered some of the high ground that United so recently considered to be their own. Borussia Dortmund's free spirit Jurgen Klopp might just have the clout.
You would of course, surely a title to you is more important than us keeping Moyes?
Well I remember getting hounded by Moyes backers when I dared suggest he's bad at bringing through youth and will be bad for our academy. Here's what Everton's academy coach Kevin Sheedy has to say on the matter..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2582489/Everton-coach-Kevin-Sheedy-blasts-Moyes-showing-no-clubs-youth-team.html?ico=sport^headlines
Rubbish manager. Needs to go asap before he drags the club down even further. And take mophead with him on the way out..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2582489/Everton-coach-Kevin-Sheedy-blasts-Moyes-showing-no-clubs-youth-team.html?ico=sport^headlines
Rubbish manager. Needs to go asap before he drags the club down even further. And take mophead with him on the way out..
So what your saying is that you don't know if you would rather see United continue to lose trophies or to see Liverpool win trophies?
Are Liverpool fans really that obsessed?
I was thinking the same, but unfortunately I don't think there's any chance of that. He'll be given the chance to redeem himself in Europe, and he'll fail.
I'm going to need to drink a lot during that match.
Well, it's not as if it's a promise of trophies. But yeah, I'd take the point at city. Who knows when we'll get a chance like this again.
It is the best chance you are going to have. You will have UCL games to deal with next season, I'm not sure you have the squad (yet) to cope with all four competitions.
So anyway . . .
As someone who has broadly been on the side of giving Moyes time, i'd have to be in major denial to not appreciate that his tenure to date has been little short of disastrous.
I'm still reluctant to call for his sacking, but if we're in a similar position this time next season, then it'll be even harder to resist.
I also think that if the board do decide to part ways with him at the end of this season, he couldn't necessarily have too many complaints. The inescapable fact is that we have underperformed badly, and the book ultimately stops with Moyes.
I'm just clinging to some small hope that is the dark before the dawn though, if only because i'd love to see him forcing certain columnists - who've panned him from the start - to eat their words, and it's nice to see underdogs come good.
As someone who has broadly been on the side of giving Moyes time, i'd have to be in major denial to not appreciate that his tenure to date has been little short of disastrous.
I'm still reluctant to call for his sacking, but if we're in a similar position this time next season, then it'll be even harder to resist.
I also think that if the board do decide to part ways with him at the end of this season, he couldn't necessarily have too many complaints. The inescapable fact is that we have underperformed badly, and the book ultimately stops with Moyes.
I'm just clinging to some small hope that is the dark before the dawn though, if only because i'd love to see him forcing certain columnists - who've panned him from the start - to eat their words, and it's nice to see underdogs come good.
I get the feeling that we could he sitting 16th or something and some people at United would still come away with shite like the United way and he needs time.
This is essentially my position now; the results speak for themselves, never mind the performances. I'd love to see David succeed - for any number of reasons - but I fear he lacks the imagination and daring that SAF used to our benefit over the years.
Mine too.
Any chance to agree with the great Stevie J....I am taking it.
Which is like, always.
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