Moyes So Far!

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It surprises me looking at the statistics to see that Moyes has won 53% of his games. In contrast, Fergie won 60%. Amazing how fine the margins are.

That said, I think Moyes's time is running out, and we should be looking for a replacement. The only way he can redeem himself enough in any way justify another season is A. Get us past Olympiakos, and B. Finish 5th. Both of which are pathetic of course, but that's how low my expectations are.
 
I think he'll be gone by Christmas, but the Glazers won't want to throw away the baby (his scouting work so far) with the bathwater (him).

His scouting is shite dude,

Look at Everton, sure they got a few bargains and doing an OK job, but do you see them unearthing anyone? What was their record sale (other than Rooney)? Look at ours. He sacked our scouts and bring Everton scouts? Does Everton scouts really are better than ours?

Ipad? He can't even fecking see what a good player Thiago is, you expect him to do the scouting? He can't even bloody pick his best XI right under his fecking nose, and you expect him to scout another ROnaldo?

Beggars' belief
 
He was just as much of a shadow under the man you wanted instead of Moyes.

Clue: Rearrange the letters in "Mourinoh "
Take a look at the league table...

Mourinho knows what he wants and the results back him up.
 
He's known to be a very thorough scouter and will already have extensive dossiers on players. If someone new comes in just before the World Cup, we'll be starting from square one again. Actually, we'll still be looking at square one away in the distance.
not really. that's your opinion though. doesn take much if replacement has already made contact with club and has idea for who he wants.

we started from square one with moyes last summer because he didn feel comfortable making decisions based on existing scouting reports (i.e. thiago) but not every new manager will do that
 
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Brian Clough lost Leeds.

And? How does that tell us that any manager would have lost the dressing room here.

We lost out on plenty of players under SAF. So far, Rooney, RVP and Mata have all been willing to make that commitment when they could have chosen the alternative.

Yep, he signed Mata, kudos to him. The circumstances were a bit special considering that he wasn't playing but still a potentially magnificient signing. Did that signing improve us in any way though? Absolutelly no.

He also spent 27.5m in a very average player but lets act that Fellaini will become great.

Rooney got 300000pounds per week. Not very hard to know why he signed. In a 5 years contract which means that even on overfat 33 years old Rooney would still be one of the best paid players in the world.

Lets see what will happen with RVP in the summer. Of course that players won't openly talk about how shit Moyes is.

And more importantly, why does Moyes has any advantage of signing players? Do you really think that there is even a small chance that the likes of Kroos, Gundogan or VIdal would come here (in a team that is going down with the speed of light), without UCL and with Moyes manager. And even more importantly, if we lose Moyes and hire Van Gaal/Simeone etc, would those players say 'feck that, I wanted to go play for Moyes, now I won't go there because of Van Gaal'.

So let me repeat the question, how does David Moyes gives us any advantage on signing top players? And more specififcally, how he would give us any advantage on doing that, compared to a better manager who would have hired in his place.
 
He was just as much of a shadow under the man you wanted instead of Moyes.

Clue: Rearrange the letters in "Mourinoh "
Possibly because he wasn't in Mourinhios plans, wasn't played that often and sat mainly on the bench, in comparison we bought him for 37 million and has played nearly every minute available since he's been at United. If you can't spot the difference then I suggest you rearrange these letters Bleedrink
 
It's not clear at all. He was actually doing better than most of those managers last season when he had an inferior squad.
We're talking about managing United, and taking a team to the top. If you're comparing how our manager is doing to how Fulham and Sunderland are doing then I have nothing else to say.
 
feck me, 20 alerts is about half an hour. And I only wanted to make one small point.

That's what happens when you make ludicrous claims that "Anyone coming in after Sir Alex will have lost the squad". :angel:
 
Any backing he receives will be interpreted as the 'Dreaded vote of confidence' anyway.

Also, beating Olympiakos or West Ham aren't exactly season defining moments...

My bad. I meant qualifying against Olympiakos and then the derby. Or has the damage already been done?
 
Possibly because he wasn't in Mourinhios plans, wasn't played that often and sat mainly on the bench, in comparison we bought him for 37 million and has played nearly every minute available since he's been at United. If you can't spot the difference then I suggest you rearrange these letters Bleedrink
I've never said that Moyes is doing a good job on the pitch. I've only said that he isn't inept or an idiot. He can still do a job at finding players for the club in the Summer.
 
I've never said that Moyes is doing a good job on the pitch. I've only said that he isn't inept or an idiot. He can still do a job at finding players for the club in the Summer.
So why let him sign players who the next manager may or may not want?

Imagine he sold Kagawa for peanuts and we somehow get Klopp afterwards?
 
I've never said that Moyes is doing a good job on the pitch. I've only said that he isn't inept or an idiot. He can still do a job at finding players for the club in the Summer.
He's found two already that haven't improved the team, those two players cost 64 million, there's nothing to suggest that he's going to improve the team with another £2-300 million?

I appreciate that Mata is a good buy, but what's the point if he's going to be played as a winger, he hasn't improved the shape or form of the team one bit, I don't blame him, I blame Moyes. Why would I want the club to give him more money when he can't get the best out of the players he's already bought or has at his disposal.
It's lunacy to suggest that he should be given money in the summer, it could set us back 5-10 years.
 
My bad. I meant qualifying against Olympiakos and then the derby. Or has the damage already been done?
Personally, there's basically nothing he can do to rescue the situation, except Di Matteoing the CL, which is as unlikely as Iran winning the WC.
 
He's found two already that haven't improved the team, those two players cost 64 million, there's nothing to suggest that he's going to improve the team with another £2-300 million?

I appreciate that Mata is a good buy, but what's the point if he's going to be played as a winger, he hasn't improved the shape or form of the team one bit, I don't blame him, I blame Moyes. Why would I want the club to give him more money when he can't get the best out of the players he's already bought or has at his disposal.
It's lunacy to suggest that he should be given money in the summer, it could set us back 5-10 years.
Very much in agreement here.

If the Sirs on our board insist on wasting another season on him, I hope he doesn't get too much to spend.
 
He's found two already that haven't improved the team, those two players cost 64 million, there's nothing to suggest that he's going to improve the team with another £2-300 million?

I appreciate that Mata is a good buy, but what's the point if he's going to be played as a winger, he hasn't improved the shape or form of the team one bit, I don't blame him, I blame Moyes. Why would I want the club to give him more money when he can't get the best out of the players he's already bought or has at his disposal.
It's lunacy to suggest that he should be given money in the summer, it could set us back 5-10 years.
Both players (Mata more so) are good enough for United. He could have managed the team better, but that's a separate point.

I think it's also true that both players were panic buys to an extent. I wouldn't use the fees we paid as a stick to hit him with. The leg work he's already done with certain players (Carvalho and Kroos according to the red tops) shouldn't be sniffed at.
@Dante you are at your wit's end
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He's found two already that haven't improved the team, those two players cost 64 million, there's nothing to suggest that he's going to improve the team with another £2-300 million?

I appreciate that Mata is a good buy, but what's the point if he's going to be played as a winger, he hasn't improved the shape or form of the team one bit, I don't blame him, I blame Moyes. Why would I want the club to give him more money when he can't get the best out of the players he's already bought or has at his disposal.
It's lunacy to suggest that he should be given money in the summer, it could set us back 5-10 years.
fecking Mata isn't playing for him either. We should cut our losses and sell him in the Summer with someone who will play for Moyes.
 
I think it's also true that both players were panic buys to an extent. I wouldn't use the fees we paid as a stick to hit him with. The leg work he's already done with certain players (Carvalho and Kroos according to the red tops) shouldn't be sniffed at.

Moyes is the only person in the history of football who has got credit for being interested (not signing, but liking to sign) some of the best players in the world like Kroos.

I don't know why we don't hire a transfer muppet like Redsky or Mel as our managers. After all, I bet that their wish list would have players like Gundogan, Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal too. We can then hire iSparky as their assistent because he likes to sign Ronaldo.
 
2 consecutive years without CL will take its toll, 4 years and we're in deep shit. I have my deepest fear in Moyes, he can accomplish that. 6 years down the line we could be less marketable than Chelsea, that'd be something.

No way would we be less marketable than Chelsea. I remember when we were relegated, the following season we still had the biggest crowds in the country. We have been a huge club for a very very long time, thats not going to go away. We have had a huge following for a very very long time. We would be hugely marketable in the Championship division.
 
He's found two already that haven't improved the team, those two players cost 64 million, there's nothing to suggest that he's going to improve the team with another £2-300 million?

I appreciate that Mata is a good buy, but what's the point if he's going to be played as a winger, he hasn't improved the shape or form of the team one bit, I don't blame him, I blame Moyes. Why would I want the club to give him more money when he can't get the best out of the players he's already bought or has at his disposal.
It's lunacy to suggest that he should be given money in the summer, it could set us back 5-10 years.

Exactly.

The sad thing is Mata could be used exactly the way Silva and Nasri are used at City if Moyes were at all creative in his tactics. But our attackers play like strangers, and is it a surprise when we're told they practice defensive drills for two hours solidly and don't try to develop any understanding between our forward players? Its ridiculous.

The problem is not the players the problem is Moyes. If you put Moyes in charge of Barcelona he'd have Messi chasing long high balls and be telling Neymar and Alexis to get chalk on their boots. He seems totally incapable of showing the tactical flexibility required to get the best out of the players he has. You compare this to Pellegrini or Rodgers who happily change their formations and play to bring the best out of the attackers they have and it justifies that old fella Ray saying Moyes is 'stone age'.

All these players we're being linked with...it will be for nothing because Moyes shows no signs he is capable of adapting to their level.
 
The article is interesting but as someone who doesn't knows much about American football aside than the shape of the ball, I wonder how much the Glazer history can be applied to football. Is the "coach's" role in American football similar to the manager's in football?

In American Sports they tend to work with the sporting director model, when you have a general manager in change of putting the team together and the coach simply has to get the best out of what he got (few have the power of both roles, like Greg Popovich at San Antonio Spurs of the NBA, I believe).

Tampa Bay let go of both coaches and general managers in recent years. In fact,they let go of both at the end of last season.

The thing is, I suppose they know a few things about American football. They don't about 'our' football, which is why they let Gill and Fergie get on with things. Which is why they gave Fergie huge power in deciding his successor. I don't know if they are willing to accept they can't do it now.
 
Moyes is the only person in the history of football who has got credit for being interested (not signing, but liking to sign) some of the best players in the world like Kroos.

I don't know why we don't hire a transfer muppet like Redsky or Mel as our managers. After all, I bet that their wish list would have players like Gundogan, Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal too. We can then hire iSparky as their assistent because he likes to sign Ronaldo.

I could do that job, give Woodward a list: Ronaldo, Messi, Bale, etc...

Blame Woodward for failing to sign said players whilst the manager needs time to build his team.
 
No way would we be less marketable than Chelsea. I remember when we were relegated, the following season we still had the biggest crowds in the country. We have been a huge club for a very very long time, thats not going to go away. We have had a huge following for a very very long time. We would be hugely marketable in the Championship division.
Yes, but people on Japan, US etc won't watch us on the Championship. And I guess that would effect our sponsosrs so they won't give us that much money.

Old Trafford would obviously be full even there, but Chevrolet won't give 50m for year for a team who isn't one of the best in the world. The so-called glory hunters help this club on revenue. A lot!
 
We need players that love Moyes and want to play for him. His wife and daughter any good at football?
 
Thanks to @Mel_F article from james ducker at times http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/manchesterunited/article4036752.ece
The Glazer family’s support for David Moyes will face a severe examination if Manchester United suffer more embarrassment at Old Trafford over a critical next week.

As United denied suggestions that Ryan Giggs had been involved in a dressing-room bust-up with Moyes after the dire 3-0 defeat at home to Liverpool on Sunday — a game watched by the club’s leading sponsors and Avram Glazer — there are growing concerns that further setbacks in their next two matches at Old Trafford could prove a tipping point for supporters.

United fans reacted defiantly on Sunday, but while there was a desire to put on a show of unity in front of fierce rivals, elimination from the Champions League by Olympiacos tomorrow and defeat by Manchester City a week today may be too much for some to stomach. Sandwiched between those games, the Barclays Premier League champions travel to Upton Park to play West Ham United on Saturday.

The limp surrender to Liverpool was described as “awful” by senior figures at United yesterday, but while the official line was that the board’s backing for Moyes had not changed, the manager’s position has weakened considerably in the wake of a wretched run of seven defeats in the past 14 matches.

No “extraordinary discussions” over Moyes’s future have taken place between the Glazers and Ed Woodward, the United executive vice-chairman, who are in daily contact, but there is shock at the extent of the team’s collapse since the turn of the year.

With United trailing 2-0 from the first leg of their Champions League round-of-16 tie against Olympiacos in Athens, there is a distinct prospect of the club’s pursuit of silverware being over with two months of the season left.

A bad run of results aside, there is also particular consternation at the one-dimensional nature of so much of United’s play this term and a belief that Moyes would benefit from having a stronger backroom team around him.

Doubts among the squad about Moyes’s suitability to the job have been growing for some time, although reports by Red Issue, the United fanzine, yesterday that Giggs, the player-coach, had torn into Moyes and the other coaching staff after the Liverpool debacle were dismissed by the club. United have also moved to refute suggestions that Giggs has an issue with Moyes’s training methods and refused to attend one coaches’ meeting because he felt the manager “doesn’t listen”. Moyes came in for more criticism on Sunday night when Kevin Sheedy, the former Everton striker who coaches the club’s under-18s and previously worked with Moyes at Goodison Park, claimed on Twitter that the Scot was “never interested in our youth team or players”. Everton ordered Sheedy to remove the tweet.

Sheedy also lambasted Moyes’s tactics. “Punt the ball up to [Marouane] Fellaini: great viewing” and added: “We [Everton] now have a manager who wants to win games.”

United’s annual partner conference on Saturday had been attended by all the club’s principal sponsors, unfortunate timing given that executives attended the Liverpool game the next day.

Juan Mata, the United playmaker, claimed fans deserved far better than to watch their team humiliated by their Merseyside rivals. Writing in his blog, Mata said: “It makes me mad not being able to give you what you deserve.”
 
Both players (Mata more so) are good enough for United. He could have managed the team better, but that's a separate point.

I think it's also true that both players were panic buys to an extent. I wouldn't use the fees we paid as a stick to hit him with. The leg work he's already done with certain players (Carvalho and Kroos according to the red tops) shouldn't be sniffed at.
Mata is more than good enough for United, he's good enough for any team IMO, but that doesn't mean that he is good enough to play out of position or play for a manger than doesn't know how play him or worse doesn't want to play to his strengths.

Both possibly were panic buys, which makes it worse, will he panic buy in the summer? If he fails to get his first choice will he settle for his 3rd or 4th choice? Will he waste £200 million? The fees paid does matter, especially if he buys the wrong type of player, I could use Carroll and Downing as an example to that.
There is nothing to suggest that he has players lined up, nothing.
 
Moyes is the only person in the history of football who has got credit for being interested (not signing, but liking to sign) some of the best players in the world like Kroos.

I don't know why we don't hire a transfer muppet like Redsky or Mel as our managers. After all, I bet that their wish list would have players like Gundogan, Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal too. We can then hire iSparky as their assistent because he likes to sign Ronaldo.
I would love that job. Fire up FM Genie Scout-> Set range of PA between 180-200. Send the list to Woody.
 
Moyes is the only person in the history of football who has got credit for being interested (not signing, but liking to sign) some of the best players in the world like Kroos.

I don't know why we don't hire a transfer muppet like Redsky or Mel as our managers. After all, I bet that their wish list would have players like Gundogan, Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal too. We can then hire iSparky as their assistent because he likes to sign Ronaldo.
We all know the Aaron Ramsey story about feeling wanted because Wenger himself went to meet him.
 
He's known to be a very thorough scouter and will already have extensive dossiers on players. If someone new comes in just before the World Cup, we'll be starting from square one again. Actually, we'll still be looking at square one away in the distance.

We need to improve our bigger weak spots. The manager's role has become our biggest weak spot. I'd take the same squad next season if we can just replace the manager.
 
We need to improve our bigger weak spots. The manager's role has become our biggest weak spot. I'd take the same squad next season if we can just replace the manager.

Exactly, Klopp with no signing > Moyes with 150m worth of new players.
 
Exactly, Klopp with no signing > Moyes with 150m worth of new players.

It sounds ridiculous, but it really isn't. At this point I'd even taken Giggs over Moyes for the rest of the season. Not because I think Giggs is in any way a better manager than Moyes, but because he's not Moyes, which is one thing that I think would singlehandedly bring something back to the team.
 
It sounds ridiculous, but it really isn't. At this point I'd even taken Giggs over Moyes for the rest of the season. Not because I think Giggs is in any way a better manager than Moyes, but because he's not Moyes, which is one thing that I think would singlehandedly bring something back to the team.
I still hope we can rescue the CL tie by sacking him before tmr night
 
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