Moyes So Far!

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David Moyes does not possess the type of personality or social intelligence that is required to enthuse and motivate men who consider themselves to be top professionals and who strive to achieve the highest accolades in their profession. I know people in the sport, and while David Moyes is considered to be hardworking by his peers he also has a reputation for communicating bluntly and with a gruff mannerism that typically causes others to react negatively - perhaps even disobediently or defiantly - to his orders. I could have used an alternative word to 'orders' but didn't on purpose.

Possessing the mental faculties required to communicate with young men who are wealthy and powerful but who also feel the stresses and demands that come with their careers in a globally recognized endeavour is a required characteristic for any man who aims to support and nurture their talents, and if that man does not have the self-awareness that's necessary to anticipate how his words and actions influence the performances of those who look in his direction for inspiration then that man should not be in such a critical position in the first place.

In the absence of intelligence or self-awareness, a man with charisma should be sought.

Very well written, I enjoyed this read.
 
Nope, I firmly agree that this is due to the manager. Because we're not playing well people see this as our new ceiling, when it's clearly not.
These fecking players are not playing for him. We need to get rid of every single one of them before we can judge Moyes, honestly. We should now despise all players for the good of Moyes.
 
Do you honestly believe that? We cant beat the likes of Stoke Sunderland Swansea Spurs Newcastle Everton West Brom or Olybiakos and you think our squad deserves that? This very same squad last year was 29 points ahead of Liverpool at this time, and yet we couldn't even create one chance against them the other day losing easily 0-3 and you think the our squad deserves it. Are squad is more that good enough to be challenging for a minimum of 4th position, its amazing how much our standards have dropped under Moyes I cant believe you think our squad deserves to be 7th and 20 points of the top.
We've been playing like Fulham or worse lately, anyone who reckons this squad isn't capable of more needs to have a look at himself. You cannot possibly think that a team with Mata, Rooney and van Persie shouldn't be able to at least hold up a fight against Liverpool and beat teams like Stoke, Fulham and Olympiakos.
 
Is in sinking in to anybody else yet that we will have no Champions League football next season, the reality of it is starting to hit home now :(
 
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Alan Partridge.

Christ, that shoulder slump he did in the first gif. Do we need to give him a microphone for him to shout his instructions across?
 
Imagine if we actually got rid of him tonight and appointed Giggs for the following night then knocked Olympiakos out by beating them 5-0 playing wonderful stuff. Old Trafford would go mental. The thought of it is :drool: worthy.

Then I realise we are going to lose to them and Moyes will say we played well. :(
 
Disagree. If we sack him at the end of the season we have less time to get him out, the new manager in and sign players before the world cup starts. I'd sack him now, gets Giggs in as an interim and have an agreement lined up for someone to take the reigns permanently from next season. We can start working on their transfer targets right away. We can't afford another lackluster summer in the transfer market.
I agree, if they get rid now, other big name managers will know for ages the job is available and it will give them plenty of time to apply. You don't want to be scrapping round in a world cup year. Also players will know who are manager is going to be and the right manager will attract the right players.
 
Is in sinking in to anybody else yet that we will have no Champions League football next season, the reality of it is starting to hit home now :(
This time next year we'll be watching Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and City in it while sitting at home and reading Moyes saying that we will do our best to try and get back to the top half of the league while his most devoted fans here slag players off for not playing for the man and plan his 200M spending in the Summer so he can make it his team. :(
 
Good point on the backroom staff - major problem - would Rene/Mike etc come back temporarily I wonder...
I think the major problem is he is trying to fit square pegs into round holes, just play the systen that these players a suited to. You cannot change a playing system, if he has one, until you have the players that fit into it.
 
If true-the most telling thing for me in the piece is the reported rumblings amongst commercial partners about being unhappy being linked with a losing team. Fans and sponsors in developing markets have no loyalty to United-and will take their money elsewhere if the team is in decline. This is something the Glazers understand-and will likely grease the skids for Moyes.
Do the Glazers not realise that sponsors will get twitchy? They don't care about giving managers time and The Manchester United Way, the just want results for their sponsorship money.
 
If you can't motivate a United side against Liverpool, there is no hope!

For Christ sake, Woy got Liverpool up for their game at OT in 2010!! Any Liverpool manager, in my lifetime, has always got them up for a game against us! Even when we win it's due to a fluke, individual brilliance or a cock up on their behalf!

It really is just a matter of time and Thursday morning, my gut feeling is that we will have seen the last of him
 
This time next year we'll be watching Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and City in it while sitting at home and reading Moyes saying that we will do our best to try and get back to the top half of the league while his most devoted fans here slag players off for not playing for the man and plan his 200M spending in the Summer so he can make it his team. :(
I've known since Xmas that we wouldn't be in it next season, but it's only really hit home this morning. Moyes really has fecked up this season, our season was over in February, unbelievable.
I've never wanted a person out of the club as much as I want Moyes out.
 
Do the Glazers not realise that sponsors will get twitchy? They don't care about giving managers time and The Manchester United Way, the just want results for their sponsorship money.

Yeah I'd imagine the Glazers will be fair more twitchy than people would think, at the end of the day it's their business and they want to maximise the amount of money it makes them. If their value starts to drop then if imagine they are going to take steps to rectify it, whatever that may be.
 
Do the Glazers not realise that sponsors will get twitchy? They don't care about giving managers time and The Manchester United Way, the just want results for their sponsorship money.
Sponsors want exposure. Doesn't really matter that much if we're successful or not, at least short to mid term. United failing is still a huge story, biggest story probably. Being the most hated team has its advantages.
 
Sponsors want exposure. Doesn't really matter that much if we're successful or not, at least short to mid term. United failing is still a huge story, biggest story probably. Being the most hated team as well has advantages.

Sponsors don't want to be associated with failure. Also these record making sponsors we get will most likely decrease.
 
Sponsors want exposure. Doesn't really matter that much if we're successful or not, at least short to mid term. United failing is still a huge story, biggest story probably. Being the most hated team has its advantages.
If we are out of Europe next season, that is a lot less exposure.
 
Sponsors want exposure. Doesn't really matter that much if we're successful or not, at least short to mid term. United failing is still a huge story, biggest story probably. Being the most hated team has its advantages.

It's only a story for a season or two though, after that it's no longer big news, people move on quickly. For a sponsor it's not a long term strategy to put your name to.
 
If we are out of Europe next season, that is a lot less exposure.
We're fine for now. As I said short to mid term there won't be any drastic changes of how we're perceived as a business partner. You underestimate how huge the club is. Of course given enough time our value will drop. I'd say we need 10 years of fail to really damage the club. Moyes is well on his way but it's still too early.
 
We're fine for now. As I said short to mid term there won't be any drastic changes of how we're perceived as a business partner. You underestimate how huge the club is. Of course given enough time our value will drop. I'd say we need 10 years of fail to really damage the club. Moyes is well on his way but it's still too early.
2 consecutive years without CL will take its toll, 4 years and we're in deep shit. I have my deepest fear in Moyes, he can accomplish that. 6 years down the line we could be less marketable than Chelsea, that'd be something.
 
I don't want our last game in the UCL for some time to be a defeat to Olympiacos :(

If that's part of what it takes to get rid of Moyes, so be it.

I said back in January that I'd take 17th in the league and I stand by that.
 
Moyes is still a very good manager and he still knows more about football than anyone on this forum. The problem is that he's lost the dressing room and can't motivate them, which was always going to be nearly unavoidable for anyone who followed Fergie.

I doubt the Glazers will want another stop-start Summer transfer window like the one in 2013 so, for the sake of player acquisitions, Moyes will be kept on so he can strengthen the squad with the players he's already extensively scouted. If things are still bad around Christmas, he'll get sacked. But I doubt it will be any earlier.
 
I just don't get this attitude at all. Wanting him to fail to get him out. Aren't you only supposed to want him out if he fails?

Because I firmly believe that he'll do more harm than good if he hangs around for a few more months and signs a few more Fellainis.

Short term pain is better than long term misery.
 
Moyes is still a very good manager and he still knows more about football than anyone on this forum. The problem is that he's lost the dressing room and can't motivate them, which was always going to be nearly unavoidable for anyone who followed Fergie.

I doubt the Glazers will want another stop-start Summer transfer window like the one in 2013 so, for the sake of player acquisitions, Moyes will be kept on so he can strengthen the squad with the players he's already extensively scouted. If things are still bad around Christmas, he'll get sacked. But I doubt it will be any earlier.


Why do people keep saying this? IN what way is that an achievement? He earns millions to do nothing but learn about the game and has a ton of experience. Why should he be compared to random fans who post on a forum? What an odd point that won't go away.
 
Moyes is still a very good manager and he still knows more about football than anyone on this forum.
The problem is that he's lost the dressing room and can't motivate them, which was always going to be nearly unavoidable for anyone who followed Fergie.

I doubt the Glazers will want another stop-start Summer transfer window like the one in 2013 so, for the sake of player acquisitions, Moyes will be kept on so he can strengthen the squad with the players he's already extensively scouted. If things are still bad around Christmas, he'll get sacked. But I doubt it will be any earlier.


Why do people keep saying this? IN what way is that an achievement? He earns millions to do nothing but learn about the game and has a ton of experience. Why should he be compared to random fans who post on a forum? What an odd point that won't go away.
It's not a job application, it's a statement of fact.
 
Moyes is still a very good manager and he still knows more about football than anyone on this forum. The problem is that he's lost the dressing room and can't motivate them, which was always going to be nearly unavoidable for anyone who followed Fergie.

I doubt the Glazers will want another stop-start Summer transfer window like the one in 2013 so, for the sake of player acquisitions, Moyes will be kept on so he can strengthen the squad with the players he's already extensively scouted. If things are still bad around Christmas, he'll get sacked. But I doubt it will be any earlier.

Why do people keep saying that? It's the most pointless comment ever, is anyone suggesting we do a Caf poll to decide which of us becomes the next manager? The fact is that he knows less about football than his peers (Mourinho, Guardiola & the likes)

Why is it unavoidable for anyone to lose the dressing room? Please do elaborate.

Also, keep him on to sign players? :lol:
 
Fergie ruled the dressing room, and the entire club, with his personality. Anderson said it best when he said that United would lose 60% (or whatever it was) when he left, and that's what happened.
 
I find it very difficult to understand how he hasn't been sacked yet. It's three months overdue. It's starting to make me wonder if perhaps his contract doesn't contain those clauses limiting the size of his payoff? What the hell else could they be waiting for?
 
Liverpool are still more marketable than Chelsea, wouldnt you say?
They are. A few years of demise would see them drop below though.

Chelsea is a poor benchmark though, they've just joined the elite like City. We'll lose a lot of money though.
 
Because I firmly believe that he'll do more harm than good if he hangs around for a few more months and signs a few more Fellainis.

Short term pain is better than long term misery.
I'm swaying towards the same, false positives now could see him get another year or two which would be damaging to the club. I honestly don't care if we beat Newcastle, we'll finish 7th anyway.
 
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