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Moyes So Far!
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I just came home from work and ESPN is reporting Moyes is in deep shit in the eyes of the Glazers.
There isn't much in the story beside their "sources". Can't see anything leaked in regards to his future until the end of the season. If we are flat midweek and get pumped against City, maybe then it will come earlier but I wouldn't read too much into what ESPN has to say.
I stood by Moyes until Liverpool, I didn't turn on him because it was Liverpool.
I turned on him because you have to win big games, or the gaps between the top teams grows larger, we need a manager like Klopp a long term manager, not one like Moyes.
I turned on him because you have to win big games, or the gaps between the top teams grows larger, we need a manager like Klopp a long term manager, not one like Moyes.
There's no smoke without fire. What did we all expect anyway? A quick look at the 2014 results so far will tell you all you need to know. It would be very surprising if no board members are considering sacking him. Having said that, the article says that he still maintains the support of SAF and SBC. I think if we qualify against Olympiakos, win at West Ham, and put in a good performance against City, he will get back the support of the board. I don't see any of the three results materializing but I'm a pessimistic bastard so you never know.
It did say that the sources claim fergie isn't as sure of his support as before, basically it's wavering, understandably. Fergie would have enjoyed the Liverpool game that's for sure, and there's 1 man at fault for that.
Moyes should be getting better results as the squad learns his management style, it's actually getting worse with time, so yes no smoke without fire, and they should cut their losses now.
Be on the phone to one Jurgen Klopp, give him a hefty transfer budget and give him a nice beard comb as part of the deal.
David Moyes does not possess the type of personality or social intelligence that is required to enthuse and motivate men who consider themselves to be top professionals and who strive to achieve the highest accolades in their profession. I know people in the sport, and while David Moyes is considered to be hardworking by his peers he also has a reputation for communicating bluntly and with a gruff mannerism that typically causes others to react negatively - perhaps even disobediently or defiantly - to his orders. I could have used an alternative word to 'orders' but didn't on purpose.
Possessing the mental faculties required to communicate with young men who are wealthy and powerful but who also feel the stresses and demands that come with their careers in a globally recognized endeavour is a required characteristic for any man who aims to support and nurture their talents, and if that man does not have the self-awareness that's necessary to anticipate how his words and actions influence the performances of those who look in his direction for inspiration then that man should not be in such a critical position in the first place.
In the absence of intelligence or self-awareness, a man with charisma should be sought.
Possessing the mental faculties required to communicate with young men who are wealthy and powerful but who also feel the stresses and demands that come with their careers in a globally recognized endeavour is a required characteristic for any man who aims to support and nurture their talents, and if that man does not have the self-awareness that's necessary to anticipate how his words and actions influence the performances of those who look in his direction for inspiration then that man should not be in such a critical position in the first place.
In the absence of intelligence or self-awareness, a man with charisma should be sought.
Miguel Delaney is the one who wrote that ESPN article so there's definitely some element of truth there. He has sources inside the club.
You turned on him because Feeky called you out for your shit and you thought "damn, he's sexy, and he's right. I guess that's why they call him Right 'n' Sexy". Am I right? (and sexy?)
Some Liverpool fans, friends of mine are now calling him agent Moyes. I don't blame them.
Are we sure that SAF blames Moyes though? Nothing he has said so far suggests that. (Although, I honestly don't see what/who else he can blame!)
Klopp would be a dream come true. De Gea can give him some beard tips if need be.you're actually expecting some positive Moyes stories at the moment?
For example
Moyes should be proud to have already reached Everton's target with his new club
3-0 against 2nd place Liverpool. It could be worse
Paddy Crerand and Man United's coach brother Gary Neville have full faith in David Moyes
Are we sure that SAF blames Moyes though? Nothing he has said so far suggests that. (Although, I honestly don't see what/who else he can blame!)
They could start their own line of Beard Combs and Beard Shampoo, L'oreal Klopp, because you're worth it.
Most papers running same line. Hes in trouble now.
As i said, i expect he'll be removed on Thursday
As i said, i expect he'll be removed on Thursday
If anything is going to happen before the end of the season, it'll be a day or two after the City game at the latest.
I shiver at the thought of the name SAF will suggest next.
"I hope it's not because Manchester United won the league quite comfortably last season that the fixtures have been made much more difficult."
I forgot all about this gem. Seems so long ago. What a ride we've had so far.
It's not about the league finish now, it's more about pride and shame. Losing convincingly against closest rivals is a mistake that more often than not leads to firing the manager if he already is on the spot.
Madness if club remove on Thursday. They should have removed him on Sunday, so we have half a chance on Wednesday.
We all know why he was saving Young and Valencia for.
Whether we like it or not we must go in the Europa league. It will allow us some European exposure, its will help us pay the bills and we would look more credible than being out of Europe.
I personally think "I don't know what happened" is an acceptable excuse for a defeat. Just roll that one out every time David.
Get through the CL and I think he's safe. If our season is over this time next week, particularly if City do us over, and I'm starting to think that'll be that for Moyes.
Does he really? Interesting.
Then let's lose, I don't think we have any chance in the QF anyway, with him in charge...
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It depends. What if there's a great manager who is currently available but won't be available for long? (ex Van Gaal). I believe our current position is enough to make United think.
I hope so. Backed Moyes and gave him a chance and was content for a long time but our 2014 results and performances in particular have been devastating to take.
At some point the club has to step away from dreaming of the romantic story of Moyes coming good. At some point you need to remove the will for that to happen from your head and actually apply some real logic and analysis. That time has come and it's clear Moyes is out of his depth.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/columnists/mattdickinson/article4036764.ece
Glazers’ window of opportunity spells danger for David Moyes
The fact that we didn't sound out other candidates, or even interview Moyes to see if he was suitable, absolutely blows my mind. We must be the only multi-billion dollar business who has ever done something like that when changing the equivalent of the CEO.
Glazers’ window of opportunity spells danger for David Moyes
The fact that we didn't sound out other candidates, or even interview Moyes to see if he was suitable, absolutely blows my mind. We must be the only multi-billion dollar business who has ever done something like that when changing the equivalent of the CEO.
There was (LITERALLY) all of the best managers currently in the world available, of which all I expect would have joined us bar one or two. And we chose Moyes. Moyes needs to get sacked but I am concerned who's available to us right now. Buying Moyes out of his contract and paying compensation to another club for a top manager will also be expensive.
I don't think he will last long even if we win on Wednesday. If we scrape through Olympiakos with a West Brom sort of performance and result, then it will only take our inevitable dismantling at the hands of City and eventual CL failure I think. The season and DM are a write off. From that disaster of a transfer window till now is been a huge downwards spiral.
He can buy himself time with the odd decent performance against the lesser teams, but I don't think we will go on any sort of run that will suggest he will last the summer.
I don't want our last game in the UCL for some time to be a defeat to Olympiacos
I seriously doubt that we ever wanted Mourinho. Also every club is entitled to make mistakes.
My point is pretty simple. What if the club has noticed that they have messed up with Moyes in at least 2 ways (1- bringing an inexperienced manager, 2- bringing him so late in summer) and want to make sure it doesn't make the same mistake twice? Getting Van Gaal now may unsettle the side even more but would allow him to assess the squad before summer starts. Also would you trust Moyes with 150m?
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I agree, but will it be any more expensive than many more years out of the Champions League? A win/win would be if Moyes left to save face, or the Club have been wise enough to have a clause in his contract.
We are the victims of believing our own arrogant bullshit
Nope, I firmly agree that this is due to the manager. Because we're not playing well people see this as our new ceiling, when it's clearly not.
It's mind-boggling and goes against every hiring practice that makes sense. I can't believe the Glazers were so haphazard and let it happen the way it did.
The article is interesting but as someone who doesn't knows much about American football aside than the shape of the ball, I wonder how much the Glazer history can be applied to football. Is the "coach's" role in American football similar to the manager's in football? When they messed up the firing and hiring process as the article says, how did they do that? Did they hire someone inexperienced? Did they hire someone experienced but didn't back him in the market (they have a trade system so not sure how that works)? Did they exert pressure on the new coach a la Abrahimovich? It is hard to know what to expect based on their pattern unless one knows more about it. It is certainly something interesting to do some reading on.
Alan Partridge.
Alan Partridge.
Not even 8 minutes into the match....I give up
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