Moyes So Far!

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An Irish Red said:
The brainwashed types are saying that if we give him a hundred million to spend then we will get top four next year. That's how spectacularly low the expectations are from even the most optimistic of posters.

We beat palace and people on here were talking about how we've turned a corner and how great the performance was, when the exact same performance last year would have been lambasted.

Some people fall over themselves to blindly follow the man who is destroying our empire right in front of our eyes. He's useless and needs to be sacked now.
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I have to agree with this. Not a Manchester United manager , the club is simply to big for him. The players are not playing for him, he is tactically inept (all been said loads of times before).
Time to go now before the Olympiacos game. After the defeat on Sunday the next team we met would be in for hard time. I fear this will not happen.
If we go out on Wednesday, will he go? I somehow doubt it, yet if he went now I feel the team would respond and get the qualifaction or at least go down fighting.
Sorry Mr Moyes you are a nice enough bloke but have bitten off far more than you can chew
 
Steven Seagull said:
That's what I imagine is his biggest problem with giving players any confidence. He's just shit at talking. I bet he tells his wife she's ok and her new haircut is a little bit shorter. Dinner was edible, hopefully it will be again tomorrow. And he might take her to Barbados on holiday, but not this year, and they'll have to wait until the summer holidays which will be too busy, so maybe Butlins. Etc.
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He cooks dinner, burns it, then says 'I didn't see this coming, I'm not sure how it happens'. He loses at Poker, and says he needs to make himself 'harder to beat'. Oh, this could last all night...
 
bishblaize said:
I notice the Torygraph has a bunch of negative Moyes stories on show.

Manchester United's David Moyes' only hope for survival is Olympiakos victory
Manchester United players must save David Moyes from the sack after shameful Liverpool show
Contenders to replace David Moyes at Manchester United
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Gah, you can just feel the smugness streaming from Hansen there.

People are really milking this for all it's worth though, Danny Mills thinks it might be 10 years before we win another title apparently. I'd like to think we'd have sacked Moyes by that point.
 
#07 said:
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it s very difficult to say what s exactly is going on behind the scenes except that the end result of is shit. However i do find honingstein s claim to be plausible. Moreover when under stress ppl tend to make more mistakes. I don't buy all this 'moyes is clueless in tactics' i think it has to do more about delivery and communicating it to players. I sense the players still feeling the shock going from someone who used to get the most out of them to someone they re not in synch with. Having said that, it does not excuse someone like rvp strolling around yesterday.
 
Sandikan said:
We still have Wednesday.
If we go out there, then it's really just a procession until the end of the season.
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Fact of matter is, if we rid him before Wednesday (and have only Giggsy as a caretaker) we fans might feel more confident there is a chance we can go through.

With him still at the helm, chances are we would be as pathetic as against Liverpool. Before Sunday, we still believed that the players do not really need motivation from their manager to play a win at OT. We were wrong. Moyes has almost zero motivational effect on players, and he did not know why (by his own admission).
 
Colin129 said:
You could say the same thing about Giggs though, he has never coached before either. I was just surprised you were having a dig at Phil Neville, a vastly experienced PL player who has won most of what there is to win in the game, for no apparent reason. That doesn't necessarily make him a good coach, obviously, but then we have a manager who doesn't seem to know what he's doing and he's also has a lot of experience.
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I honestly wasn't having a dig at him. I just truly believe, that if it comes down to it, Giggs would get and command more respect than him. Personally, I don't like Phil Neville and have lost a bit of respect for him since the class of 92 came out but, his coaching is not the reason.
I honestly just believe, as a footballer, it would be hard for anyone to take a coach, who has never coached before, seriously at this level at any of the top clubs. Where Giggs is different for obvious reasons
 
We'll probably smash 5 past Olympiakos and give him a new contract.
 
dev1l said:
it s very difficult to say what s exactly is going on behind the scenes except that the end result of is shit. However i do find honingstein s claim to be plausible. Moreover when under stress ppl tend to make more mistakes. I don't buy all this 'moyes is clueless in tactics' i think it has to do more about delivery and communicating it to players. I sense the players still feeling the shock going from someone who used to get the most out of them to someone they re not in synch with. Having said that, it does not excuse someone like rvp strolling around yesterday.
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If reports about Giggsy falling out with Moyes and did not attend coaches meeting any more (quoting Moyes did not listen!), then you can imagine how players' reaction to him (the lack of plan A or Plan B is very very difficult to understand! He looks like he did not know what to do with anything, and at the same time did not listen to experienced players like Giggsy who has a whole cabinet of medals to show!?)
 
redevil2 said:
If reports about Giggsy falling out with Moyes and did not attend coaches meeting any more (quoting Moyes did not listen!), then you can imagine how players' reaction to him (the lack of plan A or Plan B is very very difficult to understand! He looks like he did not know what to do with anything, and at the same time did not listen to experienced players like Giggsy who has a whole cabinet of medals to show!?)
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lots of ifs and buts in your argument. You put emphasis on giggs not being on good terms with moyes - something which has been rebuffed
 
dev1l said:
lots of ifs and buts in your argument. You put emphasis on giggs not being on good terms with moyes - something which has been rebuffed
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There are too many rumours for some of them not to be true and far too many PR exercises coming out of OT.
 
#07 said:
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Odgen needs to stop with this shite.

Honestly, Moyes could only attract more criticism if he started playing Giggs in a two man midfield, a decision that cost Ferguson games almost every time he was played there. Giggs should be nowhere near the pitch.
 
Kag said:
Odgen needs to stop with this shite.

Honestly, Moyes could only attract more criticism if he started playing Giggs in a two man midfield, a decision that cost Ferguson games almost every time he was played there. Giggs should be nowhere near the pitch.
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Manchester United is easy press this year, tomorrow it'll be about how the kit man leaving resulted in all the kits being shrunk in the wash or some crap, and how morale was low
 
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evra said:
When is this nightmare going to end? I half thought that Moyes would fall on his sword yesterday, if we cannot overturn the deficit on Wednesday then that will surely spell the end.
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It's torturous. I thought he'd be gone by now.
 
Good to see the press are beginning to turn on him, please let the match-going crowd follow suit. Many journalists seem to be under the impression that the fans are staying loyal when in fact 95 % want him out. Let's not postpone the inevitable.
 
I find myself praying he doesn't survive Wednesday. It has gotten beyond bad at this stage, the dinosaurs on the board need to act!
 
MJJ said:
Replace one of rvp/rooney with mata and put a winger there. Problem solved.
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I'd play Welbeck up top, over one of RVP and Rooney to at least give us some threat in behind. Then I'd have Young or Nani on the right with Mata playing from the left in a Giggs 06/07 floating role. With Welbeck upfront you at least have the pace and versatility for him to come out to the flank and Evra on the overlap to make up for Mata playing an in field role
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I find myself praying he doesn't survive Wednesday. It has gotten beyond bad at this stage, the dinosaurs on the board need to act!
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Fergie is already drafting up list of successors, must be british, preferably scottish, that rules out every world class coach.
 
Hand on heart, does anyone reckon he'll be sacked after Wednesday? I honestly believe if Klopp was to become available tomorrow we'd still persist with Moyes. I finding this all very disheartening.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
There are too many rumours for some of them not to be true and far too many PR exercises coming out of OT.
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true but we all know that united news,whether good or bad,sells papers. And papers are exceptionally good at creating storms in teacups. It is understandable that someone like giggs for eg is frustrated and shows signs of it but transforming that in the ghost of OT required a bit of imagination:)
 
Kag said:
Odgen needs to stop with this shite.

Honestly, Moyes could only attract more criticism if he started playing Giggs in a two man midfield, a decision that cost Ferguson games almost every time he was played there. Giggs should be nowhere near the pitch.
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The press have been kind to him, but even they are turning. Once they smell blood they will constantly put the boot in.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The press have been kind to him, but even they are turning. Once they smell blood they will constantly put the boot in.
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The press need to work new angles, they turned on the players at first, now it's Moyes, they just need something to print.
 
I didn't think much of it at the time but in hindsight that Welbeck interview was damning.

A manager comes out and says that he's told a player that he needs to train more, only for the player to come out a few days later and pretty much contradict the manager's version of events.

Really shows how little influence Moyes has with the players.
 
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I forgot about him ticking off Wellbeck in public. I bet those of us who've had a bad or disliked boss can empathise with the situation in the dressing room right now It only takes one or two members of staff to fall foul of an unpopular manager and before you know it, the whole group is bitching about him. Productivity and performance fall, bad mouthing takes place, people leave and the situation deteriorates until there is a massive bust-up or cock-up. Its called group dynamics, he's got the whole team performing AGAINST him now.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The press have been kind to him, but even they are turning. Once they smell blood they will constantly put the boot in.
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To be honest, the media finally turning on him is the best thing that can happen in getting rid of Moyes. Increases pressure on him and the board. It would really then make it sink or swim
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I didn't think much of it at the time but in hindsight that Welbeck interview was damning.

A manager comes out and says that he's told a player that he needs to train more, only for the player to come out a few days later and pretty much contradict the manager's version of events.

Really shows how little influence Moyes has with the players.
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Welbeck has always struck me as someone who wants to do really well for United, so Moyes calling him out like that was not nice.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
In all seriousness I'm becoming extremely disillusioned with United now. I can't feel positive or excited about the club until this man is gone. It's breaking my heart.
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Do you still think the club will give him another year, I not so sure they will now. They just can't, it would set us back 5 years.
 
dev1l said:
lots of ifs and buts in your argument. You put emphasis on giggs not being on good terms with moyes - something which has been rebuffed
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I did say if reports are true...

Although without concrete evidence (i.e. Either Giggsy or Moyes being interviewed and asked specifically) we as outsiders will be able to deduce what happened behind the scene. Giggsy has not been featured (to play) for a long while and we all know that Giggsy still has something to offer (in fact more than just something to offer with his experience and when needed to be subbed in etc)....

Between Giggsy and Moyes, I know who I would trust more to ask questions and borrow brains when Man United is concerned.
 
Getsme said:
Do you still think the club will give him another year, I not so sure they will now. They just can't, it would set us back 5 years.
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Klopp could become available tomorrow and we'd still persist with Moyes I think. I hope I'm wrong but I've seen no signs from the club that they're even considering sacking him.
 
Getsme said:
Do you still think the club will give him another year, I not so sure they will now. They just can't, it would set us back 5 years.
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I'm nearly sure that he's already set us back 5 years within the space of a few months.
 
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