This is starting to feel like the end of days.
Moyes So Far!
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If anybody reads Red Issue the latest edition makes for some interesting reading. If true, I'm certain mooted will be gone by summer.
Their latest tweet sounds very interesting also, if anyone is in their sanctuary if they could give further info?
Their latest tweet sounds very interesting also, if anyone is in their sanctuary if they could give further info?
I shall believe what I will, for instance I'm certainly not going to believe that David Moyes told Rio Ferdinand to play more like Phil Jagielka, that seems like a deliberately made up story playing on the eejits who think he's Evertonising us.
Same, starting to feel a little optimistic for next season without the guy dragging us down
Nobody will break forum rules mate.
Fingers crossed. I hope the players have given him a right rollicking.
This post is wifey material in a world of drunk tarts at 3am on a Sunday morning.
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Incidentally, let's say that the story actually is true:
1) Our defending actually has been poor for about two seasons. Remember the year we lost the title to City because we kept on blowing 2-0 leads like they were sawdust?
2) IIRC Gary Neville said they hated Quieroz's defensive/positioning sessions in the lead-up to the Barca tie. Christ, defensive training is the most whinge-inducing for Sunday league teams as well. Of course players aren't going to jump for joy at doing multiple hour's worth of off-the-ball training. Particularly at a club like United where that's not something they're used to.
3) Giggs hasn't exactly been in the good books of many fans for ages now. He's overstaying his welcome as a player and, in truth, we don't know how effective he is as a coach. If this was, oh I don't know, let's say John Terry throwing a wobbly at AVB's methods we'd laugh at how much of a joke the player power was. Literally the only part of this that works is it being Giggs vs Moyes as the story feeds off of the dynamic between the two. United stalwart vs inept manager.
4) If coaches were openly doubting the manager's decisions you'd think the media would jump on the story. Daniel Taylor at the Guardian seems to have some fantastic sources at the club. The only reason I can think of this being true but not going reported is because there's a bigger story enveloping it all. For example, Moyes knows he's gone at the season and we've briefed the media to keep them respectful; giving them exclusive interviews in kind.
What's that got to do with Phil Neville?
Some facts about Phil:
Came to United in 1990
First team 1995-2005 (only cemented his place once Dennis Irwin retired, enough said)
Played more games for United than Everton
His own brother considered him the better natural sportsman, excelling at both football & cricket.
6 x PL titles
3 x FA cups
1 x CL
He may not be a legend of the calibre of Giggsy, but then not many are, but he knows a dam sight more about what it means to be at United than Moyes.
It almost sounds like you didn't start supporting United until after he went to Everton, even if that were true, you should still know of his contribution to the club whilst he was here.
And the thing is, much of the footballing press are still quite reluctant to in their criticism of Moyes even at this late stage, they'd sooner brush a story like this under the carpet or spin it to advantage.
Yeah didn't think so
Probably for the best too, RI are pretty reliable and they'd so with the good rumours if people did
Let's hope they give themselves one too whilst they're at it.
Everybody is a armchair expert.The Glazers are unmoved .So people can type blogs as long as they like ,he's not going anywhere in a hurry.
Adrian Durham's theme for Drivetime:
"Is it time for Moyes to do a Keegan?"
"Is it time for Moyes to do a Keegan?"
I can't believe you listen to that crap Nick...
They've been getting it in the neck all season long. They've had their fair share.
Rules are in place for good reason. Its worth the investment though.
Oh does it sound like that? Well, considering I've been a match goer since I was 4 years of age, it would suggest you know shag all about what it sounds like!! Don't make stupid assumptions and insulting digs like that!
Phil Neville never cemented any place! Once Irwin left, Silvestre and O Shea took his place.
Phil Neville is a first team coach at Manchester United, despite never having coached before. How can them players honestly listen to a coach who has never coached before?? Just because he knows what it means to be at United, it doesn't make him a good coach and gives him a free pass with the players
I normally catch the preliminaries after listening to a bit of Hawksbee and Jacobs, i could never listen to Drivetime in its entirety.
Absolutely, the players revolting at the biggest club in England, they certainly wouldn't want to print that story would they, that wouldn't help sell papers at all. Maybe they're not printing it because, and here's a novel idea, it simply isn't true? Oh look, Giggs has denied he's fallen out with Moyes, isn't that a massive shock.
True, but something not been true has never stopped a story been printed before
I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that he said a throwaway comment which has been blown out of proportion. Jagielka is a slow defender too so maybe he said "In this situation Jagielka would usually do this", trying to explain something to Rio which Rio obviously took badly.
It's a problem with Moyes' lack of experience at a top team, that Jagielka is the best example he can give.
It has with decent journalists who actually have proper links to the club they wish to keep. Both Taylor and Ogden clearly have sources at the club, neither appear to be big fans of Moyes, if there was even a hint of the biggest footballing story of the season developing then not only would they know about it, they'd print it too, they have no reason not to.
Good points...In this day and age, with social media and information easily accessible, it's hard to know what to believe...Especially when we're going through an unbelievable season ha
I actually think that was in 2010/11 and we ended up winning the league that year!
Last season our defending was poor for months, but far improved in the second half of the season.
What experience could Rodgers call on then? "Come on Luis, finish like Danny Graham." It's absolutely absurd, and I refuse to believe it's in any way true considering it fits exactly into the "Moyes is turning us into Everton" agenda that is rife amongst his detractors. There's enough to criticise Moyes for without throwing baseless conjecture into the mix too.
Well we don't yet know the composition of this revolt if it did indeed occur, for instance the involvement of Rio and or RVP would dilute its importance for some reporters. There have been journalists running interference for months so doing a 180 isn't something they'll rush at i'd imagine.
It also has to be remembered that the better writers can't go with every rumour they hear even if they have reason to believe its veracity, a fanzine is unlikely to have such standards/constraints.
Its worth understanding that papers can't just print any story, regardless of whether it true or not. There's a relationship that goes two ways between the club and the papers. If a journo prints a story the club don't want them to, they can prevent him from getting access to club sources, which can put the journalist out of business. The club can't push it too far though, because the newspapers can be a source of positive press as well as negative press. If the newspapers turn against a manager, they can force him out.
A good example is with gay footballers. There are plenty of gay footballers, and no doubt there are kiss and tell stories out there. But no newspaper would run with the story because the clubs would pull ranks and that journalist would be out of a career.
In that case we probably all agree that's okay. Outing gay footballers is hardly a good thing. But there are other stories that are harder for the club to justify blocking.
Editors at newspapers know all sorts of gossip, not all of it hits the papers. Not every football who has an affair gets their story published. Every time there's a big scoop, they have to make a judgement call on whether or not something is big enough news, if there's enough proof or if their colleagues in the press are sufficiently behind them to justify making it public. Get it wrong and the paper can be damaged.
I understand how the press works, but this isn't just any story, this is apparently a major dressing room bust-up and an irreparable falling out with Ryan Giggs, no journalist would sit on it in exchange for future access, what story are they going to be given in the future that's bigger than this? Either it quite simply isn't true and is made up by a fanzine looking for hits, or the source is extremely tenuous and not worth taking the risk over, I suspect it's probably the latter, and the story isn't worth the attention it's being given. I know many are desperate for Moyes to be sacked, but it certainly isn't happening before Wednesday, and I have my doubts over whether it's going to be happening anytime before Christmas regardless of future results.
The brainwashed types are saying that if we give him a hundred million to spend then we will get top four next year. That's how spectacularly low the expectations are from even the most optimistic of posters.
We beat palace and people on here were talking about how we've turned a corner and how great the performance was, when the exact same performance last year would have been lambasted.
Some people fall over themselves to blindly follow the man who is destroying our empire right in front of our eyes. He's useless and needs to be sacked now.
I notice the Torygraph has a bunch of negative Moyes stories on show.
Manchester United's David Moyes' only hope for survival is Olympiakos victory
Manchester United players must save David Moyes from the sack after shameful Liverpool show
Contenders to replace David Moyes at Manchester United
Manchester United's David Moyes' only hope for survival is Olympiakos victory
Manchester United players must save David Moyes from the sack after shameful Liverpool show
Contenders to replace David Moyes at Manchester United
You could say the same thing about Giggs though, he has never coached before either. I was just surprised you were having a dig at Phil Neville, a vastly experienced PL player who has won most of what there is to win in the game, for no apparent reason. That doesn't necessarily make him a good coach, obviously, but then we have a manager who doesn't seem to know what he's doing and he's also has a lot of experience.
That's what I imagine is his biggest problem with giving players any confidence. He's just shit at talking. I bet he tells his wife she's ok and her new haircut is a little bit shorter. Dinner was edible, hopefully it will be again tomorrow. And he might take her to Barbados on holiday, but not this year, and they'll have to wait until the summer holidays which will be too busy, so maybe Butlins. Etc.
If he can't give any confidence in front of the media who he's been dealing with for years, how is he going to tell superstars they are better than this. Oh wait, he doesn't. Quite the opposite in fact.
Records...
The more depressing thing is in knowing that between now and Wednesday, Moyes is not studying tactics and method in how to tackle the deficit against Olympiakos (to motivate and encourage his players how to play to win it 3-0 at OT) but instead he would be using all his energy to make sure we do not concede at OT, whilst not having a plan B in case something goes terribly wrong.
If you ask him now about how to play Olympiakos, he probably will say, "it's difficult to understand.. I have seen my players training well and are prepared". How? "We will improve to make sure we are hard to beat"
Has he been sacked yet?
It will be good to know if Moyes has this records stick to his face and be asked questions WHY he turns some Champions into a pathetic state we are in now.
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