Moyes So Far!

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Amir said:
We've got a chance, but between Moyes not being very good at having to commit to attack and our defensive problems, there's so much that can go wrong it's almost madness to expect 3-0 or 4-1.
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It would be a surprise to see a good performance and heavy win, but not unrealistic. I hope.

I actually meant to post that in the Match thread, not got my head screwed on today!
 
If he did get sacked, which won't even be a chance of for another 9months or so, he'd probably take stock and disappear for 6months, watching a lot of games.

Then he'd turn back up at a Stoke/Villa/Sunderland type of club, and they'd suddenly become a tough to beat team we hate playing again.
 
LonelyFire said:
? Do you think Utd are that incompetent from a business perspective?
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I worry that Ferguson would have had a big say in the type of contract United offered him and would have felt that any clauses would have undermined his authority and control.
 
Pexbo said:
I worry that Ferguson would have had a big say in the type of contract United offered him and would have felt that any clauses would have undermined his authority and control.
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I can't see them giving him a contract as relaxed as that.
 
Pexbo said:
I worry that Ferguson would have had a big say in the type of contract United offered him and would have felt that any clauses would have undermined his authority and control.
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Yep, I'm the same. While the idea that we'd just give him a free run without any clauses in the contract is poor business, it's seeming more and more like hiring Moyes at all was terrible business in itself.
 
Crackers said:
I can't see them giving him a contract as relaxed as that.
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I honestly doubt it was in anyone's mind that we would be in this position and therefore they never thought to put the clauses in. I mean, who the hell thought we'd slip down to 7th and out of Europe next season and lose at Old Trafford in both the domestic cups to opposition we should beat and get the easiest draw in the UCL knockouts and feck that up too?
 
Nate Dogg said:
If he was sacked does anyone think he will secure another job within the next 6 months?

I personally think his reputation has been badly hit that even club like Palace or Hull will not hire him, he might have to go to a championship club to rebuild his confidence and reputation.
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I think that a lot of midtable clubs would be interested on him, and I think that very likely he would be in a new job in EPL within 6 months of his sack.

The clubs which I don't think wouldn't be interested on him are Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Southampton and possibly Newcastle. The other 11 clubs would jump on the chance to get him when they would sack their current manager. Despite his terrible job here - which I think thas potential to be reminded as the worst ever managerial spell - he has done a very good job at Everton which woud secure him another job in EPL.
 
Crackers said:
The Glazers have fired three NFL coaches for not meeting min requirements, Raheem Morris in 2012, Greg Schiano in 2013 , and Monte Kiffin in 2009. They're smart enough to write min requirements in their contracts, so I imagine Moyes has just the same.
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Did they have the previous manager of 25 odd years sitting on the board telling them it's all fine though? In a sport they know sh!T all about?
 
Revan said:
I think that a lot of midtable clubs would be interested on him, and I think that very likely he would be in a new job in EPL within 6 months of his sack.

The clubs which I don't think wouldn't be interested on him are Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Southampton and possibly Newcastle. The other 11 clubs would jump on the chance to get him when they would sack their current manager. Despite his terrible job here - which I think thas potential to be reminded as the worst ever managerial spell - he has done a very good job at Everton which woud secure him another job in EPL.
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Hodgson went into the England job not too much later, so failing at United isn't going to end him!

Bloody hell there's worse teams to fail at! Try failing at League 2 level and working again!
 
Sandikan said:
Hodgson went into the England job not too much later, so failing at United isn't going to end him!

Bloody hell there's worse teams to fail at! Try failing at League 2 level and working again!
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Well, I agree. I said exactly the same thing.
 
Pexbo said:
I honestly doubt it was in anyone's mind that we would be in this position and therefore they never thought to put the clauses in. I mean, who the hell thought we'd slip down to 7th and out of Europe next season and lose at Old Trafford in both the domestic cups to opposition we should beat and get the easiest draw in the UCL knockouts and feck that up too?
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I imagine missing out on CL football won't be a guaranteed reason to sack him, but it's probably some form of stipulation that weakens Moyes' tenancy here.
 
Sandikan said:
Did they have the previous manager of 25 odd years sitting on the board telling them it's all fine though? In a sport they know sh!T all about?
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That's my worry, that they rely too heavily on Sir Alex and Sir Bobby.
 
Pexbo said:
I honestly doubt it was in anyone's mind that we would be in this position and therefore they never thought to put the clauses in. I mean, who the hell thought we'd slip down to 7th and out of Europe next season and lose at Old Trafford in both the domestic cups to opposition we should beat and get the easiest draw in the UCL knockouts and feck that up too?
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You work on proviso that such clauses are not standard across any contract - even SAF.

I just do not believe club would be that naive. SAF may have influence but not when it comes to that kind of contractual detail.
 
If the Glazers were so swayed by SAF that they didn't even include clauses, they should bloody fire themselves before Moyes...
 
SteveJ said:
If the Glazers were so swayed by SAF that they didn't even include clauses, they should bloody fire themselves before Moyes...
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Or fire both Moyes and Fergie and then sell the club because they don't have a clue how to continue. Not a very bad scenario, taking all things into account.
 
LonelyFire said:
? Do you think Utd are that incompetent from a business perspective?
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We haven't exactly signed a new manager since, oh, 1986. Who knows.

In all honesty, though, he's already spent 65m on two players and has cost us tens of millions in CL money, plus a little on our final placing in the Premier League. Now we're talking about 100m+ of spending money. Even if we have to pay him full salary for five years, it'll be worth it financially.
 
I've refreshed this thread about a hundred and fifty times today, each time hoping that their would be breaking news about us fecking firing him.
 
It will all come down to whether the Glazer's believe that Moyes is going to hurt them financially. All this talk about our style of play and where we are in the league is completely pointless, they don't give rat's arse how about United and how we're doing, their only concern is their investment.
 
LonelyFire said:
Given its not happened today it will be Thursday at earliest now.
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There are two ways now:

We beat Olympiakos and qualify, he's hailed a hero and a lot of fans are happy with him suddenly in spite of the fact that it's perfectly normal to expect United to knock Olympiakos out. We go out in the next round but Moyes is given another year.

Or we go out to Olympiakos but he has to stay because he needs at least another season to make it right as well as a couple hundred million to replace perfectly good players like Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez with players who aren't even better but suit Moyes more because they are HIS players.
 
RORY65 said:
It will all come down to whether the Glazer's believe that Moyes is going to hurt them financially. All this talk about our style of play and where we are in the league is completely pointless, they don't give rat's arse how about United and how we're doing, their only concern is their investment.
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Our market value and financial potential is obviously connected to how well we are doing on the pitch so of course they care. If we struggle to make top 4 in each of the next 6 seasons under Moyes our value and marketing worth will drop significantly, there are no two ways about it.
 
Sarni said:
There are two ways now:

We beat Olympiakos and qualify, he's hailed a hero and a lot of fans are happy with him suddenly in spite of the fact that it's perfectly normal to expect United to knock Olympiakos out. We go out in the next round but Moyes is given another year.

Or we go out to Olympiakos but he has to stay because he needs at least another season to make it right as well as a couple hundred million to replace perfectly good players like Kagawa, Nani and Hernandez with players who aren't even better but suit Moyes more because they are HIS players.
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Or we concede an away goal, go out on Wednesday and club take action on Thursday morning.
 
LonelyFire said:
Given its not happened today it will be Thursday at earliest now.
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Most likely scenario is next Wednesday. Losing at home to both Liverpool and city, as well as being knocked out to olympiacos, all within 10 days? That's ignoring away to west ham. He's got no hope IMO and the end is near.
 
Sarni said:
Our market value and financial potential is obviously connected to how well we are doing on the pitch so of course they care. If we struggle to make top 4 in each of the next 6 seasons under Moyes our value and marketing worth will drop significantly, there are no two ways about it.
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LonelyFire said:
Or we concede an away goal, go out on Wednesday and club take action on Thursday morning.
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2 scenarios that won't happen. He s not gonna get the sack this season nor they re gonna let him manage the club for another 5 years without cl.
my take is that they let him build his team and revalue the situation next january/feb. That would allow a potential new manager to work on signing new players for the next season
 
Sarni said:
Our market value and financial potential is obviously connected to how well we are doing on the pitch so of course they care. If we struggle to make top 4 in each of the next 6 seasons under Moyes our value and marketing worth will drop significantly, there are no two ways about it.
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Well that's true but I think people talking about isolated games or tactics are thinking more about it from a footballing point of view than the Glazer's will. I think if it's a similar situation come Christmas and the share price drops, then he's a goner. It's just the talk about us doing things differently or the roles of Ferguson and Charlton that I think are wrong, they're only interested in making as much money as they can. It seems for the moment that they're going to hold on to the manager but if it continues then it will seriously hurt our value and that will be the cue for Moyes' departure.
 
This is exactly why I hoped we dropped points against West Brom. That win eased far too much pressure on him in my opinion. It's like the media suddenly forgot he was completely useless. Same will happen if we manage a win on Wednesday and against West Ham.
 
dev1l said:
2 scenarios that won't happen. He s not gonna get the sack this season nor they re gonna let him manage the club for another 5 years without cl.
my take is that they let him build his team and revalue the situation next january/feb. That would allow a potential new manager to work on signing new players for the next season
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If we don't get through against Olympiacos and get humiliated again by City, he won't last the season. I think there's a lot to the thought that once top 4 qualification is mathematically out of the question, he'll get the chop.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Not sure if this has been posted but according to Danny Mills it could take Moyes a decade for us to win the league again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26607980
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That's a load of bollocks really. Moyes will be sacked soon enough and we'll go right back to competing for everything like we should be.
And even if moyes was given 10 years and an unlimited budget, he'd never win the league with his current ideas and the type of person he is. He's just not good enough and his type of football peaked where Everton was last season (as we see with united being in the same position despite having a much better team/squad and way more money.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Not sure if this has been posted but according to Danny Mills it could take Moyes a decade for us to win the league again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26607980
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He's a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime of epic proportions. If we get a proper pedigree manager in we will be challenging for the title again immediately next year considering we will have no CL to contend with.
 
Sixpence said:
He's a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime of epic proportions. If we get a proper pedigree manager in we will be challenging for the title again immediately next year considering we will have no CL to contend with.
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yeah..I worked briefly with Danny Mills....he just loves saying things to wind people up and be psuedo controversial.
 
The more I think about it the more it infuriates me.

WTF has Moyes done to become untouchable? We are sitting at 7th, knocked out of all cups, have just been dicked by the Scouse at OT and are expected to turn around a 2-0 deficit against fecking Olympiacos of all teams. It feels like the club is owned by some despotic dictator who's put his son in charge, even if he runs the club to the ground he can do no wrong.

The frustration, I need to sit down everytime I think about it.
 
Kaos said:
The more I think about it the more it infuriates me.

WTF has Moyes done to become untouchable? We are sitting at 7th, knocked out of all cups, have just been dicked by the Scouse at OT and are expected to turn around a 2-0 deficit against fecking Olympiacos of all teams. It feels like the club is owned by some despotic dictator who's put his son in charge, even if he runs the club to the ground he can do no wrong.

The frustration, I need to sit down everytime I think about it.
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Exactly. Without a shadow of a doubt any other big club would've sacked him.
 
I just can't understand how he's still our manager. Pick any top club from any league in Europe, they would have sacked their manager before Christmas with the kind of results Moyes is producing. Premier league winners who ran away with the title end up 7th, struggling to win against bottom sides and getting humiliated by every team in the top 4. Truly unacceptable. Have our standards dropped so much to accept being 7th in the league?

Some people are also talking about the club being in a transition. I don't see Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern having these kind of transitions. It doesn't matter who we sign next summer, I can only see a repeat of this season if Moyes doesn't go.
 
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