Moyes So Far!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sandikan said:
That's the only small joy a sacking would bring. A new manager would have a lot easier time than Moyes has had, who would in effect be the patsy to Fergie's incredible reign.
Click to expand...
Exactly, SAF should not have given Moyes the job, it was an impossible job for him. He had to hit the ground running. Any new manager just has to get us playing well and he has done better than Moyes.
 
pixel.gif
http://isiphotos.photoshelter.com/g....kZctgAsUKI/I0000qq9OUd2SSO8/C0000t.yXyUX2egk

This photo :(
 
I think he's doomed. We've got West Ham away after Olympiacos. Then it's City home. This in a space of 6 days. If we go out in the CL I can see us losing the next two easily. He won't survive that, surely?
 


Anyone got Times? Someone able to summarise Ducker's piece?
 
It would be pointless in sacking Moyes now, especially as most of the backroom and coaching staff are his men so there isn't really anyone in house that looks like they can take over. Getting rid in the summer would be the obvious move but I get why some people want rid now. I do too, just to ease my nerves that we will get rid of at all. The season is bad enough without having the horrible feeling that he's going to carry on in the job, no matter what.
 
#07 said:


Anyone got Times? Someone able to summarise Ducker's piece?
Click to expand...

David De Gea 6

Could do little about Gerrard’s first two penalties and made an outstanding save to deny Suárez.

Rafael Da Silva 6

Extremely fortunate not to be sent off for handball moments after being booked for a foul, but still United’s best player.

Phil Jones 5

Bullied and bamboozled by Liverpool’s attack, not least Suárez. A bruising experience for the England defender.

Nemanja Vidic 5

Sent off for the fourth time against Liverpool; another afternoon to convince the defender he is making the right decision by leaving.

Patrice Evra 5

Routinely pegged back by Liverpool’s attack, it was hard to remember the Frenchman venturing forward.

Michael Carrick 4

Younger than Gerrard yet looked like a pensioner by comparison. Another big game that passed the England midfielder by.

Marouane Fellaini 4

So ponderous he looked leaden-footed. The Belgian was bypassed with alarming ease by Liverpool’s midfield.

Juan Mata 4

Shunted out to the right flank once again, the £37.1 million Spaniard bought from Chelsea barely got into the game.

Wayne Rooney 5

No wonder the England forward described this as one of his worst days in football. Frustration personified.

Adnan Januzaj 5

Got short change out of Liverpool’s full backs, although the winger at least appeared to be trying.

Robin van Persie 4

If this is the Dutchman when he is happy, it would be worrying to imagine him when he is not. Anonymous.

Liverpool (4-3-1-2)

Simon Mignolet 7

Unemployed other than making an outstanding reflex save to deny Rooney in the closing stages of the first half.

Glen Johnson 8

Perhaps fortunate not to concede a penalty but raided up and down the right flank with menace. Excellent.

Martin Skrtel 8

Two tremendous blocks in quick succession to thwart Van Persie and Rooney. An utterly dominant display.

Daniel Agger 8

The Dane was a model of composure alongside Skrtel, with Van Persie and Rooney put firmly in their place.

Jon Flanagan 8

His exuberance occasionally threatened to boil over, but this was another coming-of-age display from him.

Jordan Henderson 8

Apparently Sir Alex Ferguson ruled out signing him because of his gait. He would walk into this United team.

Steven Gerrard 9

Denied a hat-trick of converted penalties when he hit a post with his third spot-kick, but a great day for the captain nonetheless.

Joe Allen 8

Won the second penalty and was impressive, helping to ensure that Liverpool’s midfield were superior in every aspect

Raheem Sterling 8

Deployed behind Suarez and Sturridge, his cunning and running had United regularly on the back foot.

Daniel Sturridge 7
His tendency to hold on to the ball for too long can be infuriating, but kept United’s defence stretched.

Luis Suárez 8
Industrious without quite reaching his usual levels of inspiration. Tireless running, won the first penalty and scored.
Click to expand...
 
It's as if Moyes has planted a giant ant nest at the heart of Old Trafford and it's gotten so bad, we're at the point of no return. I mean, who the hell appoints Phil Neville full stop? never mind at a club like Manchester United.
 
it just gets better for dithering dave.....
David Moyes slammed for showing no interest in young players
Manchester United boss David Moyes did not care about the youth team or young players while he was managing Everton, according to the Toffees’ Under-18s manager Kevin Sheedy.

Sheedy, who was tweeting hours after Manchester United were beaten 3-0 by Liverpool at Old Trafford, told his 8,300 followers: “In my 7 years moyes showed no intereset (sic) in our youth team”.

He added: “All of you out there moyes was never interested in our youth team or players”.

Both tweets have now been deleted; however, Sheedy also replied to comments and questions made by his followers about Moyes’s management style, while a tweet saying “Punt the ball up to Fellaini. Great viewing,” remains on his timeline.

When one user stated, “heard you didn’t like moyes an (sic) he wasn’t interested in youth players,” Sheedy responded: “Correct on both counts”.

The former Republic of Ireland international, who played 314 matches for Everton during the 1980s and early 90s, also confirmed that Moyes’s refusal to consider young players ‘did his head in’.

All of this hardly makes for good reading for Manchester United supporters, whose club are renowned for nurturing talented young players and helping them develop into world beaters. Moyes has, however, played a key role in bringing through the gifted Belgium-born winger Adnan Januzaj since he replaced Sir Alex Ferguson at Old Trafford.

However, his handling of England international Wilfried Zaha, who joined the Red Devils in a £15m move from Crystal Palace last year, has concerned pockets of Manchester United faithful.

http://www.givemesport.com/443101-david-moyes-slammed-for-showing-no-interest-in-young-players?tg=manchester%20united
 
Anyone see that Kevin Sheedy stuff on Moyes? Pretty damning, especially for those who claim that taking through younger players was one of his major qualities.
 
Those marks are ridiculously over-the-top; he might as well have just written: 'Liverpool were much better than United'.
 
Baxter said:
Anyone see that Kevin Sheedy stuff on Moyes? Pretty damning, especially those who claim that taking through younger players was one of his major qualities.
Click to expand...

He might well be right but his remarks make him seem like a Sherwood-type intellectual.
 

Thanks mate I actually copied the wrong tweet (daft I know). What's he saying here:

 
Good grief, it's a moron's paradise these days. Don't get me wrong, I've 0.1% remaining faith in Moyes but just because - yet again - Rodgers is playing to the fans (with his remarks about Anfield), it doesn't mean that BR is a natural 'big club' manager.
 
#07 said:
Thanks mate I actually copied the wrong tweet (daft I know). What's he saying here:

Click to expand...

Whereas Brendan Rodgers talks and thinks like the manager of a big club, it is becoming increasingly hard to make the same case for David Moyes. In the space of a few revealing minutes in Rodgers’s post-match press conference yesterday, the Liverpool manager succeeded in damning his Manchester United counterpart on three occasions while offering an insight into his own mentality and meticulous methods. It was a masterclass in the art of the clever put-down, a performance bettered only by that of his players.

Rodgers was probably only saying what United supporters were thinking when he expressed bewilderment at Moyes’s admission on the eve of the game that Liverpool would arrive at Old Trafford as favourites, but it was cutting all the same.

“I would never say that at Liverpool, even if I was bottom of the league,” Rodgers said. “Anfield is Anfield — we expect to win.”

When Rodgers’s remark was later put to Moyes, his response that “any average person probably would have said the same thing” merely seemed to reinforce certain fears harboured about the Scot. It should not need spelling out, but the point is that Moyes is not “any average person” — he is the United manager, and at the moment he is projecting the image, at best, of a man who hopes not to lose rather than one who expects to win.

Of course, supporters might accept Moyes not talking a good game, despite the air of vulnerability it invites, if there was evidence of a cohesive game plan. Whereas Rodgers had clearly given much thought to how he would set up his team to best hurt United, though, there seemed to be a complete absence of strategy from Moyes.

Liverpool had deployed Raheem Sterling at the apex of a midfield diamond for the first time this season. Because United’s centre-half pairing sit so deep, Rodgers explained how he believed there would be space in behind the champions’ midfield to exploit, which Sterling did to dizzying effect before the England winger made way for Philippe Coutinho in the 72nd minute with Liverpool 2-0 up.

In the 3-0 win away to Southampton a fortnight earlier, Rodgers had done the opposite, starting Coutinho in that position and bringing on Sterling later. Horses for courses, then. What was Moyes’s ploy? Even if he had rather naively believed that Marouane Fellaini and Michael Carrick could compete against Liverpool’s superior midfield trio of Steven Gerrard, Jordan Henderson and Joe Allen, why did the manager not change things when it became abundantly clear that United were being overwhelmed in midfield?

At times, it was almost excruciating to watch Carrick and Fellaini, ponderous and immobile, bypassed by the neat, incisive interplay of Henderson and Allen, who always had an outlet in Sterling and Luis Suárez. By contrast, Adnan Januzaj, Wayne Rooney and Juan Mata seemed to be operating in a tactical straitjacket ahead of the midfield.

United have only beaten one of the Barclays Premier League’s present top nine this season. Liverpool also struggled against sides in the top half last term, but at least there were encouraging signs in many of those games, not least the 2-2 draws at home and away to Manchester City. Talk of an inferiority complex fits a certain agenda, but it was misleading and, of course, it has been positively obliterated this season.

Yesterday’s emphatic victory was by no means an isolated incident: Liverpool won 5-0 away to Tottenham Hotspur and 4-0 and 5-1 at home to Everton and Arsenal respectively. Their big-game mentality is being re-forged under Rodgers.

At United, those deep wells of resilience that were a given under Sir Alex Ferguson have eroded at an alarming speed under Moyes. And as Rodgers was at pains to point out, the situation he was faced with at Anfield was “incomparable” to that inherited by Moyes at Old Trafford. “He’s obviously come in when they were champions, with world-class players,” Rodgers said. “Liverpool were eighth when I came in.” Ouch.

Issues of quality aside, where is the fight, the defiance in this United team? Rooney had said that “there will be no more backward steps”, but you have to wonder how much farther they have to fall — and how much more powerless will Moyes be made to look in the process? This was like Athens all over again and many thought it could not get worse than that 2-0 defeat by Olympiacos.

Amid the gloom at Old Trafford yesterday, it should be noted that the United supporters camped in the Stretford End were magnificent. For the final 15 minutes of the game, with their team down to ten men and being picked apart, they were the embodiment of defiance, belting out chorus after chorus of “20 times” — a reference to the number of league titles the club have won, in pointed contrast to Liverpool’s 18.

Yet it was perhaps telling that, when Moyes began applauding those fans as he approached the tunnel, very few turned to clap the manager. Most kept their eyes firmly on the Liverpool supporters on the opposite side. This was less a show of support for Moyes and more about keeping up appearances in view of reviled rivals.

Should United exit the Champions League on Wednesday, stumble at Upton Park on Saturday and lose at home to Manchester City three days later, though, the mood may be very different.
Click to expand...
 
Shark22 said:
I just can't stand the sight of his clueless face next to Moyes. Mouth wide open and staring into space.
Click to expand...

:lol:

Him and round do take being gormless on the bench to another level. And people though Phelan was bad.
 

Thanks. Seems like the mainstream press have finally got it on Moyes. Painful to see anyone at United negatively compared with someone at Liverpool and be unable to answer back, but Rodgers is clearly a better manager than Moyes.
 
#07 said:
Thanks. Seems like the mainstream press have finally got it on Moyes. Painful to see anyone at United negatively compared with someone at Liverpool and be unable to answer back, but Rodgers is clearly a better manager than Moyes.
Click to expand...

Rodgers has a mentality which he seeks to enfore, a passing game. You can see that in his approach. Alot of people don't seem to know what Moyes's approach his.
 
Good to see that about 3 months late the press have finally caught on about Moyes. Hopefully the increased pressure they bring will lead to his dismissal.
 
Eamonn Holmes ‏@EamonnHolmes 23 t
What will it take before somebody at Man United ends this death by a thousand home defeats ? We all know what has to be done - just do it.


One of Fergie's mates - dunno if it is worth reading anything into that tweet.
 
It may have been better for Moyes had the press turned sooner. For much of the season he was given a free ride and his decisions and comments were given a pass, he's been allowed to make stupid decisions and bring us down unchallenged while everyone buys into his comments about it being inevitable. Had he been under some pressure early on he might have tried a different approach.
 
We don't get a mention on this occasion however the Mirror's journo's have certainly been trawling United forums and blogs:

Manchester United fans call for David Moyes to be sacked after humiliating defeat to Liverpool


Jon Flanagan 8

His exuberance occasionally threatened to boil over, but this was another coming-of-age display from him.
Click to expand...

Flanagan was probably involved in more wild challenges then Rafael yesterday yet he gets that dressed up as "his exuberance occasionally threatened to boil over". What nonsense.

8s for the entire back four as well i see. Consider the quality of our attack yesterday was it even possible for them to earn such a rating? lol
 
Last edited:
SirAF said:
Eamonn Holmes ‏@EamonnHolmes 23 t
What will it take before somebody at Man United ends this death by a thousand home defeats ? We all know what has to be done - just do it.


One of Fergie's mates - dunno if it is worth reading anything into that tweet.
Click to expand...

Red issue responded;
"So what needs to be done then fatty? Did you lose your voice in October and December?"
 
Red Issue also saying that Giggs isn't happy and Rio isn't pleased about Moyes going on about Jagielka.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.