Moyes So Far!

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.Rossi said:
Who knows....Everything is nonsense these days
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Especially David Moyes' football.

I wonder if we did any due diligence on his training methods before the game? Did we just assume that Moyes was defensive because he was at Everton? Where was the thorough investigation into the credentials of Fergie's successor that David Gill promised us? Its like a collective cloud of delusion fell over United and we decided, without any reason, that Moyes would become an attack minded manager with better players? Why do clubs do this e.g. Newcastle with Big Sam. If a manager is attack minded his team play like it e.g. Pochettino's Southampton. I can't remember one manager who has changed jobs and changed his approach entirely. Why did United assume Moyes would?
 
It must be Moyes' idea of hell, this upcoming Olympiakos game.

In fact, thinking about it, it's genuinely horrible for him and goes against his nature completely. He has to set us up to score three goals and on too of that, knows that if we start conceding goals, the aggregate score line starts getting very embarrassing.

Then he's got West Ham 3 days later and City 3 days after that.

I'm predicting:

United 1 - 2 Olympiakos (1-4)
West Ham 1 - 1 United
United 0 - 3 City


If that's the case, he's surely gone.
 
Brophs said:
So most likely nonsense then?
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I hope not.

Giggs has been Fergie's right hand man for such a long time now. Winning is in his DNA, just like Fergie. I'm sure it pains him as much as anyone to see what Moyes has done to the club, and in the end, Giggsy's loyalty is to Manchester United, not Moyes, and I hope he's decided enough's enough, and had a word with Fergie and the directors. I'm not one for player power, but this is one of the few times, it might end up in something positive.
 
Giving Moyes a massive transfer budget so he can get the players he wants is like giving your child a brand new expensive water gun as a reward for running around the house and pissing all over the place.
 
#07 said:
Especially David Moyes' football.

I wonder if we did any due diligence on his training methods before the game? Did we just assume that Moyes was defensive because he was at Everton? Where was the thorough investigation into the credentials of Fergie's successor that David Gill promised us? Its like a collective cloud of delusion fell over United and we decided, without any reason, that Moyes would become an attack minded manager with better players? Why do clubs do this e.g. Newcastle with Big Sam. If a manager is attack minded his team play like it e.g. Pochettino's Southampton. I can't remember one manager who has changed jobs and changed his approach entirely. Why did United assume Moyes would?
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Brendan Rodgers: "We worked all week on using Sterling at the top of the diamond,playing behind the strikers. We know United's centre backs are not the fastest so we wanted to use his pace to expose that"

See, manager, doing his homework and preparing his players on exposing the weakness by using their own strengths.

Steven Gerrard: "I'm disappointed we didn't score more to be honest"

Player with belief and confidence in his team and manager


David Moyes: "Well I didn't expect that"

Has he watched Liverpool this year at all?? I could have bloody told you what to expect, and I'm a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime!!

Wayne Rooney: "It's a nightmare. Worst day in football for me"

Enough said
 
Wow...that bloody hurt yesterday. It really did. It wasn't the fact of just losing...its the manner of how we lost. And boy, did Moyes look rough in his post match interview...really rough.
 
Nights said:
I hope not.

Giggs has been Fergie's right hand man for such a long time now. Winning is in his DNA, just like Fergie. I'm sure it pains him as much as anyone to see what Moyes has done to the club, and in the end, Giggsy's loyalty is to Manchester United, not Moyes, and I hope he's decided enough's enough, and had a word with Fergie and the directors. I'm not one for player power, but this is one of the few times, it might end up in something positive.
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Giggs transcends "player power" though and not just because he is player-coach.

If he goes to Fergie and the directors for a chat and explains his fears about training, tactics, mentality and every player in the squad losing or never having any belief in Moyes, they will surely listen.
 
And why do our centre backs drop off? Because the idea of the midfield picking a pass in behind you is terrifying. So what do we do? Play in front of Liverpool for 76 minutes and give them one of their easiest defensive jobs of the season.

The tide is turning. I think it's happening now, it's just not working.
 
togg said:
Wow...that bloody hurt yesterday. It really did. It wasn't the fact of just losing...its the manner of how we lost. And boy, did Moyes look rough in his post match interview...really rough.
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You think it hurts now? Wait til you see that smug git Gerrard kissing the Premier League title, and that rat faced user of racially based insults Suarez sinking his teeth into a title winners medal: 'Back on our perch YAWN blah, blah, blah, and a lot more BS'.

That, my friend, is when it will really hurt. If they win the title by a point, knowing we could've stopped them but rolled over like dogs waiting for our bellies to be rubbed, that is when it will really hurt.
 
The thing is, even if our CBs were dropping off, Liverpool still got on behind them a dozen odd times yesterday. So I don't know how fecking far they need to drop before that happens. Maybe twenty yards into the Stretty.
 
A huge concern yesterday is that Liverpool could hace two players up against our whole back line and then some, and look absolutely deadly which each attack, yet we had the likes of RvP, Mata and Rooney all looking hopeless.

When we lose games you used to get the feeling that with a little more time we wouldd have turbed it round. The only thing that would have happened if that game continued yesterday is that Liverpool would have continued to score goals. We are a lost cause while Moyes is in charge.
 
Sky1981 said:
Was it unexpected though?

That is exactly how we played the majority of the season.
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No, no..it wasn't...but I still thought...against all hope, that against Liverpool and with them really going for the title...that something might happen, that just for 90 mins the players collectively suddenly clickeda and played like Barca!! I know..totally crazy, but after five minutes I reaslised it wasn't going to happen and what unfolded after was a collective disaster...awful. That hurt...
 
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You think it hurts now? Wait til you see that smug git Gerrard kissing the Premier League title, and that rat faced user of racially based insults Suarez sinking his teeth into a title winners medal: 'Back on our perch YAWN blah, blah, blah, and a lot more BS'.

That, my friend, is when it will really hurt. If they win the title by a point, knowing we could've stopped them but rolled over like dogs waiting for our bellies to be rubbed, that is when it will really hurt.
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yep I agree. That will be a nightmare becoming a reality. And its a very real possibility now...Then the whole of the next season being constantly remineded of it through TV images, sounds and montages!
 
togg said:
yep I agree. That will be a nightmare becoming a reality. And its a very real possibility now...Then the whole of the next season being constantly remineded of it through TV images, sounds and montages!
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Every time you turn on Sky Sports News and Phil Thompson is there, then you switch to match coverage and Souness is grinning like a cheshire cat with Jamie Carragher next to him ribbing Gary Neville. Then you switch on Match of the Day and its Hansen, Lawrenson and the rest of the acolytes talking about being back on their patch. You switch to ITV for our Europa league games and Jim Beglin is talking about the 80s and Liverpool being back.

I'd rather watch the Aguero goal vs QPR on loop for a day than listen to the Scousers talk about how they always knew as soon as Fergie went they'd be back on their perch. And they will. Oh how they will...
 
In 2007/08 at Old Trafford in the League, our record was 17-1-1 (W-D-L).

In 2008/09 it was 16-2-1

In 2009/10 it was 16-1-2

In 2010/11 it was 18-1-0

In 2011/12 it was 15-2-2

In 2012/13 it was 16-0-3

This season it is currently 6-3-5

It's beyond shocking, it's unacceptable.


In the previous 6 seasons Fergie lost 9 games and drew 7. In this season alone Moyes has lost 5 and drawn 3. With it highly likely that will be worse by the end of the season.
 
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togg said:
No, no..it wasn't...but I still thought...against all hope, that against Liverpool and with them really going for the title...that something might happen, that just for 90 mins the players collectively suddenly clickeda and played like Barca!! I know..totally crazy, but after five minutes I reaslised it wasn't going to happen and what unfolded after was a collective disaster...awful. That hurt...
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Don't worry, if it helps. we'll return city the favor with 3pts
 
togg said:
No, no..it wasn't...but I still thought...against all hope, that against Liverpool and with them really going for the title...that something might happen, that just for 90 mins the players collectively suddenly clickeda and played like Barca!! I know..totally crazy, but after five minutes I reaslised it wasn't going to happen and what unfolded after was a collective disaster...awful. That hurt...
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This is how far we have fallen..

Expecting, hoping, wishing... not for much...just to simply show some grit against Liverpool at Old Trafford....We are wishing on a start to show up against the Scouse at Old Trafford (with them being 2nd and all), I thought that it's a given, but no....

How far we have fallen with Moyes....
 
Sky1981 said:
Don't worry, if it helps. we'll return city the favor with 3pts
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I think City will beat us by at least 2 or 3 clear goals. If we got out to Olympiakos, which I reckon we will, confidence will be rock bottom and City will be well up for it. It could actually get really bad. REALLY bad.
 
I remember getting shit thrown at me from all angles when I said I never rated Moyes and that I never wanted him here back in October....I was spoilt and negative and I'd be better of supporting City or Chelsea

Now, if you want Moyes to stay, you're been picked off from all angles and talking shit...

It really is utter madness how everything has just been turned upside down
 
You even need those excerpts from the red issue. It's so apparently clear, the players do look they've lost faith in him and I don't blame them. Look at the chance in coaching staff from foreign technicians to local mechanics. You can't expect the Ferrari to work the same way
Look at the Fulham game, even a nenderthal would know it's not working and I need to change things, stop going out wide, get central. Perhaps get Mata central? It's like having a Sachin Tendulkar in your team and asking him to come at no. 9
The tactics just aren't there and it's so evident. I don't even hate David Moyes, I pity him. He isn't good enough and it's just sad he's been made to go out there and utter shit in the media. Just get him and us out of our misery.
 
I have always stuck up for Moyes and believed he should be given time. I really am struggling now. Sunday's game was our final. We had nothing to play for. Let's just make sure we batter Liverpool and prevent them from giving them any belief that they can win the title.

I just saw a team run around like headless chickens for 90 minutes. There was no belief, no confidence, no gameplan. The only subtle change being made was Januzaj and Mata switching wings on occasion. We could not penetrate a team or get in behind a team with a poor defence or even trouble them.

I refuse to believe our title winning team from last year can be so easily dismantled one season later. Rooney, RVP, Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa, Nani, Hernandez, Wellbeck, Valencia, Young. I refuse to believe there is not goals galore that can be found in a system that works between those top players.

I might have to move over to the dark side. My trust in Moyes is going. Not seeing a substitute in a game we were getting absolutely battered in for 70 minutes. The man seemed void of ideas. Olympiakos and Man City next. Fun.

I just wanted to see some improvement. It's a case of taking half a step forward, then 3 back. The players do need to take responsibility too. I'm just a sad panda really.
 
Brophs said:
I think that exchange is a good test for whether people should be allowed to have children. If you genuinely think that's funny you should be remotely sterilised.
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Are you full-on 'Moyes Out' yet Brophs? You've been like my substitute barometer of boardroom sentiment throughout this ordeal. What's the feeling right now?
 
Nights said:
I hope not.

Giggs has been Fergie's right hand man for such a long time now. Winning is in his DNA, just like Fergie. I'm sure it pains him as much as anyone to see what Moyes has done to the club, and in the end, Giggsy's loyalty is to Manchester United, not Moyes, and I hope he's decided enough's enough, and had a word with Fergie and the directors. I'm not one for player power, but this is one of the few times, it might end up in something positive.
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I actually think its likely that Ryan would try to say something about the training methods, he has been at this club too long not to. If Moyes would not listen to him, then we are in trouble.
 
I was listening to Talksport (yes, I know) this morning and they were talking about how far United had fallen etc. But what intrigued me the most was that not a single person they talked to, bearning in mind they talked to ex pro's, pundits etc, blamed Moyes for any of this mess. The closest someone came to that was le tissier when he said "You can blame the manager but the players have to have a hard look at themselves".

I remember how AVB was hounded out by the media. Why isn't Moyes getting the same treatment from the both the media and the ex players, pundits??
 
#07 said:
I think City will beat us by at least 2 or 3 clear goals. If we got out to Olympiakos, which I reckon we will, confidence will be rock bottom and City will be well up for it. It could actually get really bad. REALLY bad.
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That's actually my minimum prediction in the shit stakes....it could be as bad as Olympiakos putting 2 or 3 past us and another 6-1 or worse, given what we're seeing from Moyes at the moment
 
poisson said:
I was listening to Talksport (yes, I know) this morning and they were talking about how far United had fallen etc. But what intrigued me the most was that not a single person they talked to, bearning in mind they talked to ex pro's, pundits etc, blamed Moyes for any of this mess. The closest someone came to that was le tissier when he said "You can blame the manager but the players have to have a hard look at themselves".

I remember how AVB was hounded out by the media. Why isn't Moyes getting the same treatment from the both the media and the ex players, pundits??
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Click this link for the answer: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Manchester-United-Jamie-Carragher-column.html
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Are you full-on 'Moyes Out' yet Brophs? You've been like my substitute barometer of boardroom sentiment throughout this ordeal. What's the feeling right now?
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I'm not full Moyes out as the fair side of me still wants him to be given a proper chance to do the job. But the pragmatic side of me is struggling to find any reason to assume he's going to turn this around. The style of football is tumescent and he doesn't seem capable of motivating the players, even though I think they're letting themselves down as much as he is. So on that basis I don't have a lot of enthusiasm for another season of Moyes football. I don't think he'll be sacked unless we lose almost every game until the end of the season and if he makes it to the end of the season unscathed I think he'll be given the window to buy his own players.
 
.Rossi said:
I remember getting shit thrown at me from all angles when I said I never rated Moyes and that I never wanted him here back in October....I was spoilt and negative and I'd be better of supporting City or Chelsea

Now, if you want Moyes to stay, you're been picked off from all angles and talking shit...

It really is utter madness how everything has just been turned upside down
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A lot of people didn't rate Moyes and the majority wouldn't have had him as their choice for manager, so I don't think your opinion was exactly extreme.

I guess people decided to suspend their judgment until he had enough time to prove himself one way or the other. Looks like that's happened now...

The fans who spent their time calling others spoiled certainly seem to have disappeared though.
 
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