Moyes So Far!

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De Gea
Evra-Vidic-Jones-Rafael
Fellaini-Carrick
Mata-Rooney-Janujaz
RVP

That side is just as good as the liverpool one's, if not better. Our midfield might be weaker but the defense is a huge upgrade. Given a better manager, we really would be near the top of the PL.
 
MJJ said:
De Gea
Evra-Vidic-Jones-Rafael
Fellaini-Carrick
Mata-Rooney-Janujaz
RVP

That side is just as good as the liverpool one's, if not better. Our midfield might be weaker but the defense is a huge upgrade. Given a better manager, we really would be near the top of the PL.
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4-2-3-1 stop please, for the love of god, the way that team is set up is the problem
 
He should be sacked if he can not turn the tie around against olympiakos or at least have United playing noteworthy football. He does not have a philosophy or an identity that he can imbue into United. The only identity I have seen has been negative and when things seem positive, he resort back to the negative. If he had dropped rvp today, I would have viewed him as a manager capable of making tactical merited move. Yet, he stuck with what was safe and the end result was expected.
 
MJJ said:
De Gea
Evra-Vidic-Jones-Rafael
Fellaini-Carrick
Mata-Rooney-Janujaz
RVP

That side is just as good as the liverpool one's, if not better. Our midfield might be weaker but the defense is a huge upgrade. Given a better manager, we really would be near the top of the PL.
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It looks good on paper but the only pace in the team comes from the full backs and there's no threat from the front four running in behind, nor runners from midfield. Basically chuck a few men behind the ball and you won't be under too much threat, attack quickly and exploit the space behind the widemen as Liverpool did and you'll get goals
 
Eugenius said:
It looks good on paper but the only pace in the team comes from the full backs and there's no threat from the front four running in behind, nor runners from midfield. Basically chuck a few men behind the ball and you won't be under too much threat, attack quickly and exploit the space behind the widemen as Liverpool did and you'll get goals
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Replace one of rvp/rooney with mata and put a winger there. Problem solved.
 
I've really wanted Moyes to be a success but some of his decisions are utterly baffling. Anyone playing Liverpool knows they usually play the 3 in the middle (today they went with a diamond and played 4!) so you have to win the middle of the park. We should have therefore played Kagawa with Fellani and Carrick creating a 3 in the middle with Rooney and Mata behind RVP. Even SAF with complete shite midfield managed to play 3 in the middle against the bigger teams.

Then we waited so long to make changes. He seems to scared of the big players to drop them or even take them off. If you manage a big club, you have to manage big egos and if you can't, you will struggle. SAF decided to drop Rooney in last years Champions League and it proved to be the right decision. Even someone like Mourinho dropping Casillas at Real Madrid is someone not scared to drop the big players when needed to. If Rooney and RVP are struggling, one of them should be dropped or shifted position, he has to make the tough calls and he hasn't thus far.
 
He's turned us into a complete joke of a team. It's amazing that this guy could get a huge transfer budget to spend.
 
You can't expect him to be sacked just because of losses to Liverpool x2, West Brom, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, Swansea, Chelsea, Stoke and Olympiacos.

Nor for the 8 draws he's had this season.

Not for the terrible football we've been playing this year.

He's been very unlucky.
 
The thing is I don't hate David Moyes. He's a great guy and good manager with stability under his years in Premier League but maybe... just maybe he wasn't ready to take the job but couldn't say 'no' to his good Scottish friend.

We can see him watching games of other clubs, travelling to other countries perhaps to learn something new. He'll do his best to make it happen for United again but maybe he really should reconsider his ability to steer the most popular sport institution in the world.

Best of luck to him no matter if he'll stay or go. He's lucky to have some truly amazing match going fans and if that won't motivate him and his co-workers, I don't know what in this world will.
 
MJJ said:
That side is just as good as the liverpool one's, if not better. Our midfield might be weaker but the defense is a huge upgrade. Given a better manager, we really would be near the top of the PL.
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Our side might be better but Liverpool dicked all over it by playing to our weaknesses. 2 static immobile midfielders? I know i'll 3 midfielders who will run rings about them.
 
Pexbo said:
You can't expect him to be sacked just because of losses to Liverpool x2, West Brom, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, Swansea, Chelsea, Stoke and Olympiacos.

Nor for the 8 draws he's had this season.

Not for the terrible football we've been playing this year.

He's been very unlucky.
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The sad thing about this post? You've left out teams who've beaten us.
 
Pexbo said:
You can't expect him to be sacked just because of losses to Liverpool x2, West Brom, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, Swansea, Chelsea, Stoke and Olympiacos.

Nor for the 8 draws he's had this season.

Not for the terrible football we've been playing this year.

He's been very unlucky.
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Its not his fault that he had inherited a mentally weak team made up of shit players. Thank god Moyes came in time to save us from the mess left by his predessor
 
Nedved said:
Juventus. Lately, we've been through the misery of trying: 1) Decent managers without winning mentality 2) Unproven and naive ex-players 3) Average managers with no game plan.

When you find the right one (Conte), you notice the difference in attitude and game plan right away. Even mediocre players turn good.[/quote]
Absolutely.

Were seeing it at Liverpool this season. Everyone is playing a good notch or two above what people thought they were capable of.
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It's a bad situation that I want city to win next week just so we don't help the Scouse cnuts in the title race. Thanks Moyes.
 
.Rossi said:
Jesus f**king Christ

Moyes: "We had not really offered enough and it’s difficult to explain. The players had looked in good fettle this week – they were confident, hard-working and motivated."
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He'll go on about how we are improving in training in the next press conference.
 
MJJ said:
De Gea
Evra-Vidic-Jones-Rafael
Fellaini-Carrick
Mata-Rooney-Janujaz
RVP

That side is just as good as the liverpool one's, if not better. Our midfield might be weaker but the defense is a huge upgrade. Given a better manager, we really would be near the top of the PL.
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They had Joe Allen, Henderson, Flanagan and Skertal... Our players on paper shit on there's. Except for Suarez.. there wasn't a player in that team i would want playing for us.
 
Eugenius said:
It looks good on paper but the only pace in the team comes from the full backs and there's no threat from the front four running in behind, nor runners from midfield. Basically chuck a few men behind the ball and you won't be under too much threat, attack quickly and exploit the space behind the widemen as Liverpool did and you'll get goals
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Quick movement and being able to manipulate the ball in the final third would have been good enough even with the lack of pace we had. We took too long to get the ball up the park and with the players we had we still focused far to much on the flanks. If you wanted Rooney to utilise the flanks at least focus our play through the middle using Mata and Januzaj to help exploit the space they left behind. It was just woeful tactics.
 
This has probably been posted before but Moyes on saying Liverpool were favourites:

David Moyes said:
I just thought Liverpool were above us in the league and playing well and that any average person would have said the same.
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He basically called himself an average person, I want him to succeed but I think he needs to go this summer. I do wonder what Ed Woodward is thinking right about now.

He should be put out of his misery. He won't struggle to get a new job at another club and he will build another Everton, with more money, he might even be able to challenge for top four with his new club however that's as far as he will go because he isn't a tactician and at the very top you must be a tactician to beat the big teams and break down the small teams that park the bus.
 
Empire said:
This has probably been posted before but Moyes on saying Liverpool were favourites:



He basically called himself an average person, I want him to succeed but I think he needs to go this summer. I do wonder what Ed Woodward is thinking right about now.

He should be put out of his misery. He won't struggle to get a new job at another club and he will build another Everton, with more money, he might even be able to challenge for top four with his new club however that's as far as he will go because he isn't a tactician and at the very top you must be a tactician to beat the big teams and break down the small teams that park the bus.
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That's not really what he meant :lol:

It's amazing how safe his job is. For all the talk over the years of how well run a club we have been, we come across as a pretty shoddily run at the moment. Who is actually assessing Moyes' performance at the moment? Who is he answerable to? Our owners have always seemed to be in their own world where compared to other owners. So is it fergie and Charlton who will make these calls? Genuinely interested to know.
 
"We didn’t get to the standards we need. We have to make sure we're harder to beat."
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You'd expect the manager of the likes of Fulham or Norwich to come out with shite like that.

He is so small time.
 
We can sign Koke, Gundogan, Messi or whoever but we will never get back on track unless we sack Moyes. I was hoping he would evolve our team when he was appointed last summer but I never expected this to happen. I never expected us to retain the title but I thought top 3 would be easily achievable. This guy struggles against teams like Newcastle and Olympiacos with a side that walked the title, I think that says enough. Would you want him to be in charge of a huge transfer budget?

Shane88 said:
You'd expect the manager of the likes of Fulham or Norwich to come out with shite like that.

He is so small time.
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Did he really say that!?
 
The problem with him is tactically he isn't up to scratch, yet again today the team was set up wrong and you could see that from the first minute it was all wrong. The game has evolved from the 4-4-2 in the past and he still sticks to it. It can work but only if your middle four are top class and they aren't for your lot.

Forget about signing Kroos, what you need to sign is either a clued up assistant or a new manager.
 
JazzG said:
The problem with him is tactically he isn't up to scratch, yet again today the team was set up wrong and you could see that from the first minute it was all wrong. The game has evolved from the 4-4-2 in the past and he still sticks to it. It can work but only if your middle four are top class and they aren't for your lot.

Forget about signing Kroos, what you need to sign is either a clued up assistant or a new manager.
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He doesn't have tactics. He picks players and they just go play football. That's it. It's mind-numbingly basic.
 
JazzG said:
The problem with him is tactically he isn't up to scratch, yet again today the team was set up wrong and you could see that from the first minute it was all wrong. The game has evolved from the 4-4-2 in the past and he still sticks to it. It can work but only if your middle four are top class and they aren't for your lot.

Forget about signing Kroos, what you need to sign is either a clued up assistant or a new manager.
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His teams weren't poorly set up at Everton though, they were always hard to break down, he's a much better tactician than he's showing, on the defensive side anyway. He's also, in theory at least, picking exceptionally attacking lineups, which is the total opposite of what I expected from him.
 
It's amazing what's happening. Quite amazing.

Mata has gone from being a hugely effective, stunning player to a guy who just saunters around looking tirelessly for a pass that never comes. And he's just one example.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
He doesn't have tactics. He picks players and they just go play football. That's it. It's mind-numbingly basic.
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Fergie's biggest strength was he knew what his weakness was. He liked observing but also had no hesitation delegating tactical decisions over to people who knew that side of the game better. Moyes on the other hand wants to scout the players himself, coach them himself and he needs to wake up and realise that his approach won't work at Man Utd. When you're at a big club you need good people around you that you can trust and let them get on with things.

I said it earlier this season when we lost to your lot how poor you were and was accused of being bitter. We've lost plenty of times to your lot but this season you could tell you were there for the taking and we were just shit on that day and again a few weeks earlier.

Mickeza said:
His teams weren't poorly set up at Everton though, they were always hard to break down, he's a much better tactician than he's showing, on the defensive side anyway. He's also, in theory at least, picking exceptionally attacking lineups, which is the total opposite of what I expected from him.
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Setting up a team to be strong defensively and play on the counter which is what we did at Everton is easy though. He had the type of players he needed for that but at a bigger club you need to have good tactical knowledge and be able to adapt your methods to get the best out of your team. Look at Liverpool, Rodgers has tweaked it to allow Suarez and Sturridge to play well and so far this season Moyes has done nothing of the sort.
 
Laurent Blanc:

"Sacking Moyes wouldn't be a mistake, keeping him would. Here in France he would have been sacked 3 times."
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Those are strong words from Blanc, indeed they are the most damning that i can recall from anyone with ties to United.
 
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I've been out for a few beers and expected to come home to find him fired. What is taking so long?
 
Sixpence said:
I've been out for a few beers and expected to come home to find him fired. What is taking so long?
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Because the Glazer's haven't a feckin clue what needs to be done. Seems as if they're 100% reliant on SAF's judgement, and see no reason to take a financial hit like that.
 
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