Moyes So Far!

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I know that post-match interviews aren't the place to look for in depth honest analysis.

But our club is going through hell at the moment and we're all looking for leadership from Moyes. Even if his comments are guarded, we want see some fire, some anger, some suggestion that heads are going to roll for what we saw on the pitch today. That he knows what the problem is and he's going to fix it, come hell or high water.

I remember after we lost 3-1 to City at Maine Road, the most painful game I ever went to, Fergie came out afterwards with smoke coming out of his ears and made it clear words had been spoken to the team. Hairdryer, in other words. That was exactly what every fan wanted to see.

With Moyes we see a man who looks lost, glumly repeating that he doesn't know why things are going wrong for him. That is not what this club needs.
 
Crackers said:
Out of interest, who do you support?
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Juventus. Lately, we've been through the misery of trying: 1) Decent managers without winning mentality 2) Unproven and naive ex-players 3) Average managers with no game plan.

When you find the right one (Conte), you notice the difference in attitude and game plan right away. Even mediocre players turn good.
 
LonelyFire said:
The tradition that is media nonsense. We've backed one manager. The rest got shown the door when things started to turn
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Completely agree. It's not true at all that we've always backed managers. We've given most a year or so but how often has it happened that a manager took over a title winning team? If they do well, they stay, if they are like Moyes, they get sacked shortly after. Like he should be. United tradition is being an attacking team, playing good football and bringing through youngsters. Moyes hasn't done any of those.
 
Nedved said:
Juventus. Lately, we've been through the misery of trying: 1) Decent managers without winning mentality 2) Unproven and naive ex-players 3) Average managers with no game plan.

When you find the right one (Conte), you notice the difference in attitude and game plan right away. Even mediocre players turn good.
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I wonder how long it'll take us.
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Stan Collymore just RT'd a Utd fan who claims that Moyes has been his only plus point this season. fecking hell :lol:
 
Nedved said:
Juventus. Lately, we've been through the misery of trying: 1) Decent managers without winning mentality 2) Unproven and naive ex-players 3) Average managers with no game plan.

When you find the right one (Conte), you notice the difference in attitude and game plan right away. Even mediocre players turn good.
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In short, the difference between the sum of all parts vs individuals. Much like the difference between us (under moyes) and Liverpool....or any other team in the top 9 of the league.
 
lilcurt said:
Well yes, if he feels the tactics were wrong come out and say it and then bloody fix it for the next game. If certain players are falling short, they've had long enough to adjust call them out or at least drop them!

The man looks like he wouldn't say boo to a goose. To me it's clear as crystal to see, we have the same squad as last year. A squad they may of over achieved but either way should be in the top 4. The big change is in management so to me that must be where the issue is.

I ask myself the questions and the answer always comes back to Moyes

Squad not good enough? Woody and Moyes made a complete hash of the summer.
Needs time to get to know the players? Moyes got rid of a successful back room team.
The tactics aren't right? Moyes sets the tactics.
Are we one dimensional? Moyes rinses the same tactics time and again, never changing a game.
The players look disinterested? A managers job is to motivate and inspire the players when they look like having a dip.
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Spot on.
 
It's beyond belief that he is still here. As Luca Vialli said, in Italy he'd have been sacked 3 times over for the shit he's produced here.
 
I might make a thread about him and his relationship with substitutions... because it is a constant source of bafflement for me.
 
Problem with Moyes is he went and bought Mata, but offers Rooney a new contract.

So you then play a player you bought for 37.5M out of position, it just doesn't make sense, I didn't think Mata was the right player for the club, as we have Kagawa who is similar.

So basically we are buying players who don't fit into a system, Fellaini, he is a box to box player, yet today he didn't even get forward, we chased other types of midfields all summer but settled with him.

Januzaj is yet to prove himself in big games, he's young, not experienced in those games, we could have started with another wide player, could have dropped RVP in favour of Rooney, (RVP missed so many chances, hasnt looked the same all season).

Difference with liverpool is they have Sturridge, he's not world class... but he's a runner, he makes runs in-behind to be picked out by players, runs blind-side of the defender, United don't have that, RVP is sluggish and won't make those runs, Rooney is too deep to make those runs, it's completely one dimensional.

Moyes doesn't seem to sit down and go ok where do these players fit in to the team? what is their best position? ok so I need to sacrifice this player that game, as it isn't his strength, instead he's trying to put round pegs in square holes and then say "Oh I'm not sure why it's going wrong", he's also playing a 4-2-3-1 in every game, change the system, change the players, don't keep throwing shit at the fan and hope it sicks.

You drop players out of form, you don't continuously play them.

He could play a diamond 4-4-2 with Mata in the hole, he could do so much, play a midfield 3, do something.
 
bosnian_red said:
Fergie is stubborn and won't admit he made a mistake, Glazers content to keep him and "keep the United tradition of backing managers" even though he's blatantly out of his depth, because they don't have to pay him compensation for sacking him. Although Moyes is really costing them more money then what it would probably take to sack him.
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People keep forgetting that we not performing and that not getting topper spot would actually cost us more than compensating him in a sacking situation.

There is no reason to keep him as long as it is clear he can't and won't produce. It was crystal clear since beginning of this year if not earlier!
If he still has any decency, he should tender his resignation because he knows too well he can't deliver.
 
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I remember at the half way point of the season I wanted him gone, but remember thinking that we surely won't have as bad of a second half of the season as the first was. Never did I think it would be this bad. We've just got worse the longer he been here and the more out players have gotten used to him.
 
TheNewEra said:
Problem with Moyes is he went and bought Mata, but offers Rooney a new contract.

So you then play a player you bought for 37.5M out of position, it just doesn't make sense, I didn't think Mata was the right player for the club, as we have Kagawa who is similar.

So basically we are buying players who don't fit into a system, Fellaini, he is a box to box player, yet today he didn't even get forward, we chased other types of midfields all summer but settled with him.

Januzaj is yet to prove himself in big games, he's young, not experienced in those games, we could have started with another wide player, could have dropped RVP in favour of Rooney, (RVP missed so many chances, hasnt looked the same all season).

Difference with liverpool is they have Sturridge, he's not world class... but he's a runner, he makes runs in-behind to be picked out by players, runs blind-side of the defender, United don't have that, RVP is sluggish and won't make those runs, Rooney is too deep to make those runs, it's completely one dimensional.

Moyes doesn't seem to sit down and go ok where do these players fit in to the team? what is their best position? ok so I need to sacrifice this player that game, as it isn't his strength, instead he's trying to put round pegs in square holes and then say "Oh I'm not sure why it's going wrong", he's also playing a 4-2-3-1 in every game, change the system, change the players, don't keep throwing shit at the fan and hope it sicks.

You drop players out of form, you don't continuously play them.

He could play a diamond 4-4-2 with Mata in the hole, he could do so much, play a midfield 3, do something.
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I'm honestly not sure Moyes bought mata. My suspicion is the club made that decision. It was right in the middle of all the negative PR and subsequent drop in share price....smacked of club wanting to react
 
bosnian_red said:
I remember at the half way point of the season I wanted him gone, but remember thinking that we surely won't have as bad of a second half of the season as the first was. Never did I think it would be this bad. We've just got worse the longer he been here and the more out players have gotten used to him.
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The bad thing is we were better without Mata, he's a world class player, but playing in a position he can't play, Rafael had no support down that channel the entire game, Valencia is better than Mata on the right, he supports and provides width, because it "has to be a 4-2-3-1" in Moyes eyes, Mata has unbalanced the team even further (it's not Matas fault because he's been asked to play there, what can he do "no I don't want to play there")
 
They should really just sack him now. Moyes will get a big fat severance package and we'll get (touch wood) a big club manager. Everyone wins..
 
TheNewEra said:
The bad thing is we were better without Mata, he's a world class player, but playing in a position he can't play, Rafael had no support down that channel the entire game, Valencia is better than Mata on the right, he supports and provides width, because it "has to be a 4-2-3-1" in Moyes eyes, Mata has unbalanced the team even further (it's not Matas fault because he's been asked to play there, what can he do "no I don't want to play there")
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Yeah, for the way Moyes sets us up and wants the team to play it's clear that we need an actual right mid/winger to play down there.
 
TheNewEra said:
The bad thing is we were better without Mata, he's a world class player, but playing in a position he can't play, Rafael had no support down that channel the entire game, Valencia is better than Mata on the right, he supports and provides width, because it "has to be a 4-2-3-1" in Moyes eyes, Mata has unbalanced the team even further (it's not Matas fault because he's been asked to play there, what can he do "no I don't want to play there")
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Agree. Although Mata improves us overall if we get a manager who knows how to play them. Put Mata in the hole, and keep him there. He's useless out wide just like Kagawa was. Same problem for both of them, hopefully shuts up some of the kagawa haters. As much as I love Mata, he was a completely unnecessary transfer.

I know both Rooney and RVP are world class players, but it has to be only 1 of them up front and 1 on the wing. We just can't play them through the middle and hope to do well. It won't work. We'd be better off getting rid of one of them so we don't get tempted to try and make it work.
 
SirAF said:
They should really just sack him now. Moyes will get a big fat severance package and we'll get (touch wood) a big club manager. Everyone wins..
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At this point in time any manager will improve us. He should just resign admitting he's too much pressurised and just giving up. At least we will thank him for that.
 
He definitely isn't the right man for the job and IMO needs to go, however today I must commend Liverpool on their performance. They pressed really well and its been a weakness for us pre-Moyes as well. All in all they are a better team eventhough we have some good individuals.

What I will criticise him for though is his inability to change the match at all. He needed to be decisive at HT and instead chose to persist with the same. The only logical explanation I have for him not subbing either Rooney or RVP and bringing on Welbeck as well as getting rid of Januzaj is that he is too damn scared.
 
He isn't capable of motivating the players (or they don't want to play for him) and he has yet to show any kind of tactical know-how when things aren't going our way. It's like he just expects things to sort themselves out.
 
Its actually quite sad that its now at a point where I look over enviously at the manager Liverpool have, and wish we had one who had similar tactical vision. He made Moyes look like an amateur today.
 
Jesus f**king Christ

Moyes: "We had not really offered enough and it’s difficult to explain. The players had looked in good fettle this week – they were confident, hard-working and motivated."
 
For the first time this year I am seriously questioning my decision to give him 2 years. With all that talent on the pitch, we barely troubled Liverpool. My question is... Is he the only problem? If we yank him and put someone else there. Will there be an automatic improvement?
 
maybe the plan is for Moyes to make us a very very mediocre team, so that the Glazers would lose interest and to sell the club, because we really do look like a bottom half club.
 
adexkola said:
For the first time this year I am seriously questioning my decision to give him 2 years. With all that talent on the pitch, we barely troubled Liverpool. My question is... Is he the only problem? If we yank him and put someone else there. Will there be an automatic improvement?
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It can't get any worse. He's done the worst job humanly possible, we could hire a couple of blind mice leading our team and there would still be automatic improvement. 2 years of this guy is going to reduce the life expectancy of many a united fan, surely you don't want that for us? surely?
 
A Liverpool supporter's summary of the United situation when talking to Stan Collymore:

"I think this is going to be historic, like the bubonic plague."


:lol:

It's only football.
 
.Rossi said:
Jesus f**king Christ

Moyes: "We had not really offered enough and it’s difficult to explain. The players had looked in good fettle this week – they were confident, hard-working and motivated."
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He never has a clue, never sees these performances coming and never has an answer when things are going wrong.

If we finish below his old side after spending 70 mil he has to go.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I might make a thread about him and his relationship with substitutions... because it is a constant source of bafflement for me.
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Yeah his choice of subs, or tactical switches (typically rare), often surprise me as well. It really does feel at times that he's watching a different game.
 
When you look at the bright young managers in the league,including Rodgers, and then you look at sluggish, old-fashioned, clueless Moyes it just makes you want to weep. What did we do to deserve this idiot being foisted on our great club?
 
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