IMO....Moyes could delete all the hate within the span of a week by knocking the dippers out of the league and keeping us in the CL.
Moyes So Far!
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I wouldn't say totally delete (because another thrashing against City after that could put us back at square 1 or close to it), but he will definitely do himself a world of good, and I'm pretty sure most people will start giving him time again to see what he can do before the end of the season.
I think there is a decent core of people who simply dont want him, dont believe in him and even a win with style wont change their minds. Then there is a bunch of us who are hoping Moyes might be able to get things right and there is a small group who believe in him.
I think until mid-season we had more than 80% of the people here ready to give Moyes a chance. I think more people than you think want actually to give him a chance, but were simply frustrated by what they were seeing all season long.
I actually think more than 90% want Moyes to succeed (rather than another manager hired in the Summer), because they like stability, because he was chosen by SAF, and because he's a pretty likeable person.
Aye, but those people are more interested in winning than anything and getting one over on a red hot Liverpool in the midst of their league run would do a lot to create some faith in him, as would obviously our progressing in the CL.
I don't deny that, some are just trying to prove that they're right and that Moyes is not good enough.
But isn't that what life is? You have to prove yourself, and gain that respect, as in all phases of life. The same goes for Players, most of us treats Fletcher like he's some kind of SAF's bastard son, until he proven himself. Shouldn't we extend the same patience with some of our players? The one we sold too soon? Or the one that fans slag off from the start? Do we keep a double standard when it comes to Moyes?
For me, I stand guilty of all those "never wanted him from the start", "never rated him", "Never give him a proper chance" and all that , although I never wanted him to fail as person, nor hate him for being given his chance of a lifetime. It wasn't his fault (if he got sacked, he's just doing and delivering what he has been delivering prior : Midtable Performance and Results)
The reason why I slag him more than necessary, is that because the Moyes in brigade are defending him in a rather extreme with an equally extreme excuses (such as filifying SAF for neglecting the midfield, ploting for our downfall to maintain his legacy as the best United Manager, half of our squad suddenly turns shit, and the most that irks me is that we have to sell most of our players just because they're perceived as to go against Moyes)
Let's call it as it is. I have often said many times :
He is bad, He might come good, but at this moment in time all variables aside "he is performing in an abysmal Level" and "He deserves all the slaging he got, not because he's an evil nazi reincarnation, but simply because his performance is that bad"
We've spent months arguing about Moyes and in some aspects neither side had any proof to back up their argument, in regards to training etc. RVP has made it a whole lot easier to distinguish some of these truths of the situation with that interview.
hey there is nothing wrong with not wanting him or thinking he is any good at all. We all see things differently. Your call is your view, others will see it differently.
Just as I have nothing against posters that think he will come good if given time and money, one to each own.
But Yes, I do tend to strongly disagree with posters that claims he is where he is because the squad is so bad, the players are not playing their best, he doesn't have enough cash, and all that.
There's being objective, and expecting for the future, and there's modifying the facts to defend him. FWIW I don't think many people here debates on the future, most of the debates comes from what causes Moyes to perform so badly beyond SAF's wildest dream (or he dreamt about this?) and it started to go beyond the simple facts of perhaps he's just not good enough to start with
I mean, the way I look at it, his only achievement is getting Everton from relegation fodder to midtable 10 years ago. But after 2-3 years at the midtable, he hasn't perform anything else. Getting them up from 17th to 8th is good, but keeping them years after years (infact, 90% of his time is only keeping Everton in the midtable) firmly slotted in midtable with all that squad he build to 100% suits his style, and all the backroom consistency is nothing to be proud off (IMHO).
Wouldnt say that.
Personally, am looking for a change in approach and style rather than results till the end of season. If he changes the dross we've been serving up, I might move to the "give him time" group. A fluke 1-0 vs Pool after a shite 90mins display would ofcourse delight me because it'd dampen their title chances and give us a big victory over rivals but it wouldnt change what I think about him as a manager.
It won't matter much if we fluke a 1-0. This place will be quite giddy at having booted the dippers out of the league chase. Obviously things could go in the opposite direction if they humiliate us at OT.
The entire place would be delighted including me and rightly so. What am saying is that a fluke 1-0 win over Pool wont suddenly get people to think Moyes is up for the job long term.
The big test for me is the CL second leg. Yes we've got 2 massive derbies either side of it but it's really the CL game where we've got nothing to lose and have to really go for it from the first minute. A lifeless performance in this game would be unacceptable imo.
I'd love a win by the jammiest fashion against Liverpool, an own goal would be ideal 
Indeed, three wins over the next couple of weeks could change the way people feel about Moyes, for the rest of the season at least. It may also give him some belief, and send the teams confidence in the right direction
The only way we are going to win though is if we play our strongest 11, I fear he won't. A defeat is unthinkable, he just can't let it happen.
He has no excuses for the run in as the squads finally at full strength. I still think RvP being out for so long has had as big of an impact as the new manager.
Everything else is on Moyes he had plenty of time to fix the inherited issues.
Everything else is on Moyes he had plenty of time to fix the inherited issues.
The tiniest bit of confidence we've begun to build up this season has been flushed down the bog with the performance after, we need to put in a performance on Sunday because if we don't we'll lose, at that point it'll just depend how well Liverpool play.
Seriously? Have we regressed so much we rate our season on helping Jose win the league?
This is how the dippers used to do all the time.
Seriously? Have we regressed so much we rate our season on helping Jose win the league?
This is how the dippers used to do all the time.
Yeah but Mata wins a medal if they win it so it's basically our league
Seriously? Have we regressed so much we rate our season on helping Jose win the league?
This is how the dippers used to do all the time.
Its not rocket science Cal. The dippers have an outside chance of winning the league this year.
Seriously? Have we regressed so much we rate our season on helping Jose win the league?
This is how the dippers used to do all the time.
He doesn't need any help. He's 7 points clear in his first year back with a squad with no striker. That's how good he is.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted with beating the Dippers, always is, but I won't be happy with Moyes even if we did beat the Dippers considering he's taken us to 6 or 7th behind the dipper.s
That is absolutely mental, are people really that easily swayed?
Yes, it will only last until we lose again though.
It wouldn't "delete" everything... but it certainly would make a lot of people call off the wolves for now...
By answering yes, that mean's you'd temporarily forget all the wrong as well or? Only, I wondered why...
That preser thread...With them quotes....That was just deleted....It better have been fake!!!
Yes, people are very easily swayed. You note the Moyes hate dies down substantially when we win and get ridiculously inflamed when we lose.
It's a shame if that's the margin, as the suggestion wasn't if he showed a better selection and tactics, but simply a reflection of the scoreline, something previously posters have said currently is second to getting the tactics/teamsheet correct.
I just think it's a shame one result can turn people so much, the ethic behind the result OK, but if we played Young/Valencia with Roo/Persie up top and won 1-0 through a lucky goal and were outplayed, would it have the same effect?
Definitely. In as much as it will have been a major influence on how willing he is to accept any new manager.
If you're promised a Ferrari and get a Porsche you might still be pissed off about being lied to (yes, I know Moyes is probably a VW Golf in this analogy)
I'd venture that if we beat an in-form Liverpool and managed to overcome a 2-0 defecit against Olympiakos... then its very, very likely that we will have done so through good tactics and/or the correct teamsheet.
@Jaybezia Exactly. I'd be delighted with a win over the scousers but if its just a fluke 1-0 with shit football and lineup, it wont change anything regarding what I think of Moyes as the manager.
That said, its next to impossible for him to feck it up in the league unlike the CL. 3 of the 4 attacking spots are taken and thus the worst he can do is pick Young on the left.
That said, its next to impossible for him to feck it up in the league unlike the CL. 3 of the 4 attacking spots are taken and thus the worst he can do is pick Young on the left.
If it did happen, and we actually beat Liverpool and City, progressed in the UCL and started to play some decent football, then to be honest, it still wouldn't convince me that Moyes is right for the club. What it would do however is give me that little bit of hope I need to believe he knows what he's doing, even if it's only a tiny bit. He would still have some way to go to get the full backing of all the fans, but it would be a good place to start.
Well the initial point was only in regards to the pool match, and tbh we know full well form etc counts for little, so despite laboured tactics, we could still potentially win there IMO, Olympiakos, different kettle of fish obviously...
Agreed regarding the first point, but I don't quite understand what you mean, you're speaking about Mata being ineligable so the selection is easier? I'm not saying I want Moyes to play a defined "best XI" every time, I just want a clear method, a plan, not just wingers will get enough balls in the box...
indeed. the CP win, the WBA win and some of our other wins have shown that. wouldn go as far as deleted because as you note, it comes back when we lose. been interesting to watch reactions of some of older fans. usually so assured but even some of them are a bit taken aback and unsure how to feel about this current period
Moyes' level was Everton. That isn't a derogatory remark either as It is still a level that 99% of football managers will never get to.
IMO he just isn't good enough to be managing a Manchester United, Barcelona or Real Madrid level club.
IMO he just isn't good enough to be managing a Manchester United, Barcelona or Real Madrid level club.
If he loses on Sunday he should be sacked on Monday.
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