Moyes So Far!

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Woah man, just my opinion. I'm entitled to it, no? You're being precious.

And I didn't say he was the focal speaker, just that he's adding more unnecessary bollocks to the argument, he is speaking for your side yes?

I wouldn't mind if you weren't so hasty to jump on an opinion from the "Moyes in" camp you've just lumped me in, how dare those guys have opinions, right? I mean they don't hate Moyes.
What are you talking about? Did you even read my post? Or did you purposely miss the point where I said posters are entitled to their opinions? Yes, including you.
So are you still sitting on the fence, have you not yet formed an opinion yet feel somehow justified to criticise someone that has?

No, what you wanted was for posters who are in favour of Moyes leaving to have a go at @Sky1981 for having an opinion. Further he's speaking for himself not any side, just like I and everybody else can speak for themselves.
 
It's a stupid comparison mate. Sorry, I really think it is. Moyes has experience whereas Bebe had none. It's like comparing Bill Gates to Dev from the electronics shop.

Bebe has experiences playing in the less succesful team than United? just as Moyes manages a less succesful team? Checked

Moyes are constrained with budget, just as Bebe might potentially be constraint with shit teammates? Checked

Moyes and SAF being scots is like Ronaldo and Bebe being Portuguese? Nationality Checked

Ronaldo is a pedigree with potential and charisma and ego While Bebe looks overawed? SAF with Aberdeen and Moyes winning Charity Shield. Checked

Moyes and Bebe never won a thing at their old club? Checked

Moyes made the step up to United and being abject in his first season? How many games does Bebe Starts? Checked

Moyes somehow looks lost and can't even instruct his team on basics right? Bebe's inability to get a basic cross right? checked

Moyes replaces a 26years reign? Bebe is replacing the great Ronaldo himself? Checked

Do we give Bebe time and patience, and build our play around him?

You don't know what SAF sess in Moyes? I don't know what we see in Bebe, I do know what we're seeing when we bought Ronaldo though. Checked

Moyes 10 years experience to replace Fergie's 26 years is like Bebe's 4 years replacing Ronaldo

We give SAF 5 years, we Give Ronaldo 4 years to become what they become. Let's give Moyes and Bebe years , because.. hey.. it's in the Portuguese and Scottish blood, we will succeed with Moyes / Bebe? why? because we've done it before

I'm sure a better poster can make a nice long thread out of that.
 
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I've started following Sky's posts. They're bloody brilliant.
 
ok.
First, it's my opinion
Second, I'm explaining the train of thoughts of why I think Moyes is not good enough (based on how he perform weeks in weeks out for 8 months)
Third, I'm explaining why I think he will still score a fail at the end of this season. I don't need to rationalise further, 5th is best finish we can hope, and that requires a distinguished performance from us on every remaining games. Suffice to say that even if Moyes wins every game, we will still ended up with 5th. Hence still not good enough

I'm not a football manager, nor qualify to be one, but that is basic logic and understanding what the math term "Averaging" means. The concept that corelates with League Pts Table

You are judged based on how you perform on 38 games. The closer you get to the 38th games, the closer you know the max points you can get. Lose too many points, and you know your max possible points is getting lower.
Moyes performance (all non technical arguments asides) corelates with our position in the table (rocket science), and just as my judgment on him corelates with our position in the table.
Let's say on average Moyes scores a 5.5 for 30 games (tbf, we lost quite a number of games), from today on he wins 4-0 on every match till the 38th, scoring a 9.0 for the last 8 games

( 5.5 x 30 + 9.0 x 8 ) / 38 = 6.2 over a season (still not good enough) and that is on best case scenario. So I can safely assume he's not good enough on June 30th, just like we won't finish past 4th on June 30th
Still waiting for you to tell me whether Moyes should still be sacked if we win the CL.

Oh, and what is your points system based on? What do the points represent? What is your qualification in this field? :)
 
Still waiting for you to tell me whether Moyes should still be sacked if we win the CL.

Oh, and what is your points system based on? What do the points represent? What is your qualification in this field? :)
Moyes won't be sacked if we finish 10th
 
Still waiting for you to tell me whether Moyes should still be sacked if we win the CL.

Oh, and what is your points system based on? What do the points represent? What is your qualification in this field? :)
Yes... if he DI Matteos the CL, it'd be the biggest fluke ever - Moyes has us playing a lot worse than Pool 05 or Chel 12...

But he'd still be out of his depth.
 
It's a stupid comparison mate. Sorry, I really think it is. Moyes has experience whereas Bebe had none. It's like comparing Bill Gates to Dev from the electronics shop.
Valencia to Ronaldo is a better comparison IMO.
 
Valencia to Ronaldo is a better comparison IMO.
Another good one tbh. People with ability compared to the best of their position. It makes sense.

Bebe definitely doesn't, unless Moyes has never managed professionally before and grew up learning to manage whilst being homeless in Portugal.
 
Yes... if he DI Matteos the CL, it'd be the biggest fluke ever - Moyes has us playing a lot worse than Pool 05 or Chel 12...

But he'd still be out of his depth.
It shouldn't matter that he has been bad so far, if we manage to win UCL (although I think that chances for that are near 0). If we win UCL, he fully deserves to continue being in the job.
 
Still waiting for you to tell me whether Moyes should still be sacked if we win the CL.

Oh, and what is your points system based on? What do the points represent? What is your qualification in this field? :)

He wont win. Not because i hate him, because what has shown so far.

We could win it. I could win a lottery. Bebe could have turn into ronaldo, should we continue to play him?
 
He wont win. Not because i hate him, because what has shown so far.

We could win it. I could win a lottery. Bebe could have turn into ronaldo, should we continue to play him?
So, if he stays at Man Utd for 20 years and wins the CL and EPL umpteen times it will count for nothing in your eyes then. What's your obsession with Bebe all about by the way? It's a bit unhealthy if you ask me! ;)
 
It shouldn't matter that he has been bad so far, if we manage to win UCL (although I think that chances for that are near 0). If we win UCL, he fully deserves to continue being in the job.
If he somehow wins the CL, I'd agree he deserves to continue, but not because he's proven he's good enough.
 
This entire last page almost seems like a Werewolf discussion. Its just bollocks and people bringing up old posts and making insane comparisons to suit their agenda. You should join the next Werewolf Toma, Im sure youre good meltdown material.
 
This entire last page almost seems like a Werewolf discussion. Its just bollocks and people bringing up old posts and making insane comparisons to suit their agenda. You should join the next Werewolf Toma, Im sure youre good meltdown material.
Quite annoyingly I don't really meltdown in WW. I've been in a few, and it is very similar now you mention it.
 
Tactically, how will he proceed in a must win game against liverpool?

Keeping it tight and trying to get a goal from a set piece is risky but does he have what it takes to attack?

The team will be obvious with the exception of the left flank (I hope Welbeck but he could go for Young). The tactics are less obvious, will he continue with what we saw against WBA or is that too attacking?
 
What a fecking car crash of a thread. Some of you could do with getting a bit of air.
 
Haven't read the past few pages so I'm just gonna answer the thread. For me, at least he knows his front 4 with mata januzaj rooney and rvp. Welbeck is a good option for me as is kagawa and hopefully when nani is back he'll feature cause for me he's still better than valencia and young.

I just hope that for europe he chooses to with rooney rvp mata and kagawa together. A front four of those guys would be sublime and I think we could do that. If he goes with young or valencia I'll tear my head off.
 
What a fecking car crash of a thread. Some of you could do with getting a bit of air.
niall's post about megathreads suits this thread for me. i look at the title and think "if i go into this thread, will the content match what this thread is supposed to be about?" i dont know if that made any sense but there are some threads that i see which i feel discouraged entering
 
Haven't read the past few pages so I'm just gonna answer the thread. For me, at least he knows his front 4 with mata januzaj rooney and rvp. Welbeck is a good option for me as is kagawa and hopefully when nani is back he'll feature cause for me he's still better than valencia and young.

I just hope that for europe he chooses to with rooney rvp mata and kagawa together. A front four of those guys would be sublime and I think we could do that. If he goes with young or valencia I'll tear my head off.

Just curious... how many heads you have?
 
I was thinking about the idea that Moyes should have come in and kept running the team the way Sir Alex did, using basically the same tactics and formations, letting the 'machine' roll on.

I'm sure Moyes is a great manager or he wouldn't have gotten the job. But he's not famous for mimicking the football of Sir Alex, like all football manager he will have some tactical range but he will play a certain type of football all the same.

He was never going to be able to come into Sir Alex's juggling act and keep all the balls in the air during the transfer, he has to create a team based on the type of football that he is best at directing, doing otherwise would be a waste of his talent.
 
Haven't read the past few pages so I'm just gonna answer the thread. For me, at least he knows his front 4 with mata januzaj rooney and rvp. Welbeck is a good option for me as is kagawa and hopefully when nani is back he'll feature cause for me he's still better than valencia and young.

I just hope that for europe he chooses to with rooney rvp mata and kagawa together. A front four of those guys would be sublime and I think we could do that. If he goes with young or valencia I'll tear my head off.

Ineligible. If you meant Januzaj, I'd agree with you.
 
Listen, stop throwing all players under the bus just to defend Moyes. If a team is under performing, Moyes has to take a big chunk of responsibility. He's the one who's picking the team and it starts from him. If it's just one player under poor form, it can be explained but not everyone.
What do you mean throw players
Under the bus?

If it really was that simple and moyes was that incompetent he would be gone.

The level of arrogance of people on this forum who think they know more then the powers that be is truly astounding.
 
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