We could do with more AM talent, that's for sure.
Moyes So Far!
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So we're not looking at David Dunn then? Gutted.
Cheers lads, didn't realize Michael Keane was playing for them. Just saw like 3 minutes of highlights.
Definitely, if we fail to get Fabregas this summer then he'd be a good backup.
I'd have him over Fabregas tbh.
More grit and Scottishness.
Exactly! 
He's really scouting just to get some time off the club. People claim he got massive things to do succeeding fergie and a that. But does he seriously have to go in person only to scout our u21 player? Seriously, we should have a complete dossier of him. Will keane? Seriously? Going there in person to watch our player play?
Seriously?. You dont understand why coaches go to watch games live???
Seriously???????
What's the deal here, eh? Of course he's going to watch Keane play. It's a great decision from Moyes too as, a) he'll get to see how Keane is coping with first-team football, and b) think of the positive effect it'll have on the young lad knowing he's in Moyes' plans.
feck me, how on earth this is perceived to be a negative is beyond me. Every moaning cnut wants to stick the knife into Moyes over the most ridiculous things.
Utter bollocks.
You are sounding really petty here. You sound like you are looking for any excuse to put him down.
I dont know if Moyes is good enough for this job, many do feel they know but I dont yet.
I guess it all comes down to how we want to spin things. My spin on Moyes and his scouting trips is that he is doing his best to try and be a success, he is putting in the hours and the travelling to try and make sure he can find solutions. Be it scouting players or watching games for inspiration. It may all be a waste of time in the end and he may simply not be good enough but clearly he is doing the hard yards.
Even if you think he is useless I find it hard to believe that people can be this petty and pathetic to use the scouting trips and watching of games live as a rod to beat him with.
Considering that we will lose two CB in the summer, it makes sense for Moyes to watch Keane and determine if he is ready before he signs a CB. I also guess that this is an extra motivation for Keane.
Keeping an eye on one of the top youth prospects for a position we could soon be under equipped at, who could be close to pushing for first team action. What the feck like, what the feck.
Daft.
Daft.
Rio and Vidic gone...Keane gets promoted and we buy another CB...makes sense to me.
so we will have Smalling,Evans,Jones,Keane...another...
so we will have Smalling,Evans,Jones,Keane...another...
Jones reminds me of Robson in his full blooded challenges...and getting injured too I'm afraid. Love the lad though.
My only question...to those who have watched Keane..is does he look good enough to take the step up?Moyes really shouldn't be criticised for scouting our own players on loan.
He's literally sunk our club to midtable over the season, he's made mistake after mistake, but there's no need to criticise this.
There's plenty of evidence to call for his head already, no need to make stuff up or add superfluous reasons to the list.
He's literally sunk our club to midtable over the season, he's made mistake after mistake, but there's no need to criticise this.
There's plenty of evidence to call for his head already, no need to make stuff up or add superfluous reasons to the list.
No, he shouldn't be critized, but it's fecking annoying that he spent every weeks touring Europe in the name of Scouting. I have no idea what's in his mind, but if one day he scouts Barca - Bayern, and the next he scouts Blackburn - Burnley (fecking blackburn and burnley) just to scout "OUR PLAYER" who's right under our nose all this time, surely, ffs, surely the coach that has been coaching him since he was a weenie lad knows all there is to know about him and can give him more than adequate input? and don't give me that crap about seeing it first hand and stuff. He's a manager of Manchester United, if he needs to see every U-21 in real match in order to assess them, good lord.
You don't see other Top managers goes on to watch a Championship group matches to "Watch his loaned player"
Seriously, something is wrong in that line alone. And the amount of time he spent scouting around is extremely too often, and reeks of dithering incosistency. He watches italy one day, he watches Bayern / Barca one day, and watches Burnley the next day....
Just what the feck is he trying to scout?
Inconsistent, he's been to a few Bayern games now, clearly he has a target there, be it Kroos, Dante, or whoever.
As for Keane, he's not just another U-21, he's one that's got a good shot at being in the main squad next season, and no matter how long he's been at United, he hasn't had a lot of first team football, so keeping an eye on him is not a bad move.
As for the reserves coaches, they change as much as any, Joyce has been the U-21 skipper since 2010, his assistant is Butt, since late 2012, The U-19 skipper is also Butt, and his assistant Scholes. Hard to imagine any of them have been coaching Keane "since he was a wee lad", and it still wouldn't be under first team conditions.
As for Keane, he's not just another U-21, he's one that's got a good shot at being in the main squad next season, and no matter how long he's been at United, he hasn't had a lot of first team football, so keeping an eye on him is not a bad move.
As for the reserves coaches, they change as much as any, Joyce has been the U-21 skipper since 2010, his assistant is Butt, since late 2012, The U-19 skipper is also Butt, and his assistant Scholes. Hard to imagine any of them have been coaching Keane "since he was a wee lad", and it still wouldn't be under first team conditions.
Ings is a good player at Burnley but he's mid table bound, and we don't want to be there so I cant see it being him. Trippier is considered the best right back in the league so maybe as a backup? It would be nice for him to be keeping a close eye on Michael Keane though. He could definitely be a good backup for us
My oh my, I didn't know our Manchester United has been so outdated under SAF, we probably didn't even have a computer there.
There's no record of reports on our own player... no wonder it took Moyes 8months just to properly reassess everyone.
Want to be a proper special computer to tell Moyes about things that haven't happened yet.
I now completely understand why you get so much wrong.
You can't be serious? Every top manager does this.
Your constant whining about everything gets boring, now it's reached it's 'dumbness peak'. So much bullshit in one post it's unbelievable.
Yeah, maybe I'm just sick of people lapping everything Moyes does as "the going in the right direction" including bringing half of Everton coaching staffs, and another batch of Everton Scouting teams, Complete with Fellaini, and probably Baines in the summer.
I don't know about you, but I don't see anything positives so far.
Being angry about him bringing coaching stuff/scouting teams from Everton is fine, being angry because he goes to a match to see one of our future centre backs as most likely it's 2 of them who are leaving in the summer and he decides to give an academy player a chance is not. It's idiocy driven by an agenda at it's finest.
Oh, and Baines just extended his contract, he's not coming here.
Im no fan of moyes but its baffling he's getting criticised for this. Hes scouting Keane to evaluate if he's at a stage whereby he can be part of the first team next season. Very simple and absolutely nothing wrong with it.
I like it when fans presume he's watching all these euro games for specific targets.
He just likes footy games, and is in the privileged position of getting in free to whatever game he likes!
He just likes footy games, and is in the privileged position of getting in free to whatever game he likes!
Indeed.
Yes he has Scouts who can pass on all relevant information, but there's no better way of judging a player than watching him with your own eyes. I've criticised him for many things but I see this as a big positive.
I think it was a Giggs who said that as a youth player nothing encouraged him more than the manager of a Manchester United coming to watch him play.
I find it funny when fans presume he's going to these games just to watch a game of football.
I don't remember this correctly but didn't Sir Alex used to make personal checks on players. I remember him being present for the Lyon vs. Lille game to check out Hazard and others a couple of years back. Didn't he also go and watch Nick Powell? I am sure there are many other instances.
Yup, he was at BVB vs Bayern game, I think it was the 5-2(or 3 ?) cup final. Probably wanted some time off club though.
Can't believe this is actually a talking point, I mean it was pretty frustrating when he was doing it around the Jan transfer window but as a general point a manager going to see players is fine both in his capacity in the job and also purely as something he might be choosing to do in his spare time. Its not like he's missing training or a match to go specifically watch people, then I could see why it might be a talking point but if he wants to go see a player then fine.
Maybe he just went to watch Michael Keane or the fact he fancied going to watch it anyway, as people do.
Maybe it is because he like....enjoys watching football.
"This shouldn't be criticized, so I'll list reasons I'm critical about it"
Is there a way of breathalysing posters before posting?
That's a wonderful idea, someone get him a Bayern ticket for this weekend and maybe we'd see sow thing other than hoof and cross with Young and Valencia...
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