tbf our defending this year has brought back memories of Gary's final season with us.
Moyes So Far!
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Thanks Mr Editor. We can't afford the lawsuitChanged for accuracy.
Thats the optimistic prediction. The realistic one: 0-4 after 20 minutes. Vidic sent off for hauling Suarez down. Penalty + red card. RVP sent off for 2 bookable fouls. Sterling repeatedly running past Evra. Young and Cleverley continually making 5 yard passes to each other. The customary Valencia brain fade at right back. Phil Jones injury. Carrick in defense. Moyes contract extension in addition to the Cleverley, Young and Valencia extensions.;>
Optimism could be your friend, just try.
If all that happens, I'll bet he won't last the summer. I'll actually bet on it. You don't get away with all that shit against Liverpool at OT, even if you're Mourinho. The away support will bundle over, every United legend will turn against Moyes, and we might hear tales of a a duel between SAF and SBR. If the loss agains tLiverpool or City is anything like the Fulham/Olympiakos game, we'll have a new manager making the big signings.
Thanks Mr Editor. We can't afford the lawsuit
Thats the optimistic prediction. The realistic one: 0-4 after 20 minutes. Vidic sent off for hauling Suarez down. Penalty + red card. RVP sent off for 2 bookable fouls. Sterling repeatedly running past Evra. Young and Cleverley continually making 5 yard passes to each other. The customary Valencia brain fade at right back. Phil Jones injury. Carrick in defense. Moyes contract extension in addition to the Cleverley, Young and Valencia extensions.;>
And what would be the pessimistic take on things? IMO, it can't get worse than that.
Or probably I just don't want to see it.
Seems like he overhauled our scouting system as well
Ah, fcuk! That is so disturbing info. Just why he felt he had to do it, and why the club allowed him to do this?
He really doesn't know much outside Everton, does he?
The club allowed it because he is manager. Anybody who expected him to just replace Fergie and keep the same staff has never run a large team/company.
Seems like you're the one who doesn't know about how big company run things. When winner like Google is hiring a CEO from Lycos, do you think they'll allow the new guy to bring his whole staffs from Lycos, and replace all the existing ones?
Moyes even thinks that our scout system need to be replaced with his Everton's, ffs.
He would be allowed to bring in his own team - yes. Football clubs are unique entities - and you don't seem to get that.
Do I agree with what is being done? No. Can I see why? Yes. The SAF era is over at the club. Fans have to understand that.
Calm down. Everton had a good record at transfers under Moyes. If anything, perhaps at times they were too cautious.
Didn't Pep only bring 2 people from Barcelona, when got a new gig at Bayern? I think the Bayern's boards are more sensible than us.
No overreaction at all here then.
The club allow him to make the changes he wants because they decided that he would be our next manager. And given that one of those people he's recruited was the European Scout at Chelsea (who could afford the best) and one in a key job at the FA there might even be the slightest possibility that these people might actually be quite good? I guess you haven't considered that before being a drama queen though
But what's the reason for replacing the scout system? Do you really think Everton scout system is better than United's?
Don't you think that players United get (for youth, reserve, and main team) are on different level than Everton's? Except for Baines (who hasn't even performed at international level) and Rooney (about 10 years ago), which other player during his tenure of 9 yrs at Everton that's been labeled World Class? Then compare them to United.
It's not being a drama queen, but just using common sense. Can you make sense of this?
He's not replacing the whole scouting system, he's strengthening it..Martin Ferguson retired too..Lawlor is maintained as are many of the others..And it's not just Everton's scouting system, one of them was at Chelsea..Try actually reading things!
You are shopping in different markets, but the skills in scouting are the same whatever level you look at. Strange meltdown.
The likes of Coleman, Oviedo, Cahill, Arteta, Mirallas etc.. were all signed him and for not much and that was with the Everton budget. Now with the United budget it's not beyond reason that he could unearth players that would be good enough for us
Meh, if you can't see what's wrong with this scout thing, not really much can be done. Especially with your way to involve in discussion by calling 'drama queen' and 'meltdown'. You'd go far in your career.
This has been the most pleasing aspect of Moyes' short tenure thus far, for me. He's identified areas we need to improve in on the playing field, and is willing to overhaul the previous set-up to ensure we have a platform to build upon for future success.
Also, a point many choose to now conveniently forget considering the 'controversial' decision to let Eric Steele go, is the success of Chris Wood in the goalkeeping coach role. He's had a profound effect on De Gea, who's looked so much more assured in his all-round goalkeeping the past six months. Long may it continue, too.
And compare them with Ronaldo, de Gea, Rafa, Carrick, Hernandez, Vidic, Evra, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Janujaz, Pogba, etc.
Well when you post shite like 'Ah, fcuk! That is so disturbing info. Just why he felt he had to do it, and why the club allowed him to do this?' it kinda resembles a drama queen meltdown.
Did you miss the point about the budget or are you ignoring it?
Most of the above players, Everton had no chance of signing for one reason or another. And most of them I wouldn't put down to good scouting either.
Good for you, man.
I didn't have an issue with Moyes letting go of the coaching staff, but De Gea could have been just as good with Steele around. He was certainly heading that way...
Not really. I think you're missing the point of 'budget' thing. He was given 65m, and blew them on Fellaini and Mata. And he's expecting another big money transfer again, in which United (ex) scouts were familiar with.
And Fergie blew 30m on Veron and Berbatov. 7 fecking million on Bebe. 17m on Young.
Well Ronaldo, De Gea, Carrick, Jones and Smalling were never players Everton could have signed, well Smalling when he was in conference or where ever potentially but hardly a testament to our scouting. Evans is home grown. So really its just rafa, hernandez, vidic and evra who were great spots out of that list and all have been great in fairness. But we've had a fair few stinkers in recent seasons as wel.
Evra had already played in a CL final and had made his debut for France. Hernandez was already making waves in Mexico both at his club and for country. Neither of them would have joined Everton. So, really, we are down to Vidic and Rafa.
True on Evra though considering we got him for 5m maybe they could have gotten him, not sure on Hernandez, think he was a great spot for us. But yh the overall point is that there's few top signings we've really made without spending a fair bit. I've no doubt we can improve there. Especially when we keep saying we can't find appropriate players for prices we want to pay. I'm sure there are plenty of less well known players who could improve us with the platform we could give them.
Whatever about Fellaini, you reckon United have blown money on Mata?
fecking hell. The moron quotient in this thread is so high.
De Gea was terrific last year, no doubt, but I think that there's been noticeable development in his all-round game this season.
Woods seems to be cutting the mustard, but considering how well regarded he is, that's no surprise.
How exactly he has blown 65m? Mata is an excellent signing that we needed. Maybe Moyes won't get the best out of Mata, but he is still playing well and in case Moyes get sacked I guess that the new manager would be thrilled to have a player of Mata quality. I agree that Fellaini wasn't a good signing but he has played well in the last 2 games and even if this signing doesn't work (very possible IMO) we can easily recuperate 15-17m from him. Which essentially mean that in worst case scenario he has blown 10m.
It hasn't been nice, but saying that he has blown 65m is an overreaction. Could those money have been spend better? Absolutely. However, I am delighted with Mata's signing and as long as we sign a better midfielder, I guess that Fellaini would do a job here.
"Blown" definitely isn't the right word for it. "Misused" would arguably be better. You could probably get away with saying it for Fellaini who, despite his recent improvement which indicates he'll make a decent squad player at the very least, hasn't been great overall for the money signed and the job required of him.
Mata arguably isn't what we need, but unless he just can't adapt or isn't used properly long term, then I don't think we've really 'blown' the money on him.
Mata arguably isn't what we need, but unless he just can't adapt or isn't used properly long term, then I don't think we've really 'blown' the money on him.
I was replying to a post which insinuating that Moyes work in small budget transfer. I merely suggested that his argument wasn't valid, because this season Moyes was given 65m, and blew it in TWO players only. It doesn't mean I don't rate those two (which would be ridiculous. Who doesn't rate Mata?).
I thought, given the context my post replied to, it's a bit obvious what I meant. Maybe we should ask Poque?
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Even then though, I don't see how he 'blew' it if the more expensive signing was a top player. 'Blowing' money would indicate that he's wasted it. If he wanted very good quality, we weren't going to get many players for that sort of money.
Teams have been getting more quality players with 65m. If Moyes can't find them, doesn't mean they aren't there. And we actually got those two not as bargain: one overpaid, one is about right (you could argue that we might overpaid for position United don't really need).
Either that or he's sucking on a bunch of rolled up tenners.
Just saw that he was (looked like) scouting at the Blackburn/Burnley game, were there any players of real interest playing?
David Dunn
Probably Michael Keane making his debut for Blackburn. A few premiership clubs are prob looking at Ings and Trippier, doubt us though.
May have been Keane who just went on loan at Blackburn?
edit - datura got there first
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