Moyes' brand of football would first and foremost be described as hard to beat, I don't think that's unfair to say. We haven't really adapted a brand of football this season other than maybe an over emphasis on width, which I feel is Moyes perhaps overly concerned with upholding the club's traditions on the football pitch, no thanks to Gary Neville.
Moyes So Far!
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Take a moment to think about how the situation at United this season differs from those other clubs.
There's a clue in the post you quoted.
United had to lower their expectations. Continuing the success of Ferguson was always going to be impossible. The hold he had over the division was as much a mental one as a physical one.
But to consider dropping out of the top four is really quite astonishing. That's a humongous failure, whichever way you look at it.
There isn't a single opposition fan who wants Moyes to go. That says it all.
But to consider dropping out of the top four is really quite astonishing. That's a humongous failure, whichever way you look at it.
There isn't a single opposition fan who wants Moyes to go. That says it all.
Yeah thats what I've been saying, just another excuse. All other managers need two months Moyes needs two years.. And you know what, I might just accept that if I'd seen some kind of change in our play, but in 7 months I've seen nothing.
Agreed, we'll never see the domination we had under Ferguson ever again. It's completely unreasonable to expect such success, even with a Mourinho at the helm.
But as you said, to drop out of the top four and as low down as seventh (!) is completely unacceptable at Manchester United.
Says everything we need to know.
I think if we'd got a Mourihno or Guardiola, it would have just demorilised the rest of the league even more. Fergie finally goes, and who comes in, one of the most succesful managers in world football. Fantastic. That would have been a huge phsycological blow to everyone, especially if we'd managed to get one of those in within days of Fergie announcing is retirement.
It was bringing Moyes is that made everyone sit up and think, 'hang on a second'.
Yet we've United fans that are insistent on keeping him, it's like the ultimate sado masochistic view from a group mentality of, we're Man United we always do it the hard way, well this is the ultimate hard way, with a good manager learning how to become a great one whilst we hang about watching him fumble blindly for the answer to how to get a great group of players to play decent football.
We did. We didn't expect a title challenge but to finish in the top 4 would have been a minimum first season performance as part of the transition. What has transpired is completely unacceptable yet the club have let it happen.
Well, the difference I see is that we were taken over by an incompetent manager (at this level).
Not sure about the clue though.
Yep. The fear factor has gone, teams come to us now not scared and knowing they can beat us. We needed to make a statement, Mourinho would have been that. And I would bet anything that he'd have us in the top 4 right now and maybe even competing for the title. Just his aura would have been enough to do that in the first season.
I don't agree, really.
Even if you'd got a top manager, there would still have been some kind of performance drop off. Sides would still have come to Old Trafford with a renewed vigour. Under Mourinho, this would quickly have been corrected, in my view, but the first few months would still have been tough.
If we're being honest, Mourinho was the best bet. He'd have needed a season probably, but you'd have finished top four and then could kick on from there.
I really don't believe any team is ever going to have a stranglehold on the league any more. There's too much quality across the top sides now. There won't be any 5/7 league title winners for a while.
I dont think so. If we had signed Mourinho and Thiago for example right after SAF retired the fear factor would still be there teams would still be dreading to come and play us at home and we would be have been as good as ever.
Mourinho would still have had to deal with problem areas like Ferdinand and Vidic. Evra and Carrick are also in decline. RVP has been injured this season.
Moyes has had problems that have been out of his control. This would have applied to every manager.
I remember one of the BBC journos (Ben Smith iirc) tweeted, just after Fergie's announcement, that we'd lined up Mourinho and Ronaldo to come in. Can you imagine that?...There's no way that the club would have lost any fear with those two coming in. I don't like it when people talk about signing players to make a statement, but if ever there was a time that it would have been suitible, it was this summer for United. We needed to make a statement that Fergie leaving didn't mean the end of the empire, and a Mourihno/Guardiola + a Ronaldo would have done just that....Instead, we got Moyes + Fellaini.
"Don't come to me with problems, come to me with solutions".
That was one of my old bosses favourite sayings and I think it's very apt in this case. There has been a number of problems that he has had to deal with and besides Rooney he hasn't dealt with any of them.
Mourinho has had to deal with Chelsea's problems of an ageing Terry, Lampard and Cole, a weak frontline, the expectation level of returning to Chelsea, and the fact that the team finished 14 points behind United last season...And he's top of the league.
If United had employed a quality manager, there is no way we'd be where we are. I'd wager good money we'd still be in the title race right now tbh.
Doubt Vidic would be going, or Evra and if they did, I don't think we'd have had to worry about possible replacements not wanting to play for Mourhino.
Some has definitely been out of his control, but it's unlikely that Mourinho would have destroyed our fear factor in the first few weeks had he joined. Or any other top manager ego maniac for that matter..
Our squad is more than good enough for the top 4 as is. Mourinho would have obviously added a couple of players too, we would be challenging and as good as ever.
This isn't a defence of Moyes, by the way. He's been beyond awful and clearly isn't up to the job. It was apparent from the FA Cup game onwards that it wasn't going to turn around.
Its widely reported that the talk around the squad after Fergie's announcement was that the players wanted Mourinho, so can you imagine the dissapointment when they got Moyes instead?...Realistically, is it any wonder they haven't naturally warmed to him?,,,Why would players who have won everything there is to win respect and be motivated by a mid table manager who's never won anything?....As Mike pointed out a few months ago, you don't choose to have repsect for someone, its a natural thing, you either do or you don't.
Exactly.
I imagine a few of them were gobsmacked when he was picked. I'm surprised Rooney decided to stay to be honest.
True, but it's hardly as if Everton played the stuff of our dreams. Let's put it this way, if we'd talked a few months ago about why we should appoint Moyes, I'd say his brand of football wouldn't be on the list.
I'm OK there. We're not getting fourth, but if we gel and start playing good stuff and winning games on a regular basis, that can be good enough to justify a second season. If he can't even achieve that, then I'm sorry, but no.
We're not going to start performing over night, we'll see the same shite for the remainder of the season.
But but but, he needs time to build his own squad! He needs time to sign them "world class" players before we can really judge him on how he'll perform. How can anyone win with a squad that someone else built?
/sarcasm off.
True, but even if that's true I doubt they made up their minds there and then not to give him a chance. If they don't rate him now, it must be because of everything they saw so far.
8 Out of 10 Cats just had our crisis down as the second most talked about news-story of the week, after the impending start of world war 3 - which is a fair enough news item to be second to.
Actually not too harsh a segment given the nature of the show - I was expecting worse. Slightly odd that Sean Locke called it the best news ever since, as a Chelsea fan, I'd think the news that his club had been bought by a multi-billionaire who was going to spunk a billion on players, managers and infrastructure might have beaten the news that United were falling apart, but I guess that's just taken for granted these days. Leeds fan Jon Richardson was fair about it, fully acknowledging everyone loved it because of how good we've been in the past - which is fair enough.
In addition to talking about Rooney's new contract, they did blame Moyes for the decline since he doesn't have the magic power of Fergie. Richardson also talked about visiting a United forum that sounded not too unlike the Caf
Actually not too harsh a segment given the nature of the show - I was expecting worse. Slightly odd that Sean Locke called it the best news ever since, as a Chelsea fan, I'd think the news that his club had been bought by a multi-billionaire who was going to spunk a billion on players, managers and infrastructure might have beaten the news that United were falling apart, but I guess that's just taken for granted these days. Leeds fan Jon Richardson was fair about it, fully acknowledging everyone loved it because of how good we've been in the past - which is fair enough.
In addition to talking about Rooney's new contract, they did blame Moyes for the decline since he doesn't have the magic power of Fergie. Richardson also talked about visiting a United forum that sounded not too unlike the Caf
8 Out of 10 Cats just had our crisis down as the second most talked about news-story of the week, after the impending start of world war 3 - which is a fair enough news item to second to.
Actually not too harsh a segment given the nature of the show - I was expecting worse. Slightly odd that Sean Locke called it the best news ever since, as a Chelsea fan, I'd think the news that his club had been bought by a multi-billionaire who was going to spunk a billion on players, managers and infrastructure might have beaten the news that United were falling apart, but I guess that's just taken for granted these days. Leeds fan Jon Richardson was fair about it, fully acknowledging everyone loved it because of how good we've been in the past - which is fair enough.
In addition to talking about Rooney's new contract, they did blame Moyes for the decline since he doesn't have the magic power of Fergie. Richardson also talked about visiting a United forum that sounded not too unlike the Caf
We're famous?!
8 Out of 10 Cats just had our crisis down as the second most talked about news-story of the week, after the impending start of world war 3 - which is a fair enough news item to be second to.
Actually not too harsh a segment given the nature of the show - I was expecting worse. Slightly odd that Sean Locke called it the best news ever since, as a Chelsea fan, I'd think the news that his club had been bought by a multi-billionaire who was going to spunk a billion on players, managers and infrastructure might have beaten the news that United were falling apart, but I guess that's just taken for granted these days. Leeds fan Jon Richardson was fair about it, fully acknowledging everyone loved it because of how good we've been in the past - which is fair enough.
In addition to talking about Rooney's new contract, they did blame Moyes for the decline since he doesn't have the magic power of Fergie. Richardson also talked about visiting a United forum that sounded not too unlike the Caf
Right that's it. Let's Twitter him and get him to join.
Absolutely correct.
We are celebs now!
He'd also have had the confidence and gravitas to keep Meulesteen and Phelan who it ha become very clear were important people let alone coaches to the first team.
Mourinho doesn't even have an assistant at Chelsea, does he?
Even if he had got rid of them he'd have brought in his own coaches in that are proven at the top level, which would have been very hard to argue with.
We appointed a manager with "Scottishness", determination and toughness. These qualities will have him in good stead after a horrific first season.
Why did we have to appoint someone who might be good at bouncing back from failure though? Isnt that accepting defeat? How about hire a manager who is going to do well and isnt going to need to bounce back.
Why did we have to appoint someone who might be good at bouncing back from failure though? Isnt that accepting defeat? How about hire a manager who is going to do well and isnt going to need to bounce back.
I doubt Mourinho would have kept them on. I think he'd have made a statement. Past is the past, I want more. Something like that. Brought his own people and motivated those players.
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