Mourinho the defensive manager, the (2nd) greatest football myth of our time.
His teams have been the top 2 highest scoring team in every season is every league he's managed in.
Moyes So Far!
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His teams have been the top 2 highest scoring team in every season is every league he's managed in.
Let us take Mourinho as an example but for a another position of ST; Mourinho has Torres and Eto'o who are absolutely woeful, Did Mourinho get rid of these players and get a new striker? No, because there is no one around that is good enough and is free to leave. This applies to Valencia and Young. This is not a transfer topic anyway, I don't want to into detail.
Kagawa has not reached expectations, why people keep on hyping him up is ridiculous. I mean, Mata who is a very similar type of player has made more assists than he has in like...forever!
Moyes does not have the players he want to go forward with the team, he has to make do with the players he has. He is trying to make us get results and that means he has to let us play plan B. Plan B cant get into fruition because the players have thrown their toys out the pram. So Moyes is stuck in limbo is dragging the team towards the finishing line. But he is playing the crossing games as that is a core aspect of what he likes in a team, not the sole aspect. But we don't have any wingers or fulbacks that cross which is embarrassing to the core. I don't think Fergie looked at crossing abiities when he sought after a player, you can tell with lack of scouting technology used in the fergie era. Less statistics were used and more reliance on the eye.
I find him going to Bayern games and scouting Kroos very eye opening. Even with the performances we have made, he is still looking at the future and wants to fulfil a vision that we don't know. I just hope Moyes would come out and say to the fans how he would like the team to go forward.
Strategy 2: Hoof and cross against weaker sides when we have lots of possession, the primary aim is to get to the by-line.
Did someone tell him this is not American football?
Next summer, be prepared to be impressed with Moyes' transfer targets - Messi and Ronaldo.
It's Woodward's fault we couldn't get them and Moyes can't fulfill his vision.
Againy, people please have some perspective!
Smalling is covering for Rafael! Jones is injured and when he is playing, he plays in CM because we have no CM that can do the job he can. He has played in CB like once or two time this year, but Fellaini is injured so he can't choose where he wants to play. Now that Fellaini is back, I guarantee you we will see more of Jones at CB.
Get Carricj out and put in Jones? No way. Carrick is the only midfielder who can actually pass the ball forward and dictate tempo! Jones and Carrick complement each other with passing ability/Positioning (Carrick) and strength/Mobility (Jones)!
If you did see when we played Smalling and Evans, that was when we was most successful!
Not such a great idea to get rid of our starting RB the last time we made a CL final then, was it?
They showed them last week as they are our CL opposition. 2-0 now. Olympiakos has a player go off in the first half. He just fell over, collapsed flat on his face. Went off on a motorised stretcher.
Similar to Moyes he tried for a top player and couldn't get to him. Similar to Moyes he in the end got a shitty one. Oh wait, it is not similar at all, his striker cost nothing.
Anyway, my point was about Young/Valencia not midfield. I don't care that much if he plays Fellaini or Cleverley, both are terrible on my eyes, though Fellaini is a better player. But on the wings we have quality (Januzaj, Kagawa, Mata on the league, Nani if/when fully fit) but from the beginning he has went for the worst two players we have had in quite a few years.
How he can be spectacular when he does not play? He has a run of two consecutive games this entire season, in both of them getting replaces. He didn't played a single minute for around 6 weeks before the Olympiacos game, and then in those minutes he created the best oppurtunity.
The team who won 5 of the last 7 league titles, was a referee away from eleminating Madrid isn't fancy enough for Moyes. Right.
What if the supposed B plan is actually his A plan? As his time from Everton and all the things here make me believe that.
And I fantasize about Natalie Portman but don't have a girlfriend since I moved the country a few months ago.
Mourinho has an infinitely superior brand of football to Moyes. It is one of the worst legends ever made that Mourinho is a defensive manager. Record number of points in both England and Spain, record number of goals in Spain (something that even Pep's Barca couldn't have done). He even won the UCL with a poor Porto, scoring 17 goals in process.
I didn't miss Lukaku, he was your only good point in your post and he will be missed next season. The other ones you mentioned won't. Because, there is a very good chance that both Barry and Deloufeu will be there next season. City won't need Barry back and apparently Martinez is talking with Barca for the extension of Deulofeu because Barca won't need him next season and he is developing well. Why the need to mention Barkley (who anyway isn't better than Kagawa, Januzaj, Nani or Rooney in top form)? He was there last season, Moyes chose not to play him.
It is true that Martinez on the first year at Everton is getting more points than Moyes has ever done. It isn't quite a big difference with Moyes best year, but still, as we all know, managers need timeIf he would have made such a big decline as Moyes did with United, Everton would have been already relagated.
You don't understand, Mourinho has based his career on counter attack football! He sets his team out compact and hard to beat and then transitions quickly to attack.
Moyes seems to try and implement a similair stance here, but we have Mata, RVP and maybe Januzaj who are really slow. So we are stuck in their third not knowing what to do as the oppo all rush back.
You may say well we have valencia and Young, but they don't other qualities to make that quick transitions effective: They can't look up and pass the ball, they can't put in effective crosses. So we are stuck. This maybe because of their lack of quality or lack of confidence, I think it is a bit of both.
Huh? They are really slow? Compare that to the likes of Torres, Etoo?
Riot police out in Athens. Head coach poleaxed by missile.
But you don't understand.
Is @yanuzay actually the real Moyes? The first time I saw here and he said to me that I don't understand (apparently Moyes' tactics). The only other person in the world who has said that people (in that case including me too) should have a footballing brain in order to understand Moyes' tactics is actually Moyes himself.
Oh, Januzaj is not slow at all. He is pretty fast. And Kagawa is fast too. And Welbeck is fast too. And Chicha is even faster. By the way, we regularly play Rooney who is fast too.
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Yes, he did try the high-pressing game, albeit with slow defenders with Ferdinand and Vidic, which was why we didn't do well with this. If he played a duo from Smalling, Jones, and Evans, he would have been able to play the high-pressing game because the 3 latter defenders are faster than Ferdinand and Vidic. However, injuries affected this implementation, hence why he resorted to sitting deep, being solid, and keeping shape.
If Moyes was a competent manager, he would
Why hasn't he balanced them out? Why doesn't he play to the strengths of his players? Great coaches, regardless of what players they have, always find a way to amplify the strengths of their players and attenuate their weaknesses. Moyes hasn't done this, so far (why would he play slow defenders in Ferdinand and Vidic in a high-pressing system in the first place?).
Both Swansea and Southampton have worse defenders, goalkeeper(s), and forwards than we do (midfield is debatable). It isn't the quality of players that's making them play better than us, for sure.
At Southampton, Pochettino gets the best out of Lambert and Rodriguez by setting up his team to cross the ball into the box at every opportunity, thus playing into the aerial strengths of Rodriguez and Lambert. Swansea is a good example of how players weren't played to their strengths. Laudrup always played Jonathan de Guzman in central midfield when he's best as an attacking midfielder. Bony couldn't fit into Swansea's short-passing setup, so Laudrup had to set up a more direct, crossing style to bring the best out of Bony, which didn't bring the best out of the likes of Britton, de Guzman, Routledge, and Swansea's Spanish recruits. One of the reasons Swansea struggled at the beginning was because the likes of Shelvey and Bony didn't fit into their short-passing style of play and were better in a more direct setup.
All of that aside, it is important to play to the players' strengths and not just be stubborn and play one way like Villas-Boas has done, so far, if the players aren't available. For Moyes to set up a strong Man. Utd., he either needs to get players in who will fit into his style of play or play to the players' strengths. If he fails to do either, then we'll continue to struggle.
Yes, he did try the high-pressing game, albeit with slow defenders with Ferdinand and Vidic, which was why we didn't do well with this. If he played a duo from Smalling, Jones, and Evans, he would have been able to play the high-pressing game because the 3 latter defenders are faster than Ferdinand and Vidic. However, injuries affected this implementation, hence why he resorted to sitting deep, being solid, and keeping shape.
If Moyes was a competent manager, he would
Why hasn't he balanced them out? Why doesn't he play to the strengths of his players? Great coaches, regardless of what players they have, always find a way to amplify the strengths of their players and attenuate their weaknesses. Moyes hasn't done this, so far (why would he play slow defenders in Ferdinand and Vidic in a high-pressing system in the first place?).
Both Swansea and Southampton have worse defenders, goalkeeper(s), and forwards than we do (midfield is debatable). It isn't the quality of players that's making them play better than us, for sure.
At Southampton, Pochettino gets the best out of Lambert and Rodriguez by setting up his team to cross the ball into the box at every opportunity, thus playing into the aerial strengths of Rodriguez and Lambert. Swansea is a good example of how players weren't played to their strengths. Laudrup always played Jonathan de Guzman in central midfield when he's best as an attacking midfielder. Bony couldn't fit into Swansea's short-passing setup, so Laudrup had to set up a more direct, crossing style to bring the best out of Bony, which didn't bring the best out of the likes of Britton, de Guzman, Routledge, and Swansea's Spanish recruits. One of the reasons Swansea struggled at the beginning was because the likes of Shelvey and Bony didn't fit into their short-passing style of play and were better in a more direct setup.
All of that aside, it is important to play to the players' strengths and not just be stubborn and play one way like Villas-Boas has done, so far, if the players aren't available. For Moyes to set up a strong Man. Utd., he either needs to get players in who will fit into his style of play or play to the players' strengths. If he fails to do either, then we'll continue to struggle.
I think you are confused.
They were both not regular starters, Fabio had a better form leading to that Final. People forget that Fabio was a better player than Rafael in the first few years. It is only when Fabio left on loan did Rafael drastically improved.
Look at this. Moyes has turned people against each other.
I forgot to mention (honest mistake) that you need pacey Midfielders too.
Have you forgotten Hazard, Rimeras, Torres is fast (even if he dropped a little bit, he is fast), Willian?!?!
No, I'm not confused at all, I'm pointing out that had he not sold Fabio, he wouldn't have had to play Smalling at RB all the time.
Moyesball in a nutshell.
Oh, and playing a 300k a week striker in the central midfield, while an actual cm who cost 27million sits on the bench.
Yep, the same Fabio that had a Red card in the first 10 seconds of him coming on?
After not playing for around 2 months. The same guy who played very good and was overpresent in pre-season but then had a total of 110 minutes of gametime in 6 months (and scored a goal). And yes, the same guy who played in UCL final, 2 UCL semi finals and UCL quarter final.
I do love the term "Moyesball".
Difference with Mourinho though is that he has got the rest of his team solid and set them up to get the most out of his key attacking players. He wants more from his strikers but he's got them playing in such a way that it allows the likes of Hazard to influence. Moyes has set up in such a way that our key creativity is driven by the very players who are not good enough anymore and who are underperforming, our team isn't based on getting our best players on the ball the most and getting them to influence, but putting them at the mercy of the likes of valencia.
To say Moyes has no options for me doesn't work. He could opt to play a different way. Clev has shown when asked that he can play disciplined and hold his position but often he's allowed to roam. Rooney has shown he is willing to play deeper which would significantly help us to attack centrally, yet we play in such a way that he or Welbeck if he's in the same role don't link up well with the cm nor with the striker. If Rooney refuses to play in such a way that gets the most out of the team rather than himself than thats an issue he should be addressing.
The worst thing is that he doesn't seem to even think there have been problems in how we've played. He's not shown any indication that he sees our incredibly one dimensional play an issue nor that he thinks Valencia for example has under performed given that he brought his back in, in the CL. I mean he even partnered him with Smalling when between them, their output on the right is sketchy at best. Another issue, he wants to concentrate attacking play from wide, relying on the fullbacks heavily but he's only given himself two options who can play their appropriately, freezing out another player and then selling him and not getting a replacement.
Moyes has unquestionably under utilised this squad. I accept some players have under performed and look like they're no longer able to play the level we need, he's had bad luck as well but like I said he's definitely under performed with what he has/had.
The guy was obviously trying too hard to prove himself in Moyes' eyes and had a headrush. He was good but injuries kind of stagnated his career and Moyes gave him zero opportunities apart from that game. He's still young and will only improve with game time. Sadly it won't be for us.
Yet apparently a worse player than Smalling at RB.
Yes, the same guy who went on loan to be given game time. What happened there? Exactly, didn't show anything like the player he was.
I don't know what happened to him that led to his downfall, but you can let someone stay if you given him chances and didn't produce (in that loan spell and some game time), especially if you have a player better than him who is performing consistently.
We all know about being too sentimental.
Compared to say Januzaj who is 19 years old?
Ashley Young CL apps : 14
Shinji Kagawa CL apps : 13
Ergo experience prevails.
Shinji Kagawa CL apps : 13
Ergo experience prevails.
Forget how flawed that argument is seeing as how Januzaj hasn't had the opportunity to showcase himself on the big stage, how the flying feck has Young done so in an established manner?
As Raven pointed out, 110 minutes of football in 6 months!!!
Look at back my previous replies and that will explain why.
I couldn't see who it was, it ended up 3-0. They could have won their league tonight, but lost big time. There were flares coming on. Someone hit in the face. Nasty stuff. They are still going to win the league by a mile and they react like this. I think it was their first loss of the season. Thank god we don't react in that way to a few set backs.
Why have you not highlighted the loan spell at QPR? Agenda driven?
Look at previous posts on explanation.
I don't know what he got upto at QPR, anyway, the point remains that 110 minutes is no way enough to decide if he can be useful, especially when you see Smalling playing so many games (badly) at RB.
I suppose an unbeaten run ended like that at home to your fiercest rivals probably drives you over the edge.
It was me - and I'm pretty sure of it
Get Woodward to sign all those Panathanaikos players on loan before the CL return leg.
This part of the Andy Mitten piece is not consistent with what we've long heard about having an excellent youth system. The 90 minute rule has already been changed so what else might he think is wrong?
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