They had a good 2nd half of the year, I remember some Liverpool fans pointing out their points tally for the 2nd half being championship material.
Moyes So Far!
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They had a good 2nd half of the year, I remember some Liverpool fans pointing out their points tally for the 2nd half being championship material.
They were terrible.
Trophies are one thing...Performances like Tuesday night is another.
My original posts on Moyes were "Meh. Don't like him but, a few years finishing in the top 3 or 4 and a decent run in the domestic cups would be great till he gets himself sorted"....I never expected much. But there is no excuse for taking us this low. Not in my mind anyways
In the first half they were the same old Liverpool but in the second half, you could see the improvement and they were the most in form team in the 2nd half of the season
No - he finished higher than their previous season and played better football.
Moyes is finishing far lower and has played worse football.
How would you know Moyes' philosophy? He's working with players he inherited. Here's a thought - maybe he just doesn't have the players to set up his teams to play like Barca, or Munich.
Can someone get stats to prove Liverpool progressing over the second half of last season?
He's been a manager in the Premier League for 13 years now.
I'm with you 100%, as are most match going fans. I continue to be amused by how the people in this thread react with such vitriol to the situation. We'll be fine. Be patient. If, after a few years, there's no progress, we'll make a change. In the meantime, being negative about our manager changes nothing. The consensus was before the season that Moyes had an incredibly hard job to do, following Sir Alex. It's looked it so far, but less than a single year in charge is just not enough, nor is less than 2 years.
This is the mentality I have as well.
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You can make an educated guess on his philosophy from watching his decade at Everton, and I even managed to catch a couple games of his old Preston side at the time, also your point on inheriting other managers players... Martinez at Everton is an example of inheriting another managers players yet coaching them to play football in his design.
Now thats a novel approach isnt it? a coach.... coaching his players!?
And people can't change? I'm pretty sure he has been quoted as saying that he wants to play attractive football, and with Everton, when he assembled more talented, skilful players their playing style improved. The results of which Martinez is benefitting from.
That's a shit excuse. He was at everton for 10 years and he could have built them however he wanted, and we all know what style he chose. He comes to united and has us playing the exact same way, getting the exact same results. Having the right players here doesn't matter, his first signing was fellaini when he could have signed somebody who'd be more suited to a passing game. Does Southampton have better players then us? Even Sunderland have played better football under Poyet then we have under Moyes ffs, are you going to say they have players more suited to that style? A manager gets his teams to play how he wants, irrespective of the players. We have talented players like januzaj, mata, kagawa, Rooney, rvp and nani at the club who'd all be more suited to a quick passing game, yet he chooses to play a style which only suits Valencia and young.
Unless we can entice players of real quality I doubt it would be enough. Paper talk won't be enough either.
Mata wasn't a bad start...
He had to play a certain way with resources at his disposal.
I also maintain i seriously doubt players will look at Moyes and think they want to play for him
True but we were still in the Champions League then and faced no competition for him either. Is Moyes alone enough to attract players of Kroos' quality and above, not quite sure about that especially as the team currently lacks any kind of vision.
Lets not kid ourselves, Mata wanted out of Chelsea and for the money we brandished (when no one else was) it was only going to end one way
I agree, not having glory hunters in our fanbase is so much more important than being a successful club. Got our priorities right, the two of us.
Educated guess?
But no guarantee of CL football next season and just because there wasn't reports of interest from other clubs in Mata I would be surprised if a player of his quality wasn't in the minds of other top clubs.
I have watched Everton for a decade. It is easy to see that he played a certain brand of football, which he has continued playing here.
If I am not mistaken, they were the team who got most points in the second half of the season after us. The other poster posted stats which clearly show how much they improved.
Come on Sultan. He inherited the league champions. He buggered around in the transfer market all summer and ended up with one of his Everton boys who, when he has played, has done nothing to suggest that he's going to improve the team in any way, shape, or form. He brought in Steve "who he" Round, Phil Neville, who's a novice coach, and he has rotated the team around like he's playing speed chess with a football team. The football has been awful; worse that some of the stuff we played in 1974. We're out of the cups, down the league table, and on our way out of Europe. He's got more excuses up his sleeve than Osborne and Cameron put together.
Oh yes, I hear Big Sams plan is going to gradually implement a tiki taka approach at West Ham after he gets the right players in, despite after so many years in the league, and Arsene Wenger will abandon his principles and pick up where George Graham left off, defending his way to titles, 1-0 to the Arsenal is making a comeback!
No, but in all seriousness could you give us an example of a manager involved in 10+ years of football radically altering his style.
Yes because only glory hunters want Moyes out after no showing any signs of improvement. Only glory hunters question how bad the team is right now... Do one
That's a poor excuse in all honesty. With the same resources, most of the same players and some clever additions Martinez has Everton playing a more attractive brand of football. Points wise they're not drastically different from last season but their football and mentality as a team has improved.
Moyes still managed to close the deal so must have been able to sell the club to Mata despite little hope that we'd be playing CL football next season.
He like quite a few of people still thought we would make CL football next season I'm sure. I think Athletico were in Mata so reality is no other club was really interested in him. It was a bit like Arsenal signing Ozil.
If we were anywhere near decent, he wouldn't be here. Jose would have sold him abroad.
Before the season started someone was claiming that he used an attacking style of play managing Preston North End and that he would be happy to adapt to a more attacking style if he had the right players, i.e. the United squad.
Though perhaps after so many years at Everton playing a pretty conservative attacking game has changed his thoughts on attacking football.
Really though, he never could have gotten the job without talking up attacking football, the 'United Way', 'football taught by Matt Busby' and all that jazz.
Though perhaps after so many years at Everton playing a pretty conservative attacking game has changed his thoughts on attacking football.
Really though, he never could have gotten the job without talking up attacking football, the 'United Way', 'football taught by Matt Busby' and all that jazz.
SAF adapted his style over the years, it was the key to his longevity and only those with an agenda wouldn't acknowledge that Moyes got Everton playing very good football for the majority of last season. I wish people would at least post with some objectivity.
He probably did talk up the 'United way' a lot in his interview with the board, unfortunately his current impression seems to be just focusing on wingers putting the ball into the box with a flat 2 banks of four.
With FFP it seems sometimes managers have to be more pragmatic with sales.
Didn't Gill push for Mourinho? We should let him pick the next guy.
There was only a third of a season left. Surely Chelsea weren't thinking such short term?
Since we aren't going to qualify for the CL, FFP doesn't matter to us.
All Moyes had to say was "we'll play you" and he would have come running. At the end of the day he was trying to save his world cup dream by actually playing football and not sitting on the bench.
It wasnt like he picked us because of what we can offer but whether it would be good for him
I wouldn't say he radically altered how he played, but I take your point he was one indeed who gradually emphasised a more disciplined approach, he did however emphasise wingers and forwards since his first few years, and left us with a full stable of forwards (RVP, Chich, Rooney, Welbeck,Kagawa) fighting for 2 spots,
He allowed a different appraoch with Quieroz's spells at the club, and when he wasnt he'd start sliding back towards his own principles.
Also despite how you say Everton played last year, the 2 loyal Evertonians I speak with both wanted him gone last year and just about every Evertonian on the earth will tell you the difference in playing styles this season compared with last.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,
Strategy compensates for talent..Talent does not compensate for lack of strategy
Strategy compensates for talent..Talent does not compensate for lack of strategy
He forgot to ask where he'd be played, playing as a conventional winger is doing anything but help his WC chances.
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