Moyes So Far!

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Fergie should have absolutely no say on United anymore. He's now the ex manager, so why should he still have power. Its just ridiculous. In what business does a manager of a company retire, then get to pick his successor, and then also choose when/if he gets fired for performing badly?

I love Fergie, and everything he has done for the club, and the amazing memories he has given us as fans, but he shouldn't have power at the club anymore imo. We need a completely clean slate, a clean break, a new era. Fergie still having such authority muddies the water, and makes that new era almost impossible.
 
Sam said:
Fergie should have absolutely no say on United anymore. He's now the ex manager, so why should he still have power. Its just ridiculous. In what business does a manager of a company retire, then get to pick his successor, and then also choose when/if he gets fired for performing badly?

I love Fergie, and everything he has done for the club, and the amazing memories he has given us as fans, but he shouldn't have power at the club anymore imo. We need a completely clean slate, a clean break, a new era. Fergie still having such authority muddies the water, and makes that new era almost impossible.
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Yup, nobody is bigger then the club, including, fergie. Once he's gone, he's gone. Shouldn't have an impact on decisions regarding the future as it's unlikely they will be the best thought out decisions, thinking more with the heart then head if you know what I mean.
 
Sam said:
Fergie should have absolutely no say on United anymore. He's now the ex manager, so why should he still have power. Its just ridiculous. In what business does a manager of a company retire, then get to pick his successor, and then also choose when/if he gets fired for performing badly?

I love Fergie, and everything he has done for the club, and the amazing memories he has given us as fans, but he shouldn't have power at the club anymore imo. We need a completely clean slate, a clean break, a new era. Fergie still having such authority muddies the water, and makes that new era almost impossible.
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Would you rather owners choose a football manager? Sir Alex has been involved in football for 65 years at the top level, and it's right and understandable he has a say in who manages the club. That's not to say he always gets everything right. It's even too early to judge if he has even got Moyes' appointment wrong.
 
Sam said:
Fergie should have absolutely no say on United anymore. He's now the ex manager, so why should he still have power. Its just ridiculous. In what business does a manager of a company retire, then get to pick his successor, and then also choose when/if he gets fired for performing badly?

I love Fergie, and everything he has done for the club, and the amazing memories he has given us as fans, but he shouldn't have power at the club anymore imo. We need a completely clean slate, a clean break, a new era. Fergie still having such authority muddies the water, and makes that new era almost impossible.
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Right. I think the management should have organized an official poll on Redcafe to pick the new manager.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yup, nobody is bigger then the club, including, fergie. Once he's gone, he's gone. Shouldn't have an impact on decisions regarding the future as it's unlikely they will be the best thought out decisions, thinking more with the heart then head if you know what I mean.
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He's not gone. He's still a part of the club. The retired manager comparison is nonsense since he's still a director.
 
Had this appointment been made by the Glazers people would have slated Sir Alex for not being involved.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yup, nobody is bigger then the club, including, fergie. Once he's gone, he's gone. Shouldn't have an impact on decisions regarding the future as it's unlikely they will be the best thought out decisions, thinking more with the heart then head if you know what I mean.
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Problem is that the owners know naught of football and they depend on the likes of him, Bobby and Gill to guide them who are all old fashioned men. Let's say we sack them for backing Moyes. Then what ? Who do we trust in football terms ? This is why it wouldn't have been such a bad idea to have a modern thinking football man as the Sporting Director. Clubs all over Europe are doing it and benefiting from it, while we still live in the 80s and are being left behind. Just look at the jobs Hoeness and Zorc are doing for Bayern and Dortmund. And they aren't binkered by loyalty neither. Bayern ruthlessly chucked Heynekes when Pep became available, they'll probably shaft Mandzukic for Lewandowski. We are paying the price for being too sentimental and traditional while everybody is innovating new strategies.
 
Sam said:
Fergie should have absolutely no say on United anymore. He's now the ex manager, so why should he still have power. Its just ridiculous. In what business does a manager of a company retire, then get to pick his successor, and then also choose when/if he gets fired for performing badly?

I love Fergie, and everything he has done for the club, and the amazing memories he has given us as fans, but he shouldn't have power at the club anymore imo. We need a completely clean slate, a clean break, a new era. Fergie still having such authority muddies the water, and makes that new era almost impossible.
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Yeah, Sir Alex Ferguson the most decorated manager in football, a man who has contributed more to our club than anyone else ever, who led United to a period of unprecedented dominance of English football should have absolutely no say in who is our next or current manager - sure what the feck does he know about football? Let the Glazers and Edward Woodward choose our manager. Maybe we should go by stats in Football Manager, they are usually pretty spot on.

Jesus H Christ the level of idiocy here sometimes is enough to cause an aneurysm. Some peoples replies should come with a health warning. Imbecile. Pathetic fan. Ungrateful. Spoilt. Idiotic.
 
Sultan said:
Had this appointment been made by the Glazers people would have slated Sir Alex for not being involved.
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Probably but it doesn't change the fact that Fergie has made the wrong choice. He didn't get every transfer right either.

I think he has every right to have a voice at the club but we can't afford to back Moyes to the hilt just on Fergie's say so.
 
Fergie should obviously have plenty of input. It's just that it seems like the Moyes appointment wasn't made with his input - it was just his call. Sure, rubberstamped by the Glazers, but still his decision.
 
Fergies not going to come out and say time is running out for Moyes. He will get sacked if things don't improve.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
Jesus H Christ the level of idiocy here sometimes is enough to cause an aneurysm. Some peoples replies should come with a health warning. Imbecile. Pathetic fan. Ungrateful. Spoilt. Idiotic.
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Ah brilliant, don't like the post, lets get all abusive. I like it. Mature.
 
We have a massive fickle element to our support, see the past 600 pages for proof.

Luckily our actual support, by that I mean match goers, remains supportive for now.

For me we give him time, at least a couple of seasons. A few trophy less seasons will weed out the trophy hunting lot.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Probably but it doesn't change the fact that Fergie has made the wrong choice. He didn't get every transfer right either.

I think he has every right to have a voice at the club but we can't afford to back Moyes to the hilt just on Fergie's say so.
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If you read my post I did say he can make mistakes. I'm not saying he should or should not be sacked.
 
mungy said:
Luckily our actual support, by that I mean match goers, remains supportive for now.
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Will be interesting how supportive if results continue, Moyes remains in the summer and the time for season ticket renewals come.
 
Fergie and Bob Charlton should have far less input in naming Moyes successor.

FFS they appointed a mid-table manager who doesn't play good football, hasn't ever won a trophy and has no European experience - it's laughable.

I don't doubt Fergie's genius as a manager - but as a businessman I'm not sure he should be given the same clout as proven, ruthless, successful businessmen - as difficult as that is for more idealistic fans to grasp.
 
FineYoungCasual said:
Fergie and Bob Charlton should have far less input in naming Moyes successor.

FFS they appointed a mid-table manager who doesn't play good football, hasn't ever won a trophy and has no European experience - it's laughable.

I don't doubt Fergie's genius as a manager - but as a businessman I'm not sure he should be given the same clout as proven, ruthless, successful businessmen - as difficult as that is for more idealistic fans to grasp.
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Didn't Gill say whoever we appointed , it would be someone with history of success in Europe and England? The mind boggles.
 
pocco said:
If United spend anywhere near the amount of money the papers are saying and perform on the pitch, the support will be there next season and I'm pretty sure everyone will put this season behind them.
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Fixed that for ya.
 
mungy said:
We have a massive fickle element to our support, see the past 600 pages for proof.

Luckily our actual support, by that I mean match goers, remains supportive for now.

For me we give him time, at least a couple of seasons. A few trophy less seasons will weed out the trophy hunting lot.
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A part of me wants to die everytime I see this. It looks like we are doing fine although we are not winning any trophy this year. The reality though is that we are in midtable, out of all cups and playing by far the worst football I can remember us playing. A big difference from being trophyless like Arsenal are.

And I have missed the gloryhunting supporters will go away from the club. Congratufeckinglations for reminding us that! In other words, we will get less money from both not doing well on the pitch and having less fans which will result in us spending less in transfer market and wages. And eventually if/when we return to the top, the gloryhunters (be it the old ones or the new ones) will come back. All of this, to give the t0p reds the satisfaction of thinking that they are better than others.
 
mungy said:
We have a massive fickle element to our support, see the past 600 pages for proof.

Luckily our actual support, by that I mean match goers, remains supportive for now.

For me we give him time, at least a couple of seasons. A few trophy less seasons will weed out the trophy hunting lot.
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See, posts like this are utter bollix and a patronising slap in the face to a lot of us.

Tell me this, I've been going to, at the very least, 6 games a season since I was 4 years of age. I travelled from Ireland. In 07/08, I was fortunate enough to get to a lot more matches. I've also had some fantastic away days...Due to the fact I've been potless the last number of years, I have not been able to attend many if any matches at all....So am I an actual fan? Or am I glory hunting small minded fickle man whose opinion does not matter?
 
FineYoungCasual said:
Fergie and Bob Charlton should have far less input in naming Moyes successor.

FFS they appointed a mid-table manager who doesn't play good football, hasn't ever won a trophy and has no European experience - it's laughable.

I don't doubt Fergie's genius as a manager - but as a businessman I'm not sure he should be given the same clout as proven, ruthless, successful businessmen - as difficult as that is for more idealistic fans to grasp.
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To name a few Pep, Klopp, and Rodgers hardly won any trophies prior to their appointments at Barca, Dortmund and Liverpool. Should Rodgers have been sacked last season?
 
Talksport were saying earlier that if we spend this 200m plus wages in the summer, we could actually be in trouble with FFP as the loss of income from CL and not winning anything will affect our earning power. Not sure if that us true or not. Hard to say as we have never spent that kind of money in a summer, plus Rooney's new contract. Hope they haven't promised all this money without thinking about consequences. It would just be our luck to get done, while City and PSG get away with it. We don't have a sugar daddy owner who can come up with some bogus sponsership, training ground scheme to cover it.
 
Because we are Manchester United does not give us a divine right to win trophies. People should relax somewhat. Good times will come and you'll enjoy them even more.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But i dont think its out of the realms of possibility that sponsors would pull out because they want to attract a bigger audience which is done via the UCL
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The issue with sponsorship is the lack of leverage in renewing/new deals if we don't have champs league. MUFC will still remain a significant brand, however there will be less exposure for sponsors with no champs league.
 
Sultan said:
To name a few Pep, Klopp, and Rodgers hardly won any trophies prior to their appointments at Barca, Dortmund and Liverpool. Should Rodgers have been sacked last season?
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Big difference with Rodgers....They played great in the second half of last season and have continued this improvement.

Plus, he didn't make them any worse then what they were when he took over....And he didn't spend 35 million on Black Beauty
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Talksport were saying earlier that if we spend this 200m plus wages in the summer, we could actually be in trouble with FFP as the loss of income from CL and not winning anything will affect our earning power. Not sure if that us true or not. Hard to say as we have never spent that kind of money in a summer, plus Rooney's new contract. Hope they haven't promised all this money without thinking about consequences. It would just be our luck to get done, while City and PSG get away with it. We don't have a sugar daddy owner who can come up with some bogus sponsership, training ground scheme to cover it.
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Figures are just mere paper talk.
 
Sultan said:
To name a few Pep, Klopp, and Rodgers hardly won any trophies prior to their appointments at Barca, Dortmund and Liverpool. Should Rodgers have been sacked last season?
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They were 40 years and all of them were famous for their attacking style of football. Moyes is a 50 years old manager who has a clear footballing philosophy, which frankly speaking will never suit a top club. I am afraid that your comparison fails. Ole would have been very similar to Pep for example (an ex legend who has managed youth categories before for us). Martinez would have been very similar to Klopp (an attacking football manager who kept the previous team for quite a few years in the league before going down). I guess a Pochetino or Laudrup would have looked similar to Rodgers appointment. Moyes is a bit more different. Like when Madrid hired Juande Ramos. I am not saying that those appointments would have been better than Moyes (thoug I think that they would have been) but they would have been much more similar to those who you mentioned, rather than Moyes.

Rodgers did a very good job last season at Liverpool, that was pretty clear. He also didn't finish lower than they finished the previous year(s).
 
Chorley1974 said:
The issue with sponsorship is the lack of leverage in renewing/new deals if we don't have champs league. MUFC will still remain a significant brand, however there will be less exposure for sponsors with no champs league.
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Some of the reports earlier gave the impression the club thought they would be quids in with the new shirt deal, they might have to rethink the numbers the way the season is going.
 
.Rossi said:
Big difference with Rodgers....They played great in the second half of last season and have continued this improvement.

Plus, he didn't make them any worse then what they were when he took over....And he didn't spend 35 million on Black Beauty
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I don't remember them being that good last season. I'm old so please excuse me if I'm wrong.
 
mungy said:
We have a massive fickle element to our support, see the past 600 pages for proof.

Luckily our actual support, by that I mean match goers, remains supportive for now.

For me we give him time, at least a couple of seasons. A few trophy less seasons will weed out the trophy hunting lot.
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Not all match-going supporters are behind Moyes. My nephew, and the crowd he goes with, are split, with about 30% still backing Moyes. Just after the announcement was made that Moyes was taking over, I told him that, in my opinion, Moyes was the wrong choice and that the club was making a huge mistake. He rounded on me and called me a "stupid twat" who shouldn't even have an opinion because I'd long given up my ST because of the Glazers. If he wasn't my sister's lad, I'd have thumped him for saying that but I let it go. It's only now that he's being civil again. But he's only doing what I did when the club appointed Docherty. In the 72/73 season, I went home and away, even though we were utter rubbish. My old man and his mates laughed and said we'd go and watch 11 monkeys playing as long as they wore red shirts. He was right, of course. We probably would have.
 
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