Nice attempt at a change in tact. I think you are doing well at proving me correct.
Moyes So Far!
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Nice attempt at a change in tact. I think you are doing well at proving me correct.
think of it this way, If your team leader is completely incompetent, and the team leader before that was amazing, you're going to find it hard to motivate yourself to the levels you were at when the previous one was in charge.
Also, who edited my post?
There are plenty of ways for players to stick the boot in, other than throwing games. @datura, you were the first to mention that in regards to LonelyFire's post.
Maybe I've not worded as best I could have but I know what I meant. We most definitely have players in our squad not giving their all for the manager. Whether that's right or wrong is up for debate but its happening and is effecting results and will continue to do so until one of the parties moves on.
I've not got an issue with debate on here pal - just do not make it personal.
If I was wrong in my interpretation of his post he didn't say so in his first two replies.
Seems the wording of my post has been poorly chosen. See my other posts in an attempt to explain what I was actually meaning. I'm more referencing the effort levels of those clearly not happy with Moyes - and speculating as to how they will respond over coming games.
Very little chance of that.
He's incredibly stubborn and will stick by Moyes, to the detriment of Man United, which is just sad in my eyes.
think of it this way, If your team leader is completely incompetent, and the team leader before that was amazing, you're going to find it hard to motivate yourself to the levels you were at when the previous one was in charge.
Also, who edited my post?
No idea!
You're right. Going to be an interesting 3 weeks
I still find it incredible that Mourinho was overlooked because of past indiscretions/controversies, yet we continue to employ and handsomely pay the likes of Rooney, Giggs and Ferdinand.
The holier-than-thou attitude is just bizarre, and complete double standards.
The holier-than-thou attitude is just bizarre, and complete double standards.
Ferguson has come out and backed him. Does he honestly believe Moyes will turn this around, or is he just trying to protect his ego/pride?
Likely both.
Totally agree . It's also incredible that he was overlooked due to his outspoken nature and history of saying controversial things, with certain united fans giving it the 'it's not the United way' rubbish, when sir Alex was just as bad.
I that case you're an idiot!
Only joking.
I don't think anyone would be able to differentiate a "protest", half-arsed, or expected performance at the moment.
Is that a serious post?
You're literally saying players would deliberately throw games to get rid of Moyes.
No - read my later posts. My words have been poorly chosen as has been pointed out
100 Million?
Just shows how lucky Glazers were to have had Sir Alex as manager over they years. He's probably saved them and the club from going bust.
I can't fooking wait for this season to be over.
Join the club! Nightmare from start to end.
He didn't come out to specifically back him though. He was asked about the situation at a private event and he gave a reply which would be standard for any of the club's directors.
100 Million?
Just shows how lucky Glazers were to have had Sir Alex as manager over they years. He's probably saved them and the club from going bust.
Will be even higher when the BT deal fully kicks in. They're worth double the existing contracts.
100 Million?
Just shows how lucky Glazers were to have had Sir Alex as manager over they years. He's probably saved them and the club from going bust.
No doubt having SAF in charge saved them fortunes. That spell from 09-12 where hardly anything was spent shows the genius of the man.
One often used argument I don't agree with is the clubs ethos/blueprint to give managers time.
Our longest serving managers Sir Matt, and Sir Alex gave the club no real reason to be given the sack. Had they been unsuccessful I'm sure the club wouldn't have acted any differently to other clubs.
Our longest serving managers Sir Matt, and Sir Alex gave the club no real reason to be given the sack. Had they been unsuccessful I'm sure the club wouldn't have acted any differently to other clubs.
Exactly. Still I'm pretty sure Rafa or RDM didnt bleed on about how they need more top quality signings to win the UCL. In fact Moyes whole mentality stinks of "the teams rubbish, i need to get players in to be successful" - which for me is damning in its own right that he is more interested in absolving himself of any responsibility than work with what hes got (aka trying to build on something).
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What makes you think next season will be any different? Especially if we stick with Moyes, which at the moment looks very much likely.
Throw £100m towards the squad, there's still some glaring issues with the management and the style of play which doesn't look like changing.
Especially when he was sold on his reputation for achieving on a shoestring.
(I am in the club of those that wake up, and check the news, hoping he has been sacked. It's ruining my normal depressed demeanor.)
You're bang on the money here. I cant speak for Sir Matt but SAF was doing a lot behind the scenes that properly saved him from the sack when the team was failing, even when fan support started to waver. Moyes stepped into a good setup but added inept support staff and iPads
It's also not really true. Mcguiness, o'farrell, sexton, and Atkinson weren't given time when compared with their peers at the time. Only SAF and busby were given time - and that's because both had pedigree.
Idea that Utd give time is based purely on SAF and busby - whilst conveniently ignoring those in between the two.
Not so sure most fans agreed with that in Fergies earlier years Sultan.
good point
TBH i am a little embarrassed to admit first thing i do when i wake up is turn on my phone and check newsnow to see if hes been sacked
I would reply to your post however I'm not sure what you've quoted. I looked through my posts to find what I said but I couldn't therefore I cannot recall what I was talking about.
If you could tell me the page number the post is on that would be great.
Unfortunately that re-enforces the vie
Time= success, change doesn't.
It means nothing anyway.
I guess that even with a lesser manager the club would have qualified for UCL consistently. We spend much more than Arsenal for example and they have never missed on top 4. About the titles, I agree. There aren't many (if any) managers who would have won as much titles as SAF did in the last 10 years (with the same amount of money to spend, of course).100 Million?
Just shows how lucky Glazers were to have had Sir Alex as manager over they years. He's probably saved them and the club from going bust.
Not sure Calderon is correct there. Any such clauses in the club's sponsorship deals would have surely have had to have been divulged in the IPO prospectus. His £100m figure appears to have been plucked from thin air; I don't think missing out on the CL will have any effect in that regard.
No offence, I'd trust his knowledge of the inner working of a big club over your's. Or mine for that matter.
Actually it is my post, but somehow he has quoted you. @Sultan
In principe I agree with you. It wouldn't ne nice to see OT booing Moyes, and neither players going into an open war. Fergie leaving isn't that harmful IMO, though I think I am in minority for that. Despite his success which makes him the greatest person in the history of Man United, I always thought that when he retires from management, it should be a complete retirement. I always was afraid that we will do something similar to what we done when Busby retired, and actually we did exactly that. I always thought that it is a recipe for disaster and nothing has happened since to change my opinion.
Anyway, I think that the end justifies the methods. At the moment (against only my personal opinion) Moyes getting sacked dwarfs any negatives that comes with it. So in some way (while I fully acknowledge that booing and mutiny are a bad thing to happen) I would take that if it means that Moyes won't continue being our manager. Those thing will be forgiven as soon as the new manager improves things. The possible damage that can/will happen if Moyes continues (IMO) will not be forgotten that fast.
But i dont think its out of the realms of possibility that sponsors would pull out because they want to attract a bigger audience which is done via the UCL
Pull out at the time that contracts are due for renewal yes, but pull out midway through a deal they are contractually obliged to see through? That seems unlikely. The Nike deal has a relegation clause, our other sponsorship deals will be unaffected. Obviously if the club experiences a prolonged period without CL football, it could reasonably be expected to have an effect on United's attractiveness to new sponsors.
But this isn't about his knowledge of the working of big clubs in general, it's specifically about United's existing commercial deals. They'll be unaffected by missing out on CL qualification for a single season. Here's a summary of the costs the club could expect to incur:
http://www.andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/manchester-united-potential-financial.html
There's never a guarantee new management will succeed.
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