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Moyes So Far!
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Cool story, bro.
Your daughter is a good person.
But she needs to sit at the feet of Gary Neville for awhile to learn about the real world.
Or have a chat with Jaime Carragher to get the real scoop on how things are.
Surprising people think 4-5 new players will make the difference. Right now, that's the excuse for Moyes - next season it will be "they need time to gel as a team". Give me a break. The guy is clueless and should be doing far better with the players he has at his disposal.
He'll be gone soon enough and we will realise when a proven manager comes in how big a gamble moyes truly was. Its a shame as i am sure moyes is a nice guy and a good manager underneath it all. Unfortunately, good doesn't cut it at Utd - see O'Farrell, Atkinson, Sexton et al. You need greatness.
He'll be gone soon enough and we will realise when a proven manager comes in how big a gamble moyes truly was. Its a shame as i am sure moyes is a nice guy and a good manager underneath it all. Unfortunately, good doesn't cut it at Utd - see O'Farrell, Atkinson, Sexton et al. You need greatness.
With the World Cup making transfers a little harder and especially disrupting preparations for next season, there are ready-made excuses to give him another freebe and take Moyes to the middle-end of season 3. But if you look past excuses, there's just no reason for us to be this bad right now. That's all.
I don't doubt the club splashing the cash, the Mata signing proved me wrong, I just don't see our manager adapting at all. He will persist with the same tactics I think, if he hasn't changed them now why would he change them in a few months?
One thing that I find a bit odd and I'd like to see change if we decide to stick with him, is to hear his thoughts on the football. It's a bit strange that Moyes has barely spoken about what kind of football he wants to see us play and what he believes is his vision for the team. My idea of Moyes' football is the direct, painfully dull football Everton played under him (barring last seals which was good) and the horrific football we've played under him.
The kind of things we've read Kagawa say in his last interview, little aspects like that, little nuances, or even general philosophies, I'd like to hear from Moyes. This isn't me saying I want Moyes to say he wants us to play like Dortmund, I mean that would be great but it's not happening. Rather, his own take, whatever it is.
The kind of things we've read Kagawa say in his last interview, little aspects like that, little nuances, or even general philosophies, I'd like to hear from Moyes. This isn't me saying I want Moyes to say he wants us to play like Dortmund, I mean that would be great but it's not happening. Rather, his own take, whatever it is.
Allowing two 30 something injury prone defenders to leave, and perhaps moving on Nani, Anderson and Cleverley, none of whom were particularly good under Fergie either is hardly "dismantling the squad".
He's evidently not going to move on RVP, has Rooney and Januzaj on new long term contracts and has just signed Mata - who else do you worry that he'll sell? Young and Valencia have been rank average all year. In the meantime we're being linked with genuinely top class players in the summer.
Of all the comments on here this is one of the strangest I've read. People clearly have different opinions on where we are and what we need, but I think its fair to say not many are worried about this squad being dismantled. Its hardly like we have a barca-esque quality squad 1 to 11.
Another manager would come into United and do exactly what Moyes is trying to do - bring in midfielders and replace ageing players at the back.
I'm always so surprised no-one else has ever noticed this! He literally NEVER talks about the actual football or ANYTHING tactical. Likewise pundits never, ever talk about anything tactical when discussing Moyes.
I mean, he'll say, 'we created lots of chances', or, 'we should've defended better'. But never anything of actual substance.
It's odd.
He's frozen out the likes of Kagawa, Chicharito and Nani whilst starts Young, Valencia and Cleverly more often than not...
Its him getting rid of Van Persie, Kagawa and Hernandez that worries me.
All 3 will be gone should Moyes still be here next season
Looks that way to me too. The situation make me want to cry.
It's ok - Moyes won't be here by may. Unfortunately, you'll have to put up with one of/both city and/or pool annihilating us at OT before he exits stage left
I'm more worried of them getting rid of us.
He needed the new players at the start of the season, ones who had no attachment to SAF. It's too late now. He has alienated all/most of the players.
Perhaps, or if was as good as his proponents advertised, he could have done a respectable job with the players he inherited.
Not sure about Van Persie but I can see Kagawa and Hernandez leaving to get more game, regardless of whether Moyes gets sacked or not at the end of the season.
We don't have to sell and I honestly believe that with a clean slate, they'll give it another go.
Is it wrong to admit that if someone offred me that deal, a mauling by City and Pool in return for the sacking of Moyes, I'd take it?
He could buy a load of multi millions pound players, but if you don't know how to utilise them than it's just a waste of money.
He will not change them it is who he is. Does this sound familiar in the link http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1145314-david-moyes-negative-tacticshave-cost-everton-again
Understand what you mean - wanting that is wrong but may be for greater good. The players will seal his fate.
It's wrong, but you aren't the only one who is thinking that way. The others just won't admit it.
Ideally we shouldn't sell. Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa and Nani coupled with Zaha coming back next season gives us great options in the wide areas. Perhaps Kagawa can be convinced because by all rights he should be playing more for this team. Hernandez, though again probably should get more games, still has Van Persie as well as Rooney in front of him. Add on top that you have the likes Mata and Kagawa for the number 10 role, and its hard to see him getting the game time a person of his ability deserves. I love the guy but we can cope without him which is why if he asked for a move I think we would allow it.
Under normal circumstances you would, but you can be forgiven for thinking it at the moment.I was expecting a load of abuse for that post
This letter could have been written by United fans with some name changes except of course the name Moyes. http://www.sos1878.co.uk/everton-fans/an-open-letter-to-david-moyes/
Kagawa has flattered to deceive for most of his time here. Chicarito is up against very good players in his position - I don't see that he gets much less game time than he did under Fergie. Nani has been awful when he's played and his form has been poor for the last 18 months aat least.
You can have your opinions about those players, as everyone will, but losing them doesn't fill me with fear - especially given the supposed targets we have and the money which they have to spend. They're not grade A superstars and can be replaced.
They re also all players in positions where we actually have a fair amount of quality - i.e. in the final third. A front 4 of Mata, Rooney, RVP and Januzaj doesn't leave a lot of room, albeit they are useful players to have around. That isn't "dismantling" the squad if they intend to bring in quality players throughout.
We've heard a lot about other managers - I suspect those players would be where they are now even with other managers in charge.
If Hernandez goes its because he wants to play more often. Kagawa is a number 10 and I up against Wayne Rooney - he's not going to get his place and doesn't look like a proper wide player.
RVP may push for a move - but how is that anything to do with Moyes? Why would he want to lose his best players?
Urghh. That opening paragraph about Moyes selling or not playing flair players but keeping hard workers is depressingly all to familiar.
People that think Moyes will change needs to read that. This is Moyes, its how he's always been. Negative, values hard workers, and isn't confident enough to utilise flair players. He won't change. Even, if by some sort of miracle, we become successful under Moyes, it wont be with the exciting, positive, attacking football that we all crave.
Hernandez should have played more, so thats Moyes fault. Kagawa wouldn't have to be up against Rooney if we played a fluid system, like Arsenal, that didn't reply on players staying wide. Again, Moyes' fault. And if RVP leave it'll be 100% Moyes fault. He's the reason that RVP would push for a move.
Given the size of the club and how much money is involved, the scouting set-up should be first class, and should have been before, and I'd expect every decent manager in world football to make sure it is. If it really was not up to much and Moyes somehow improved it to a level befitting of the 21st century, that, and not leaving midfield decimated, is a managerial tap-in left for him
Maybe 'wrong' but hardly controversial, I'd wager a huge proportion of fans would secretly take up that deal.
Personally I refuse to want to lose any game against City/Pool regardless of the circumstances, but if we do get beat I'd rather it be painful. Lose 2-1 and Moyes will probably harp on about 'luck' 'chances' 'next game', lose 4-0 and he's as good as gone, if he makes it out of OT alive that is.
Yeah, the scouting system was mentioned by all the papers (someone's been feeding them) and that's very nice, but we need a manager more than we need a head scout.
Anyhow, if the players who top the lists of those we want in the summer are the likes of Kroos and Gundugan, Reus and Shaw, it can't be much of a system anyway.
We still have to go to Everton yet, it could be his worst nightmare.
He might not even make the trip back to Goodison depending on what Pool and City might do to us at OT.
Could you just imagine if he did go back there and they stuffed us. I could be carnage. Although all the Everton fans enthusing about Martinez, he will use them as a stepping stone to an even bigger job.
There's so many things I'm willing to tolerate with Moyes this season such as not winning trophies, poor team selections (Fergie did this as well), Stoke City like football and that's harsh on Stoke, nor do I care that he's got te personality of a soap dish.
But the one thing I can't tolerate and why I'm in the Moyes out camp is because clearly what he is doing is not working and hasn't been for a long time, but instead of making changes to remedy the situation he sits there and complains about needing 5 or 6 players to fit into his vision and how unlucky he is. Sir Alex tried shaking things up by playing a diamond or other things different from the norm and when it didn't work he went back to what did work. Moyes keeps on as if he knows better, when the reality is he probably doesn't have a clue how to play any other way. Moyes really reminds me of AVB at Chelsea where he forces his ways on the team whether they are successful or not and all the while he's doing this and bringing the club down, he also manages to ruin the morale in the dressing room. At least AVB had some success elsewhere and may have had a reason for being a little arrogant. What has Moyes done that Tony Pulis or Harry Redknapp haven't?
But the one thing I can't tolerate and why I'm in the Moyes out camp is because clearly what he is doing is not working and hasn't been for a long time, but instead of making changes to remedy the situation he sits there and complains about needing 5 or 6 players to fit into his vision and how unlucky he is. Sir Alex tried shaking things up by playing a diamond or other things different from the norm and when it didn't work he went back to what did work. Moyes keeps on as if he knows better, when the reality is he probably doesn't have a clue how to play any other way. Moyes really reminds me of AVB at Chelsea where he forces his ways on the team whether they are successful or not and all the while he's doing this and bringing the club down, he also manages to ruin the morale in the dressing room. At least AVB had some success elsewhere and may have had a reason for being a little arrogant. What has Moyes done that Tony Pulis or Harry Redknapp haven't?
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