Moyes So Far!

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His management style here has seemed a bit too 'Fergie by Numbers' at times.

Fergie had success playing with width? Then i'll play with width as well (even if we don't have any senior wide players in particularly good form).

Fergie had success by constantly rotating the first XI? Then i'll rotate the first XI as well (even when, like tonight, sticking with a winning selection might make more sense).

I am generally a Moyes supporter, but when I saw the side he put out tonight, I feared the worst. Too many of those players have been involved in too many of our disappointments this season. I won't name names, because I don't feel it's fair to single out individuals, but i'd much rather have seen Januzaj and Fellaini on the field than certain of the others (presuming they were fit enough to play).

So another dispiriting result, and another step back after the forward one we took against Palace.

But it's in the past now, and we can only try and win our next game.
 
The solution is simple. Warm weather training for a week before every match. It's the only way. Maybe Dave can persuade Ed to use the summer warchest to build an indoor fake beach at Carrington. I mean, that's been the grand total of his successful strategies this season.
 
NessunDorma said:
His management style here has seemed a bit too 'Fergie by Numbers at times.

Fergie had success playing with width? Then i'll play with width as well (even if we don't have any senior wide players in particularly good form).

Fergie had success by constantly rotating the first XI? Then i'll rotate the first XI as well (even when, like tonight, sticking with a winning selection might make more sense).

I am generally a Moyes supporter, but when I saw the side he put out tonight, I feared the worst. Too many of those players have been involved in too many of our disappointments this season. I won't name names, because I don't feel it's fair to single out individuals, but i'd much rather have seen Januzaj and Fellaini on the field than certain of the others (presuming they were fit enough to play).

So another dispiriting result, and another step back after the forward one we took against Palace.

But it's in the past now, and we can only try and win our next game.
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Thanks for that David ;)
 
I think a big thing for me in his team selection and tactics is that everyone can see the problems but him.

Now I agree with opinions and assholes and what not and it's easy for us to criticise after a defeat with the benefit of hindsight. However, it's the fact that everyone has been correctly criticising his choices before a ball is kicked and already predicting, correctly, where we are going to have issues and where we will ultimately fail.

If the majority on here can see it, why can't he?

Conversely, he chooses the tream and tactics we have all been screaming for and we win 2-0.

Go figure.
 
NessunDorma said:
His management style here has seemed a bit too 'Fergie by Numbers' at times.

Fergie had success playing with width? Then i'll play with width as well (even if we don't have any senior wide players in particularly good form).

Fergie had success by constantly rotating the first XI? Then i'll rotate the first XI as well (even when, like tonight, sticking with a winning selection might make more sense).

I am generally a Moyes supporter, but when I saw the side he put out tonight, I feared the worst. Too many of those players have been involved in too many of our disappointments this season. I won't name names, because I don't feel it's fair to single out individuals, but i'd much rather have seen Januzaj and Fellaini on the field than certain of the others (presuming they were fit enough to play).

So another dispiriting result, and another step back after the forward one we took against Palace.

But it's in the past now, and we can only try and win our next game.
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Would agree with your post but I'll name names because I'm a tool: Valenica, Cleverley, Young come straight to mind, even Sir Alex wasn't able to get much out them last season, so why would Moyes?, even basing on this season none of the trio have given back enough for the games they've appeared, why bring them back tonight? for experience? I don't get it, would also like to mention Smalling at right back was never a longterm solution and we saw the issue magnified tonight.

Where do we go from here? giving Moyes one season and letting him go will not be giving him a fair crack at the whip, considering United's "We're different, we're better, We stand behind our manager" sprouted endlessly by the club directors and our own fans, the first season after replacing Sir Alex was always going to be difficult, we missed the boat on other managers this summer, I guess we'll have to give him next season to prove himself, shame there's no real glimmer of hope that results/performances will become better regardless of axing half our squad and spending a fortune.
 
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I've said all I can say on Moyes, a manager I originally wanted. feck me, what a shite season he's gifted us.
 
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Kaos said:
Can we at least take that fecking banner down now.
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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Are any of you members of other United forums like Red Issue or UWS? How does Caf sentiment toward Moyes compare with the other big sites?




Looks like they're reeling it back in. lol
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UWS is turning against him. Straw that broke the camel's back and all that.
 
The constantly changing starting XI is doing my head in. It's so blatantly obvious we need a couple of good performances in a row to get the confidence back. We win 2-0 on the weekend and played some good stuff yet again several changes made to the lineup and reverted back to boring(and ineffective) 442. I know Mata had to be changed but why not play a similar style of player.
 
moyesmyhero said:
The constantly changing starting XI is doing my head in. It's so blatantly obvious we need a couple of good performances in a row to get the confidence back. We win 2-0 on the weekend and played some good stuff yet again several changes made to the lineup and reverted back to boring(and ineffective) 442. I know Mata had to be changed but why not play a similar style of player.
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This was my first thought when I saw the starting 11 today, it's infuriating.
 
moyesmyhero said:
The constantly changing starting XI is doing my head in. It's so blatantly obvious we need a couple of good performances in a row to get the confidence back. We win 2-0 on the weekend and played some good stuff yet again several changes made to the lineup and reverted back to boring(and ineffective) 442. I know Mata had to be changed but why not play a similar style of player.
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We didn't really play "good stuff" against palace.

If it wasn't for that penalty, I would have put my mortgage on us not claiming all 3 points.
 
Woke up this morning expecting a draw at least but to be completely out of the tie in the first leg and the shameful way we played. Wow I'm shocked, this has to be the final straw for Moyes. We've had some shameful results this season but this has to be the worst.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Interesting, Mitten was saying on the pod that their poll after the Stoke match had 64% backing Moyes for another year.
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There's a general trend towards sacking him. The poll at the beginning of January had 70% saying either that Moyes was the right man or wait till the end of the season to judge.

And as you said, after the Stoke game, 64% said judge him in a year when he's had time to build his side and only 14% wanted him sacked immediately.

The most recent one (yesterday) had 62% wanting him to be sacked now with 32% saying give him another 12 months and the rest saying sack him if we don't get 5th at least.
 
Pexbo said:
I think a big thing for me in his team selection and tactics is that everyone can see the problems but him.

Now I agree with opinions and assholes and what not and it's easy for us to criticise after a defeat with the benefit of hindsight. However, it's the fact that everyone has been correctly criticising his choices before a ball is kicked and already predicting, correctly, where we are going to have issues and where we will ultimately fail.

If the majority on here can see it, why can't he?

Conversely, he chooses the tream and tactics we have all been screaming for and we win 2-0.

Go figure.
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This has been the case for years now. Sir Alex would start Giggs in a two man midfield, we'd all complain that we will get overrun and ultimately lose. More often than not, we lost when he played in a two man central midfield - this is after 2011, by the way.

We all watch United week in, week out. We do, sometimes, perhaps make some fair points.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Interesting, Mitten was saying on the pod that their poll after the Stoke match had 64% backing Moyes for another year.
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Yeah but I wonder how many of that 64% really believed and how many were putting up a bit of a mock defense? I know I was. :(
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
We didn't really play "good stuff" against palace.
If it wasn't for that penalty, I would have put my mortgage on us not claiming all 3 points.
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I would have to agree to an extent. We played better than we have in other games and actually looked to go down the middle at times which was a nice change. But in terms of actually creating chances, we never really did create any. At least not regularly. It was very much starting to feel like one of those game where we controlled everything, but couldn’t get a goal. The penalty got us off the hook to some extent, and forced palace to open up and try and get the goal back which let us get the second.
 
sullydnl said:
Yeah but I wonder how many of that 64% really believed and how many were putting up a bit of a mock defense? I know I was. :(
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I get the feeling that a lot of those supporting Moyes are only doing so because Fergie told us to do so, and not because they actually believe in Moyes.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Are there still people in this forum that actually support Moyes? He is the worst manager ever.
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Give him time, don't you know?

Give him time. Even though Martinez turned Everton into a lovely side. We should give Moyes time. Give him time to a team that finished 11 clear last season. Makes sense.
 
I don't know how many more chances Moyes will be given. We were champions last season by a mile and we now look like relegation candidates who just lost to the worst team in the champions league. How can a great team become so bad???
 
Giving a manager more time is not unreasonable. Giving Moyes more time is unjustifiable - he has won nothing in his coaching career. Bad call by SAF.
 
A lot of firsts for Moyes. Maybe United can negotiate a deal where he takes a job at the BBC presenting the revamped Record Breakers.
 
Ronnie O'Sullivan said:
I don't know how many more chances Moyes will be given. We were champions last season by a mile and we now look like relegation candidates who just lost to the worst team in the champions league. How can a great team become so bad???
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The squad of 25 needs a complete overhaul, don't you know that? Sell 'em, sell 'em all...
 
According to one of today's paper's Pepe Mel is n danger of being sacked, the game in which he might save his job and push them on to survival will be against us at the Hawthorns of course. Throw in Liverpool and Olympiakos and it might not be far-fetched to suggest that Moyes has three games to salvage his position.

With AVB it was the nature of some of the defeats as opposed to their number, the same could strike here.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
According to one of today's paper's Pepe Mel is n danger of being sacked, the game in which he might save his job and push them on to survival will be against us at the Hawthorns of course. Throw in Liverpool and Olympiakos and it might not be far-fetched to suggest that Moyes has three games to salvage his position.

With AVB it was the nature of some of the defeats as opposed to their number, the same could strike here.
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Pepe Mel is in danger after like 3 games?
 
I would really like to know what goes on in the training. I have been one of the "Moyes apologists" but the way we played yesterday was baffling. Two players like RvP and Rooney upfront, and yet we couldn't muster a shot on target. Amazing.
 
coolredwine said:
I would really like to know what goes on in the training. I have been one of the "Moyes apologists" but the way we played yesterday was baffling. Two players like RvP and Rooney upfront, and yet we couldn't muster a shot on target. Amazing.
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Its quite simple. Those two are strikers for whom chances must be created. How do we expect valencia young and cleverley to create chances? Its absolutely baffling.
 
Two pretty big pieces of good news (Mata, Rooney), have provided little to no response from the players on the field. Scary.
 
Freak said:
Its quite simple. Those two are strikers for whom chances must be created. How do we expect valencia young and cleverley to create chances? Its absolutely baffling.
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Yes. But those two can create chances for themselves. This is RvP and Rooney we are talking about. Two 'supposedly' "world class" players. Both of them are used to dropping deep to pick up balls and thread it through. Yet both of them were poor last night. Not to forget that either of them doesn't passes to the other as well.
 
coolredwine said:
Yes. But those two can create chances for themselves. This is RvP and Rooney we are talking about. Two 'supposedly' "world class" players. Both of them are used to dropping deep to pick up balls and thread it through. Yet both of them were poor last night. Not to forget that either of them doesn't passes to the other as well.
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There's no ball in the midfield for them to pick, they're all sent outwide
 
coolredwine said:
Yes. But those two can create chances for themselves. This is RvP and Rooney we are talking about. Two 'supposedly' "world class" players. Both of them are used to dropping deep to pick up balls and thread it through. Yet both of them were poor last night. Not to forget that either of them doesn't passes to the other as well.
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For that to happen, our play should go through the middle. What do you expect RVP to do? Run out wide to get the ball?
 
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