I also can't disagree. He needed a winning stroke badly when some easier fixtures came and it also didn't happen.
Champions League is his last line of defense and it's collapsing right now.
Moyes So Far!
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Champions League is his last line of defense and it's collapsing right now.
Every other manager fulfils both. It was cowardly.
Carrick dodging the "can this manager give you that lift?" Question on SSN
He's managed to do it before tonight in the Champions League, hasn't he?
Can we at least take that fecking banner down now.
When you think about it....everytime Graham Souness is giving an interview on tv then Moyes is nowhere to be seen....and everytime Moyes is seen on the touchline at utd games then Souness is nowhere to be seen......could it be...and I know it's just a small chance but seriously could Moyes be Souness in disguise? Its an uncanny resemblance if you visualise moyes with a moustache
Im all for giving him time but he just doesnt show any signs of improvement, of learning from his mistakes. Just when you think he is up for trying something new tactically, he reverts. Just when he has the players looking motivated and displaying a modicum of confidence, the illusion is shattered.
Ducking the cameras and sending out Carrick was absolutely outrageous. What the players will make of it I dont know. Honestly, it makes you wonder what is going on there behind the scenes, how can he expect their respect using Carrick as a human shield against the media?
In the cold light of day Ive always argued he should be judged on his second season but as I sit here now I wonder whether that ideal doesnt assume a certain level of competence in the first season. Treading water for a year is one thing but he looks like he is drowning. Finding it hard to be optimistic things would be any different in his second season.
Ducking the cameras and sending out Carrick was absolutely outrageous. What the players will make of it I dont know. Honestly, it makes you wonder what is going on there behind the scenes, how can he expect their respect using Carrick as a human shield against the media?
In the cold light of day Ive always argued he should be judged on his second season but as I sit here now I wonder whether that ideal doesnt assume a certain level of competence in the first season. Treading water for a year is one thing but he looks like he is drowning. Finding it hard to be optimistic things would be any different in his second season.
What was the story with that stupid fecking gormless smile he had on his face during the press conference?
He's had that stupid grin on his face all season. I think we have to consider the possibility that he has some sort of psychological issue at this point.
He is the disciple of Sam Allardyce and Steve McLaren. A modern football coach
I don't think we've hit rock bottom quite yet... In March we have 3 home games in the space of 9 days: Liverpool, Olympiakos and City. It's not going to be pretty.
One thing Moyes can do now is drop a few of the senior players who obviously don't want to play for him. Like Mr "Not Ideal". Like RVP. Rio. Vidic.
Shake things up a bit, yell at someone, do something.
If I were him I'd try something extreme. Go out with a bang if you have to go out but not fizzle out like a cnut. So far he's hoping by playing the same players and doing the same things Fergie did something eventually will change.
Scared and out of his depth, that's what he looks like from outside. What Fergie saw in him we'll probably never know.
Shake things up a bit, yell at someone, do something.
If I were him I'd try something extreme. Go out with a bang if you have to go out but not fizzle out like a cnut. So far he's hoping by playing the same players and doing the same things Fergie did something eventually will change.
Scared and out of his depth, that's what he looks like from outside. What Fergie saw in him we'll probably never know.
Some of the players played as if they just got back from a holiday in North Korea.
I don't know of any manager in the entire world who would have persisted in making the same mistakes and team selection gaffes as Moyes has done. Time and time and time again he repeats the same blunders, I really don't get it.
With Rio being equivalent of Rodman. Leading the way..
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Yeah I've seen that quote about a hundred times on the forum. But Moyes isn't insane, he's a good manager who has far more knowledge and experience of football than me and pretty much everyone here. And yet he keeps making these bizarre blunders that we can all see from a fecking mile away.
To be honest, watching that tonight, we went behind and it looked like the players wanted to see him sacked looking at the way they reacted to going behind. An absolute disgrace. No heart, no fight and no urgency to address the situation we found ourselves in.
hmm...
I hate tufty.
He is a good manager and a good man but he is way out of his depth here. There is no shame in that, it is the hardest job in football replacing someone who is a legend and been at the club forever and Moyes is failing. He needs to change his philosophy and understand that he isn't at a club anymore where playing for a 0-0 away from home is acceptable. The whole approach to today's match was bizarre, why change a system that worked well over the weekend? I know Mata is out but why was Fellaini on the bench?
I hate that thing. Even 'fecking, stupid, smalltime, boring, awful, sugar dady owned, always in our shadow' Manchester fecking City fans are taking the piss with that banner.
That reflects terribly on the players but Moyes has to take responsibility for that too. If he cant inspire any loyalty or fight from his players that is a major problem. You cant sell them all and buy and entire new team of loyalists. For one thing, what's to say the new lot wont be equally disdainful?
He should have signed Everton and those players would have been loyal to him. It shouldn't have cost much more than what he spend on Mata and Fellaini.
Shame that now they have been spoiled with Martinez and will avoid him even if he decides to get them.
Of course, I'm not entirely blaming the players. Moyes has been shocking, there's no doubt he has been out of his depth from the get go. Some, including me, thought he could begin to show he had something in his locker that would prove he was a Manchester United manager. I'm now 99% sure I was wrong after tonight. He has a much better squad currently than most new managers get and he's making an absolute feck up of it all.
He decided to completely change our wide areas and three quarters of our midfield for reasons best known to himself. 26 years of hard graft are going down the drain and he's responsible for it. The players, however, don't get off that lightly, they were an absolute disgrace tonight. No leaders, so called experienced players were an absolute disgrace; no passion, no leadership, nothing. We had 30+ players who have played together for years looking like they hardly knew each other. A fecking joke.
He decided to completely change our wide areas and three quarters of our midfield for reasons best known to himself. 26 years of hard graft are going down the drain and he's responsible for it. The players, however, don't get off that lightly, they were an absolute disgrace tonight. No leaders, so called experienced players were an absolute disgrace; no passion, no leadership, nothing. We had 30+ players who have played together for years looking like they hardly knew each other. A fecking joke.
Interpret that if you can.
:lo: He's an idiot savant, minus the savant.
In the modern era has there ever been a manager who's taken over a title winning team and failed as utterly spectacularly as Moyes has?
Or any top team for that matter? I remember Luiz Felipe Scolari being bad at Chelsea but not this bad.
Or any top team for that matter? I remember Luiz Felipe Scolari being bad at Chelsea but not this bad.
They got him out before it got any worse. Seriously, the only examples I can think of are Woy after Benitez started that decline himself. In fact it looks an awful lot like our situation in that Fergie left a winning team to his successor which had clear signs of decline in areas. Benitez didn't leave his team in winning ways, but experienced a year or so of the decline himself and didn't bother to fix it.
Little difference between Woy and Moy; both had won nothing with the clubs they managed (bar Roy's odd trophy with sporadic clubs), and both had no clue what to do after a defeat. The amazing thing is one of them managed to land himself the England job after.
I have no problem if he's picking one of Young or Valencia but to play both of them is just asking for trouble. To make things worse he plays Cleverley too.
Have we played this 4 in midfield yet?
Young-Giggs-Cleverley-Valencia
Have we played this 4 in midfield yet?
Young-Giggs-Cleverley-Valencia
Terrible to say it but I just want us to tank now, the more we lose the sooner this awful episode will be behind us.
Don't do that, you'll give him ideas.
For all Rafa's faults though, He's actually won things, and amassed a fairly impressive amount of Trophies even with the Hicks and Gillett circus at Liverpool and 2 La Liga's in a 2 Team League!
Moyes wins the managed to keep Everton competitive in the PL on a relatively small budget trophy.
The criticism was purely at Woy, with Benitez being loosely compared to Fergie in that he built a winning team that won the FA cup and CL in previous years, then left it to an incompetent buffoon. We are now in the same boat.
Scolari had them in the top 4, still in CL and FA Cup when he was sacked. He actually made an impressive start in the first few months from what I can remember.
AVB might be a better bet but again - he had them within touching distance of top 4 at least and not completely out the race. Benitez at Inter kind of the same, they had 2 games in hand over the rest of the league and weren't in a position they were going to miss out on Europe completely.
Have we covered the "came into the game in good form..." comment?
Played 12, lost 6 in 2014 so far. Everton level expectations.....
Played 12, lost 6 in 2014 so far. Everton level expectations.....
Yeah, in my nightmares.
Ah fair enough. I think with Woy though the Liverpool team wasn't left in the best of states. Took till Rogers before they became competitive again. Not sure you can compare them.
Rafa finished 7th in his last season. I think that's where a lot of the Woy defendants came from. Not that he wasn't completely wrong for the job, mind.
It's not an identical situation to compare, because rather than a few holes left in the ship like Fergie did, Rafa left his with half the hull missing. Hodgson was left with a relatively unchanged squad, and did get some good financial backing. It was the best situation I could describe, because no one has faltered this badly from my memory.
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