Please, does that monstrosity of a performance look like a last straw? Pretty please?
Moyes So Far!
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He got the starting lineup wrong. Tried to play safe and rigid and hope to sneak a goal, if anything we looked the opposite. Sloppy, unorganised and no clear direction. He got it wrong, but players were also terrible tonight. Valencia, rio and clevz.
Atleast we dont have to put up with mourinho's antics. Silver lining.
Sums up my thoughts as well. What he sees in Valencia and young is beyond me. He simply has to go now
Relative to expectations, it's hard to argue he isn't the worst manager in the Premier League this season.
You mean celebrating after winning?
Can anyone recall in modern football history a more drastic drop in 9 months than this? Down 21 points in the league, out of every cup competition in February. It's historic stuff.
Not one shot on target tonight.
And people think this guy deserves time? Deary fecking me.
And people think this guy deserves time? Deary fecking me.
Why in the feck did he change the setup from our last game when we won 2-0 and actually looked pretty good? We've got no style of play in a game, and there's no rhyme or reason to the selection from game to game.
Moyes has done something impossible. He made me completely indifferent to the result of the game. I'm not angry, not upset, not even disappointed.
Yeah, disgraceful stuff. I prefer the dour scottish gaze.
No other team has faced the conditions that moyes had to deal with. His mousepad was the wrong color as well.
Is this what Moyes meant by the 'new' Manchester United? Is this the 'new era' the public relations people at United keep selling us?
Why are none of the pundits on tv ever questioning Moyes?
Dear Fergie,
You called this one wrong. Moyes is not good enough. That performance was the worst I have ever seen from United
You called this one wrong. Moyes is not good enough. That performance was the worst I have ever seen from United
Given very favourable ties in the domestic cups and the Champions League draw and we're still out of everything by February. Shambles.
Because he's British.
The thing that set United apart over the past 20 years was confidence and spirit, the belief to keep going. Moyes has robbed us of that in less than a year. If we stick with Moyes soon there will be nobody who remembers the old mentality, the old way, and it'll be gone forever. In fact the old way seems like it already dead and buried.
Haha, well on Dutch T.V. Pierre Van Hooijdonk just said if someone told him that he'd been watching Preston North End he wouldn't have batted an eyelid!
I wonder if they would have been so nice to AVB.
Oh for sure. AVB did 100 times better then moyes has been doing yet he got hounded out because he's a young, foreign and talented manager.
I can accept Ferguson worked wonders with mediocre players and I can accept Young, Cleverly, Valencia and even Carrick shouldn't be good enough playing for a top four side.
Kagawa we know however is quality and has been in the champions league so why the omission? The same goes for Januzaj although he could be injured.
Welbeck did well but he had returned back from injury so i'm not surprised he did not start but how did Moyes expect to create clear cut chances with his midfield four? Why not ask Kagawa to play the Mata role?
Kagawa we know however is quality and has been in the champions league so why the omission? The same goes for Januzaj although he could be injured.
Welbeck did well but he had returned back from injury so i'm not surprised he did not start but how did Moyes expect to create clear cut chances with his midfield four? Why not ask Kagawa to play the Mata role?
How did he manage to lose the players so fast though? Yes he's a bit clueless, but the players themselves just sometimes look like they don't even know what they're doing out there, even aside from Moyes' tactics, what's going on there? 
What trophy did he win in the first place?!
He can shove that charity shield up his arse.
How did he manage to lose the players so fast though? Yes he's a bit clueless, but the players themselves just sometimes look like they don't even know what they're doing out there, even aside from Moyes' tactics, what's going on there?
When he says a few months into the job that we are 5-6 world class players short.
Wheeling carrick out for the interview is a disgrace. Moyes needs to get himself out there
How did he manage to lose the players so fast though? Yes he's a bit clueless, but the players themselves just sometimes look like they don't even know what they're doing out there, even aside from Moyes' tactics, what's going on there?
I'll try and give a detailed explanation sometime, but in extremely simple terms it boils down to him getting the reasons for squad rotation backwards. He thinks it's to be unpredictable. Unpredictability is simply a by-product of proper squad rotation, which actually exists as part of an extremely intensive preparation process looking weeks and even months ahead in the fixture list and penciling in players' minutes accordingly. It's how you keep all these big egos motivated. All big clubs do it - it's the reason Thiago had that clause in his contract, for example.
It's why Rio's lineup announcement kerfluffle was a HUGE red flag for people who know this sort of thing. It indicated that Moyes was not putting in this work.
It's part of a larger picture of him not being a born man-manager, but again that's a very long story.
Then the players themselves are mentally weak? I'm honestly not trying to excuse Moyes here or deflect blame, but honestly there has been some showings from the players themselves that just goes beyond Moyes and his sometimes clueless tactics. Tactics don't cause some of the amateurish errors that have been made over the course of the season. Is it just the effect of having someone as strong as Fergie in the background? It really has been baffling me all season.
Moyes bottled that. fecking disgrace he never faced the cameras.
He has to go....now.
He has to go....now.
This doesn't really help me understand tbh. So, the unpredictability and his lack of man management is what has affected the players this match to the point of not even being able to do some basic things right?
He has been making excuses from day one, he is always blaming others and never really takes responsibility. He said in January that ultimately the responsibility fell to him and he'd fix it by buying better players, so basically saying its not really his fault.
What a fecking pussy, can't even take a defeat like a man, doesn't even want to do a press conference. He's got only himself to blame, referee was perfectly fine today.
I have been supportive of David Moyes so far this season but this is the first time I've had doubts. Its not the result. Its the fact that his team selection today just shows he does not learn from his mistakes. Its worrying that he constantly makes the same mistakes over and over while expecting different results.
One thing I would like to point out, he brought on Kagawa and Welbeck on when we needed a goal. So what the feck's the problem in starting at least one of them (or both!) and 1)ensure we have an away goal. 2) We don't lose the initiative in the game.
For feck's sakes.
One thing I would like to point out, he brought on Kagawa and Welbeck on when we needed a goal. So what the feck's the problem in starting at least one of them (or both!) and 1)ensure we have an away goal. 2) We don't lose the initiative in the game.
For feck's sakes.
"Didn't see that performance coming..." What...WHAT.....WHAT!? Is he fecking blind?
Appointing Moyes to manage United is like putting a lorry driver on board of Boeing 787.
I hope Fergie doesn't come near in advising our next manager.
I hope Fergie doesn't come near in advising our next manager.
That was a short break then that we had from being terrible. I can't say it filled me with confidence rolling with a midfield 2 and Cleverley being one of those, as well as playing Young and Tony. Away. In Europe. Olympiakos aren't a great side by any means but they're in good form domestically and that breeds confidence. Also, they've got quite a few players who can actually play with the ball.
Where do we go from here
Where do we go from here
How? I'm being serious... how? how can you only have 'doubts' about him now? we've been playing like relegation candidates for months now. We've went from a team that won the league by twelve points to a mid-table outfit in a few months of his tenure. His performance has been as bad as anything I've ever seen in football.
He's genuinely clueless. How some fans are only getting this now I'll never know. It's been as clear as the nose on your face for months.
It should have been done at half time, he only did it when we were 2-0 down. How he could have watched that first half performance and decide to stick with what we were doing is insane, especially considering Valencia was completely hopeless as he has been for quite some time.
Also, Carrick just got a total grilling from that ITV eejit Byrne and got (wrongly) slated by Roy Keane on national television due to his interview, all because his manager wouldn't come out and face the cameras. He's the manager, he's supposed to protect his players in public, that's what good managers do.
I still can't believe we went from Fergie to Moyes. What were we actually thinking?
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