If you're suggesting Crystal Palace is a club that should concern us we really have hit rock bottom.
Moyes So Far!
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If you're suggesting Crystal Palace is a club that should concern us we really have hit rock bottom.
You completely sidestepped the point the poster was making.
Very good team against Palace, and the tactics were a lot better than previous weeks.
Now it's whether he has the balls to continue in the same vein, cut out the one dimensional football, and kick on from the positives we saw on Saturday.
A like for like team and the same tactics will encourage me further that he is starting to see what's best for this team. If he ends up sticking Young and/or Valencia into the starting lineup then I feel it will be another step backwards. There's no reason why he cannot start Kagawa in place of Mata, even Welbeck would be acceptable; but Young and Valencia are not like for like replacements at all.
Now it's whether he has the balls to continue in the same vein, cut out the one dimensional football, and kick on from the positives we saw on Saturday.
A like for like team and the same tactics will encourage me further that he is starting to see what's best for this team. If he ends up sticking Young and/or Valencia into the starting lineup then I feel it will be another step backwards. There's no reason why he cannot start Kagawa in place of Mata, even Welbeck would be acceptable; but Young and Valencia are not like for like replacements at all.
I was about happier with everything on sat, the possesion based play style, the lineups, and the way we have also seen something other than the smack ot to Valencia horror show.
Mata logged a class appart and I love him already, Evra, Carrick and fellaini all did their bit today as well ad it contributed to a good wim and hopefully this is the start of the refom
Mata logged a class appart and I love him already, Evra, Carrick and fellaini all did their bit today as well ad it contributed to a good wim and hopefully this is the start of the refom
Are you drunk?
But I can decipher that message and I agree with it.
But I can decipher that message and I agree with it.
just pointing out, as a few people have, that being saying they can't tie their shoe laces you're creating problems where none lie. You're acting like beating the 7th form side in the toughest league in the world away only 2-0 is a disgrace. We really are far too entitled as fans. It's a very good result. If you think otherwise I'll confidently say you're wrong
It's a good result, but to think that we've turned corner is too soon.
It's palace away, winning with a good performance (against we're not that good, just very good if we factor in our previous 7 mths) but we're far from turning corners
Yes, I watched the actual game live, not an edited version retrospectively. These are the stats of the game I watched.
And these were the action areas during the game:
Which means the ball was actually more in our third than theirs. Also this is where the shots came from:
Which means that the notion that their shots were not dangerous because they were all long range shots, unlike ours, is completely false. (We had higher percentages of shots farther away from goal)
And those stats don't even tell the full story. Look me in the eye and tell me we looked like scoring before the penalty. In the first 15 minutes of the second half Crystal Palace were better than us. Things only changed after the penalty. We were the better team in the last 20 minutes and we had a few chances to add more goals (which is why people with weak memory think we were in control for the whole game), but before the penalty we didn't really look like scoring.
I thought we played well (relative to our recent performances at least) in the first half. Didn't create much in the way of chances but were largely in control of the game (72% possession). Second half we didn't play well and I thought the lack of confidence running through the team was beginning to tell until we won the penalty. Once we scored though, we looked much better. Rooney scored, Fellaini had a good effort at the end of a good move, RVP hit the post.
Overall, I think were signs that we were building towards something. Hopefully we'll continue that against Olympiakos.
Moyes is getting slaughtered for that line up if things don't go well tonight.
That line-up is a result of his defensive, safety-first mentality.
Don't get me wrong, I think we'll win tonight and all but it's that mentality that shows that he's not right for us. As I said in the other thread he's our Hodgson. I just hope the powers that be realise it soon enough.
One step forwards and two steps back. You'd think he would have noticed the few times we've actually played well this season involved playing our creative players, and not playing Valencia and young. Guess he'll just never learn.
I think he only did so because he was resting his favorite players line up for this game.If he goes and breaks another record for crossing today....
I was hoping the game against palace was a turning point in terms of how we'd set up and play. Still hope we try and play that way but the line up doesn't give confidence.
Can only assume Januzaj is injured and Rafael still has concussion. There's no way Rio should be playing another 90 minutes tonight. I have to believe this because the alternative is too much to comprehend. He can't be this stupid.
Kinda like when the Barca fans say Martino isn't the right coach despite them having been on top of La Liga for a long time.
I think it's the "wrong" selection tonight but SAF picked regularly picked equally or even more defensive lineups away in the knockout stages of the CL. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with playing on the counter attack in these games. It's more that two wingers who have been picked for tonight have both been far from impressive for quite a while now.
Moreoever SAF being who he is, despite the numerous weird first 11 he'd choose in away games, we'd knew deep down he's a genius for choosing this team. We still believed in him and his team, with Moyes it's the entire opposite.
Probably was. Just resting young and Valencia so happened to play our best players on accident, gets a result but probably thought, "nah it was just crystal palace, I didn't like all the quick passing and play through the middle we tried".
Sometimes I genuinely think he's being shit on purpose to ruin us because he was sick of seeing united at the top. It's the only explanation for some of the shit he's done. Just amateur mistakes time and time again and it's hard to believe somebody who has managed in the premier league before, and kept Everton in the top half, could make so many stupid decisions.
I get the feeling that Moyes thinks that winning the Champions League is our only viable route back into the tournament next season, and thus, will be doing everything in his power to ensure we don't cock it up with expansive football.
I think we can get used to these pragmatic formations/tactics/line-ups as long as we're still in the competition, ladies and gentlemen.
I think we can get used to these pragmatic formations/tactics/line-ups as long as we're still in the competition, ladies and gentlemen.
Fergie would not have set up so defensively to a team like Olympiakos who, no disrespect to them, are probably far and away the worst team in the competition. They're nowhere near us in terms of quality, not even close. We should be going out there and imposing our attacking threat on them and not trying to stifle them and hope to knick a goal.
Yes, yes he would. He regularly left out Tevez and Berbatov and played Park in games like this. We went years going into every away game in Europe playing a very defensive 451.
Being pragmatic with this lineup against the best, well definitely fall short.
Young vs Ribery
Valencia vs Robben/Gotze....
Yep, SAF mastered the "cagey" European away tactics over the past, say, 3/4 seasons.
Indeed. We had an excellent away record playing it very, very tight indeed. Unbeaten away for a couple years wasn't it?
Yet again it amazes me that people are surprised.
What do we know for sure about Moyes? a) he likes 4-4-2, b) he likes wingers, c) he specifically likes Valencia and Young and d) he is naturally conservative.
So why the hell were people expecting him to suddenly embrace progressive tactics and drop player that have been mainstays for him so far?
I think the Mata signing tricked people into thinking the days of Young and Valencia were at an end.
What do we know for sure about Moyes? a) he likes 4-4-2, b) he likes wingers, c) he specifically likes Valencia and Young and d) he is naturally conservative.
So why the hell were people expecting him to suddenly embrace progressive tactics and drop player that have been mainstays for him so far?
I think the Mata signing tricked people into thinking the days of Young and Valencia were at an end.
Yep
iirc, don't we have the UCL record for most matches unbeaten? I might be jumping the gun. But we had a 2 year stint in which we were bossing this competition...fecking Barca!Hodgson II
I think people are still clinging to the hope that he may not in fact be a fecking idiot.
Harsh but 
He might have played Park on one side but he still had Ronaldo on the other, and even then that was against teams better than this Olympiakos side. I honestly can't think of a worse team we've played in the knockouts in years.
Fergie played the likes of Park(who was miles better than both Young and Valencia are at the moment) and usually more attacking(better) winger on the right/left. It's not even close to compare.
Firstly, Moyes doesn't HAVE Ronaldo to pick. This is what annoys me about the Moyes bashing. He's get lambasted for picking Manchester United players to play for Manchester United.
Secondly, he picked Park and Valencia on the wings in a 442/4411 against Schalke in 10/11, in the final too. In 11/12 we didnt make the knockouts but away at Benfica in the group we played with Park and Valencia wide and Giggs behind Rooney. In 12/13 we played Welbeck on the wing against Madrid and had Jones as some sort of man marker in midfield. So, yeah - more defensive line-ups.
Let's keep our criticism of Moyes to the facts and not make out that everything he does is the complete opposite to what SAF did.
Err, no. We're sixth in the league.
David Moyes will never learn. The man is unable to recognize what is working and what isn't. There's absolutely no logic to his decisions, changing style completely after our best game in the calendar year. He really doesn't have any idea what he's doing.
The fear and lack of confidence Moyes has managed to put in our team is genuinely surprising.
I wasn't obviously talking about the standings was I ?The pt is that a team could win matches while not having the ideal manager at the helm
This is everything I hoped for and more when I saw that team sheet.
Mouth watering.
I get so excited to see Smalling pass the ball to Ferdinand every time I see Valencia receive the ball.
Mouth watering.
I get so excited to see Smalling pass the ball to Ferdinand every time I see Valencia receive the ball.
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