Moyes So Far!

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SteveJ said:
Actually, I 'loved' the RAWK thread because of the often-overblown posting style(s), the type of funny stuff that elevates Rafa to sainthood, for example. Anybody can guess at the reasons why RAWKites frequently resort to conspiracy theory - generally speaking, it's probably the result of frustration because of Liverpool's lack of League success in recent times. And that, of course, doesn't mean that their theories are correct in any way.

I've stated that I'm unsure if Moyes has a point. My position is that it would be naive to disregard the possibility, given how many large businesses operate.
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I think that it might be possible to manipulate the fixtures in order to see how the manager of United (after SAF era) would do in the beginning. It is unlikely but of course it is possible. However if Moyes doesn't have any proof then what is the point to cry about it now. Usually the so called 'mind games' are done in order to help your team in some way. This doesn't help us in any way, it only makes us look like bitter losers. Add to that, after the City game (which was the last game in the difficult games) we lost to the likes of Newcastle and Everton in a row in home, and then Spurs at home and Stoke away. Even in that difficult run of games we bottled the easiest game of them all, getting defeated by WBA in one of the shittest performances I have seen on Old Trafford.

I think it would have make sense to say this, if after that run we became brilliant and now we won't win the title because we were screwed back then. However this isn't the case, after that run we started playing even worse and getting even worse results. What Moyes has done here is blaming everything else except himself. Like he has done in the entire season, blaming the computer, referees, injuries and players. Like it is an evil 'grand conspiracy' against him. I don't know but I am not sure that it helps anybody. It just makes us (and him) look a pathetic loser.
 
It's genuinely pointless going on about the opening set of fixtures screwing us over because that's not whats cost us our PL position.

It's our appalling home form, dropping points again Everton, Newcastle, Fulham, WBA, Spurs.

If we'd won those matches we'd be well up there.
 
If we were talking about results in a handful of pivotal games against the top dogs then of course scheduling, refs, and luck come into it. But we're having pivotal, history making games against Everton, Newcastle, Stoke, Swansea and we've gone from "United never lose, they simply run out of time," to routinely getting points taken off us in the final minutes.

Moyes got a soft question at the press conference. He was supposed to kick it into touch with the usual - everybody's going to drop points, the bottom clubs can take points off the top dogs, we've got to make sure we can capitalise if they slip up. Instead he ended up sounding like a conspiracy theorist.

Does it bother me? No, I'm only bothered by how we're playing. But nor does it make me think that Moyes has got past believing we've been playing well, but had a run of bad luck.
 
Ish84045 said:
It's genuinely pointless going on about the opening set of fixtures screwing us over because that's not whats cost us our PL position.

It's our appalling home form, dropping points again Everton, Newcastle, Fulham, WBA, Spurs.

If we'd won those matches we'd be well up there.
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Precisely.

All this talk of us being screwed over by the fixture list is incredibly small time. We're the defending champions, it shouldn't matter who we play in what order. If Moyes had actually managed to win what should have been our 'dead cert' 3 pointers, then perhaps he could have said a thing or two, but he hasn't so he should keep his gob shut.
 
jojojo said:
If we were talking about results in a handful of pivotal games against the top dogs then of course scheduling, refs, and luck come into it. But we're having pivotal, history making games against Everton, Newcastle, Stoke, Swansea and we've gone from "United never lose, they simply run out of time," to routinely getting points taken off us in the final minutes.

Moyes got a soft question at the press conference. He was supposed to kick it into touch with the usual - everybody's going to drop points, the bottom clubs can take points off the top dogs, we've got to make sure we can capitalise if they slip up. Instead he ended up sounding like a conspiracy theorist.

Does it bother me? No, I'm only bothered by how we're playing. But nor does it make me think that Moyes has got past believing we've been playing well, but had a run of bad luck.
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Agree with most of this.
 
Mauzindark said:
Don't know where else to post this the other CQ threads are too old :

http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/21/could...nswer-to-manchester-uniteds-problems-4312965/

Would be a brilliant appointment as Assistant Manager if we could convince him. He's a great tactician, has a long history with the club, seems affectionate towards United, and apparently fancies Moyes. Don't know why, maybe I'm shallow but I just loathe grandpa Lumsden and Steve Round - they look so gormless at the sideline. Don't mind Phil Nev, atleast he's enthusiastic and learning the trade though -1 for wearing the weird earpieces. Chris Woods too has done some good work with De Gea.
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This.

Moyes under-estimated the workload. I think he does far too much and at United with how much more than there was at Everton he has struggled therefore he needs to quickly learn the art of delegation and understand the importance of quality over quantity.

Quieroz would be a good starting point.

Moyes should be the final decision maker, he should give the yes or no regarding the tactical direction we are to progress but leave the implementation to a tactical mastermind.
 
I think the difference between pressers like what he's doing now and mourinho does, is that mourinho's been doing it since the start. It's what he is. Moyes trying to be like this just doesn't suit him and it ends up just being weird. It doesn't mean much, and it doesn't matter at all as lo as you're winning. But when you're in his position, you need every little thing you can get to get some support, and not much at all is going his way really.
 
bosnian_red said:
I think the difference between pressers like what he's doing now and mourinho does, is that mourinho's been doing it since the start. It's what he is. Moyes trying to be like this just doesn't suit him and it ends up just being weird. It doesn't mean much, and it doesn't matter at all as lo as you're winning. But when you're in his position, you need every little thing you can get to get some support, and not much at all is going his way really.
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Aye, that's a fact. And it would be incredibly hard for him to shine at pressers these days, no matter what approach he took or what he said. What he says - the moaning about the fixtures - is something many managers (including great ones) have done many times before. It's just that for him, in his current position, to make such comments will inevitably be construed as him being a mentalist, or cracking up, or whatever.

So you could say he might be better off saying something less controversial. But then again if he came across as perfectly bland people would jump on that as well. He can't win at the moment - and there's only one way to fix that.
 
That's so weird, I feel as if the journo was on a wind up. Who's the journo?
 


This is what our previous manager was doing before managing United, fighting till the end and even then, when ahead, he didn't park the bus against the mighty Real Madrid.



After coming from 2-1 down to beat the mighty Germans in the quarter finals.

If Ferguson can win the Cup winners cup with Aberdeen, I think it is fair to expect Moyes to win, at least, the league cup with Everton. This is my biggest concern so the sooner Moyes wins a trophy the better.

Let us see if the new Scotsman's sheer will and determination can drive us to European Glory 2014.
 
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I'm kind of glad the smiling "aww shucks" Moyes of the early part of the season has gone. I'd much rather see him clearly pissed-off with our situation.
 
Stack said:
I dont get the laughing emoticon relative to this?. Why use it?
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The luck of the man.

Even that press conference didn't go smoothly! He is up against it and it will show in all areas of his life. He'll turn it around and this time next year, perhaps even the end of this season he will be far more relaxed and everything will begin going as planned.

I laughed at the video, I'm not sure why the attitude? The emoticon is 'lol' and I was laughing out loud when watching it...
 
SirAF said:
Nothing weid about it, the Premier League screwed us over with the fixtures at the start of the season.
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There is no conspiracy. Why would the Premier League want the jewel in its marketing crown to turn to rubbish?
 
I was disappointed with the late start to the season,

Ditching all the coaching staff. Going on holiday and not taking the past up until July 1st was a mistake, clearly without the need of hindsight for such a huge task.

Management wise he has done pretty well for me though, sorted out the Rooney issue and got him back on song, got rid of some under performers, understood the need for new faces and has brought on Adnan and signed Quality in Mata.

From a coaching point of view though it has been much slower, lack of style and purpose, lots of off form players and the odd grumble.

The pressure is off somewhat now as expectation this year has gone, Really interested to see what kind of football he asks us to play for the rest of the season.
 
Since Pulis took over:

Palace
13 matches
19 points

United
14 matches
21 points

:lol: Time is all he needs...

Also:
Since this day last year, United are 23 points worse off and 21 goals lower goal difference. From 21-2-3 to 12-6-8.
 
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I'm gonna jump the gun and post something positive.

The signs from this first half are that we're at least trying to implement a more varied approach, not solely depending on wing play.

Could do with more runs in behind the defence though.
 
Sir Matt said:
Since Pulis took over:

Palace
13 matches
19 points

United
14 matches
21 points

:lol: Time is all he needs...

Also:
Since this day last year, United are 23 points worse off and 21 goals lower goal difference. From 21-2-3 to 12-6-8.
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Looking backwards is futile.
 
Tactics have actually changed today. No longer relying on wingers crossing the ball every time. A bit more mixture and unpredictability in our approach, especially with Mata being given a free role, Rooney being allowed to drop deep and Fellaini almost in striker positions at times.

Its a shame we haven't scored though. It just seems like the players are still slightly unfamiliar with each other when it comes to the final ball. Still, we are dominating the game in a ground where its easy to falter.
 
The Dubai week off has definitely helped in the tactics department. Less crosses and more intricate movement. Just need to get a goal or 4.
 
Raoul said:
It is if you compare it to last year.
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Not entirely. We had the same players but entirely different results. The manager and staff are the only real changes.

But I was primarily focusing on the results this season.
 
Sir Matt said:
Not entirely. We had the same players but entirely different results. The manager and staff are the only changes.
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Just looking at the manager is a bit shallow and myopic. You have to consider our injuries, executive and managerial transition, and poor summer transfer dealings.
 
Raoul said:
Just looking at the manager is a bit shallow and myopic. You have to consider our injuries, executive and managerial transition, and poor summer transfer dealings.
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The manager was at least partially responsible for the transition (sacking the previous staff) and transfer failure (pursuing players we couldn't buy).
 
Sir Matt said:
The manager was at least partially responsible for the transition (sacking the previous staff) and transfer failure (pursuing players we couldn't buy).
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Can't fault Moyes for pursuing Fabregas. If anything, he was unlucky to have walked into a situation where Fergie neglected to buy a midfielder for a few years, combined with a very good midfielder leaving (Pogba) the year before.
 
Not criticising Moyes but really don't understand the new tactic we were playing today. It was sort of a diamond wasn't it?
 
KM said:
Not criticising Moyes but really don't understand the new tactic we were playing today. It was sort of a diamond wasn't it?
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It looked to me as if we let have Mata come inside freely and had Januzaj stuck far wide.
 
It was a narrow/lopsided 4231 with Carrick getting all the ball and Fellaini doing all the running. Mata tucked in and Januzaj was slightly wider. It was much more patient than the Fulham disgrace and we were much more measured in our approach. I'd still like to see us involve RVP much more but it was an improvement nonetheless and Moyes deserves credit.
 
Empire said:
The luck of the man.

Even that press conference didn't go smoothly! He is up against it and it will show in all areas of his life. He'll turn it around and this time next year, perhaps even the end of this season he will be far more relaxed and everything will begin going as planned.

I laughed at the video, I'm not sure why the attitude? The emoticon is 'lol' and I was laughing out loud when watching it...
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no atitude here, it was simply a question, i didnt get the why
 
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