Cue the X-Files intro, I think I see a pattern here.
Moyes So Far!
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Cue the X-Files intro, I think I see a pattern here.
We're been linked with Roddy Collins here in Ireland
Guess we wouldn't be playing too many friendlies with Rangers then.
Don't know where else to post this the other CQ threads are too old :
http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/21/could...nswer-to-manchester-uniteds-problems-4312965/
Would be a brilliant appointment as Assistant Manager if we could convince him. He's a great tactician, has a long history with the club, seems affectionate towards United, and apparently fancies Moyes. Don't know why, maybe I'm shallow but I just loathe grandpa Lumsden and Steve Round - they look so gormless at the sideline. Don't mind Phil Nev, atleast he's enthusiastic and learning the trade though -1 for wearing the weird earpieces. Chris Woods too has done some good work with De Gea.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/21/could...nswer-to-manchester-uniteds-problems-4312965/
Would be a brilliant appointment as Assistant Manager if we could convince him. He's a great tactician, has a long history with the club, seems affectionate towards United, and apparently fancies Moyes. Don't know why, maybe I'm shallow but I just loathe grandpa Lumsden and Steve Round - they look so gormless at the sideline. Don't mind Phil Nev, atleast he's enthusiastic and learning the trade though -1 for wearing the weird earpieces. Chris Woods too has done some good work with De Gea.
The most frustrating part about him that he really drains you emotionally. When you see some good signs from him on or off the pitch there comes a huge letdown in the next few days. We were linked to Mata, we lost to Sunderland. He shows some balls in the press conferences, we lose to Stoke. We sign Rooney to a new contract ...
For starters a convincing victory with some good play from us would be such a lovely surprise. But I wouldn't bet on it. I can already see the Moyes out threads after the Palace game.
For starters a convincing victory with some good play from us would be such a lovely surprise. But I wouldn't bet on it. I can already see the Moyes out threads after the Palace game.
From Republik of Mancunia:
The final question he was asked today was a fairly supportive one, talking about the chances United might have to close the gap between us and the top of the table, and he bizarrely responded by hinting the Premier League were happy that United were doing badly.
This season, lots of people have said it’s the most competitive Premier League season ever, both the battle at the bottom, the top, top four, everything. Do you think this season more than ever there’s far more chance to make up a margin of eleven points?
I might disagree with you about the Premier League but that’s only me.
You don’t think it’s been as competitive?
I think the Premier League have got it the way they want it, that’s for sure. They’ve got what they wanted.
What do you mean by that?
I wouldn’t answer that.
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The final question he was asked today was a fairly supportive one, talking about the chances United might have to close the gap between us and the top of the table, and he bizarrely responded by hinting the Premier League were happy that United were doing badly.
This season, lots of people have said it’s the most competitive Premier League season ever, both the battle at the bottom, the top, top four, everything. Do you think this season more than ever there’s far more chance to make up a margin of eleven points?
I might disagree with you about the Premier League but that’s only me.
You don’t think it’s been as competitive?
I think the Premier League have got it the way they want it, that’s for sure. They’ve got what they wanted.
What do you mean by that?
I wouldn’t answer that.
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More of the fixtures set up against us spiel? If he's trying to win people over with a siege mentality, being a crazy won't work.
^ I thought Moyes had grown out of that nonsense, apparently not.
A siege mentality might not have been a bad idea a few months ago mind, provided that he had in him to maintained the full support of the squad that is.
A siege mentality might not have been a bad idea a few months ago mind, provided that he had in him to maintained the full support of the squad that is.
He's talking bollocks again. Implying some sort of mega-conspiracy is going on to ensure everything is tight and competitive is just plain bonkers.
I've no idea what Moyes is up to, taking the champions to seventh is inexcusable, but if Mourinho had said something similar he'd be lauded for his mind games.
Moyes in today's Guardian:
With just a little modification though...
With just a little modification though...
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I don't think this is something people would be claiming as great mind games even if Mourinho said it. It sounds like a pretty feeble attempt by Moyes to create a 'them against us' mentality except the 'them' is a few anonymous suits that pick fixtures out at random at the start of the season, hardly very inspirational for the players.
Or maybe Moyes does actually think the Premier League is out to get him which would be strange. This is closer to a Rafa rant rather than Fergie mind games.
It's all completely irrelavant anyway, the football is what counts, unfortunately that's not going so great at the moment
Or maybe Moyes does actually think the Premier League is out to get him which would be strange. This is closer to a Rafa rant rather than Fergie mind games.
It's all completely irrelavant anyway, the football is what counts, unfortunately that's not going so great at the moment
People over analyse this shit.
What a weird man.
They don't 'analyse' anything mate. Analysing involves using one's brain. They just quote it and say it's bullshit and how does he dare to say things. If he doesn't then he's a boring cnut who's dull in his interviews, when he says something you'd expect to hear from Mourinho then he's retarded and he should shut up and never give interviews.
Even if he said that the Earth is round he'd get called an idiot here by some.
Whatever Moyes does tends to get overanalysed but that's a very odd response. No 2 ways about it.
I have a genuine loathing for some people on here. I know they wont care and ultimately anything here means little but you should see yourselves. Truly just undeniably pathetic. Every single thing the man says. You could trawl through every single press conference fergie ever gave, take the same innocuous soundbytes and quote them with words like "embarrasing" "oh sweet jesus" or lots of green smileys to demonstrate how perplexed you are by this apparent imbecile managing the club.
Seriously, as I said most will just shout this down or ignore it, but try try try to have some sense of perspective and reason in you criticisms.
Seriously, as I said most will just shout this down or ignore it, but try try try to have some sense of perspective and reason in you criticisms.
To be fair, it is a shit response. We hardly understand it let alone overanalysing it
I'm not bothered by what he says anymore, all i care about is our performance getting better, that's the main problem here not his interviews, he isn't helping himself though.
Yeah, this is about right.
One cannot turn a FWD car into a RWD car by simply bolting on a set of coilovers and pulling the handbrake around a corner. The same can be said of Moyes and his plans. You do not take a team who has known little apart from wing-play, served under 1 manager for most of their careers and turn them into a fluid, hard-pressing master class of a team in 6 months.
If Klopp or Pep were offered the job why would either one of them want to come to us? Because we're Manchester United? No, sorry, apparently our name means feck all in signing top class players so it should apply for managers as well. The truth of the matter is, any other manager would have come and taken time to mould things into their own vision. Klopp with a midfield of Carrick and Cleverley and an aging defence who struggle to bring the ball out from the back? Pep trying to get Carrick to press the opposition?
The ONLY manager I could have seen coming in and doing a good top 3 job off the bat was Mourinho, because his football is heavily reliant on defending, defending, defending and then hitting on the counter, and with Young - Rooney - Valencia, I'm sure he would have done that. People seem to have forgotten that when Mourinho was at Chelsea, we all lambasted him for his style of play, hell Fergie himself said it was nothing but tedious playing Chelsea.
tl;dr - Moyes was the most sensible appointment given any other manager would have had to rebuild and the fact he will stay here for a long time.
If Klopp or Pep were offered the job why would either one of them want to come to us? Because we're Manchester United? No, sorry, apparently our name means feck all in signing top class players so it should apply for managers as well. The truth of the matter is, any other manager would have come and taken time to mould things into their own vision. Klopp with a midfield of Carrick and Cleverley and an aging defence who struggle to bring the ball out from the back? Pep trying to get Carrick to press the opposition?
The ONLY manager I could have seen coming in and doing a good top 3 job off the bat was Mourinho, because his football is heavily reliant on defending, defending, defending and then hitting on the counter, and with Young - Rooney - Valencia, I'm sure he would have done that. People seem to have forgotten that when Mourinho was at Chelsea, we all lambasted him for his style of play, hell Fergie himself said it was nothing but tedious playing Chelsea.
tl;dr - Moyes was the most sensible appointment given any other manager would have had to rebuild and the fact he will stay here for a long time.
If he was in 7th position on the table he would have looked a fool too. If you speak bullshit but you're winnning then it looks at times hilarious, though many other times boring (both SAF and Mourinho). If you speak bullshit but you lose then you'll look a fool (Moyes and Benitez in 'facht speech').
I just think we need some stability to get us started. Confidence is obviously low, we've got players out all the time. I just want to see a fixed cb pairing (Smalling-Jones) and Rafael, Nani, Rooney and Fellaini have a run of games without keeling over. Build some momentum from there. On top of what's obviously been a poor season, it's been very start-stop.
Anyone ever see The Simpsons episode where Mr.Burns is managing the soft ball team?
Despite us winning the league easily last season. This post it sound as if we valiantly fought of relegation last season.
We have no idea if he will be good enough to stay for a long time. The assumption is a long term option for us by default is a bit odd IMO. He first has to prove he is good enough and after that loyalty comes into it.
It's spherical, and what's he doing talking about planets in a football interview? Moyes out.
While people have been critical over the smallest things previously, I don't think anyone can argue that he's not talking a load of shit in those quotes, with regards to the PL anyway.
I'm not sure that I agree with what Moyes is implying (and it isn't the first time he's implied that something is amiss regarding fixtures) but it does no-one any favours to simply dismiss his so-called bizarre opinions out of hand; after all, we are talking about a multi-million-pound business and, unless I've missed something recently, businesses of that magnitude often 'arrange' things in favour of themselves or their affiliates. This isn't 'conspiracy theory' but a mere fact of modern life. Moyes may well be entirely mistaken but there's nothing crazy about it - the very same newspapers which report on, say, Libor fixing will also likely tell us that Moyes has gone mad over fixture-schedule fixing. Don't be led by the nose.
Nothing weid about it, the Premier League screwed us over with the fixtures at the start of the season.
While they were difficult fixtures, you can't put the outcome of them down to the PL. The Man City game was a tactical nightmare, the Liverpool game was just a mirror image of our problems this year with regards to creating chances, and the Chelsea game was a fair result. If anything it gave us a chance to get the hard games out of the way first, then capitalize on a run of easy fixtures. In the end we've struggled all year. Hardly the fault of the PL.
Nothing to different from what Arsenal have experienced most of the season either. Liverpool also had a quick run of difficult fixtures within a week or two of each other.
Of course, but when you get a start like that and find yourself playing catch up already after a few weeks then you're always going to be in for a rough ride. However, if the team had not played like a bunch of losers against cannon fodder at Old Trafford, for about 4-5 matches, then we would have been up there with Arsenal months ago.
So, I agree that we can't blame the whole season on the start - but I'm certain that we would have been, at least, a little bit better off.
The Premier League, as a concept and as a brand, was given a tremendous boost by Manchester United's brilliance, flair and success; would it really surprise anyone if the PL were now looking for a new 'flagship' brand club, one which makes exciting big-money signings, one which plays in a globally-appealing, continental (and not merely British) style...and one which miraculously seems to have got so many journalists onside? "PL & others, what first attracted you to billionaire-Manchester City?"...
It's quite clear that, in modern-day Britain, everything is for sale - even integrity - and never mind the morals or sporting ethics; why else would the game welcome would-be owners who possess dire human rights records, people whose fortunes may well be built on a pile of corpses or on violations of the law? Everything's for sale if you have enough money to grease the wheels. Unless we've all been suddenly struck blind and can no longer read, it isn't bizarre or crazy to consider the evidence of recent history.
It's quite clear that, in modern-day Britain, everything is for sale - even integrity - and never mind the morals or sporting ethics; why else would the game welcome would-be owners who possess dire human rights records, people whose fortunes may well be built on a pile of corpses or on violations of the law? Everything's for sale if you have enough money to grease the wheels. Unless we've all been suddenly struck blind and can no longer read, it isn't bizarre or crazy to consider the evidence of recent history.
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You play everyone twice anyway, we've been shite in nearly every game this season, that has nothing to do with the fixture list.
You'd wonder if the board and the owners agree with Moyes' sentiment though.
You'd wonder if the board and the owners agree with Moyes' sentiment though.
Add the "living so long in Uniteds shadow", and they can be the new "most romantic team in football".
Actually it is a bit of 'conspiracy theory'. Knowing that you loved RAWK thread here (and who doesn't) I can see both of us making green smilies if Rodgers would have sayed that and then RAWK posters would have really believed it. Unless Moyes has some clear proves that EPL was fixed, I don't get what is the point of moaning about the start 7 months from that time. Especially considering that it isn't that we started bad and then improved after the tough start, actually we started better than we are doing now on 'easy' games.
If anybody seriously thinks us languishing in 7th place is good news for the money men at Sky/BT or the premier league, think again.
These guys want the biggest, most supported clubs at the top so more people are watching. It's that simple.
These guys want the biggest, most supported clubs at the top so more people are watching. It's that simple.
Actually, I 'loved' the RAWK thread because of the often-overblown posting style(s), the type of funny stuff that elevates Rafa to sainthood, for example. Anybody can guess at the reasons why RAWKites frequently resort to conspiracy theory - generally speaking, it's probably the result of frustration because of Liverpool's lack of League success in recent times. And that, of course, doesn't mean that their theories are correct in any way.
I've stated that I'm unsure if Moyes has a point. My position is that it would be naive to disregard the possibility, given how many large businesses operate.
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