A lot will depend on the performances in the CL, if it's by some miraculous luck we get to the semis then I think the criticism will be the same and not even slightly better.
Moyes So Far!
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A lot will depend on the performances in the CL, if it's by some miraculous luck we get to the semis then I think the criticism will be the same and not even slightly better.
If we climbed up to 5th and reached the semis yes a reappraisal would potentially be in order. I've said all along it isn't so much about the league finish itself, it's about signs of improvement. If we finish 5th on the back of a convincing run of wins and positive displays that would be an improvement. Not conclusive proof that everything is OK again but cause for some hope at least. The CL run would be a bonus, it's all experience for Moyes.
The manager clearly needs help. For the moment, Let's not talk about sacking him, but why are we not doing anything else to stop the run of piss poor results?
Hire another assistant manager, bring in better coaching staffs, even ask fergie to co-manage the team to steady the ship etc...
We can actually do lots of things but had done absolutely nothing...
Hire another assistant manager, bring in better coaching staffs, even ask fergie to co-manage the team to steady the ship etc...
We can actually do lots of things but had done absolutely nothing...
Getting SAF to co-manage would literally be the worst possible move on our part.
As for assistant managers and coaching staff, that should be Moyes' call and nobody else's.
As for assistant managers and coaching staff, that should be Moyes' call and nobody else's.
It would be better just to sack him. It would be a huge sign of a lack of confidence and would undermine him deeply. It wouldn't help him to win over the players either.
All this talk of bringing back Fergie, either replacing Moyes or as some sort of an assistant to DM is misguided I think. What we need is a clean break in order to progress from where we are.
If he needs help and accepts it, then he's the one who should and would make that call. Bringing in an assistant manger orthaving Sir Alex return would be heavily detrimental to his confidence and image, basically saying "I'm clueless and I need hand-holding" at which point we mind as well sack him and bring a proper fit.
SAF shouldn't be involved. Should Moyes fail or succeed it should be on his own. There's no harm in asking for help but he should be the one to take the initiative. It must not be forced.
The boys on Soccer Saturday starting to discuss Moyes/United now.
Exactly. If we have a problem we the way things have done, we should replace the manager and not force on him people to make him change.
Anyhow, I'd assume Moyes is capable of making a team play the sort of football he likes. I doubt he's trying to make us play a totally different type of football to what we've been showing. We can bring in the best assistant and first team coaches, but it'll still be his football.
I'd agree that a reappraisal would be in order should Moyes somehow drag us to the semi-finals of the Champions League and fifth in the league. Any sort of progression from here on in is something that is gonna have to be cling to. Because there's been none so far.
Ok ive finally calmed down after the awful Fulham game and im slowly sliding back into the give him some more time way of thinking. I keep going back and forth between knee jerking and then thinking in the long view, i know we have been bloody awful but i think we have to ride this out and see what happens next season. If Fergie says we need to give him time then we need to listen to him. What we need to see however is a change in playing style, as long as we get some progress in that respect ill be happy.
We need to accept that the United that went out and blitzed everything, winning trophy after trophy is gone for a while now. Building a new side and a new modern ethos is vital, letting players like Vida and Evra, Ferdy leave the club is very difficult but we need new blood and hunger, let Moyes build something for a couple of years and just support him, of course there will be hard times like there is right now but lets give it time, nothing happens over night.
We need to accept that the United that went out and blitzed everything, winning trophy after trophy is gone for a while now. Building a new side and a new modern ethos is vital, letting players like Vida and Evra, Ferdy leave the club is very difficult but we need new blood and hunger, let Moyes build something for a couple of years and just support him, of course there will be hard times like there is right now but lets give it time, nothing happens over night.
I hope the fact we've little else to play for in the league will see a transformation in playing style. Hoping Moyes takes off the shackles.
What did they say? Still blaming our squad or have they started to admit some of our players are being mismanaged?
They didn't really go into who was to blame. I agreed with most of what they had to say actually; talked about the game against Fulham and just said that we deserved to win it but our defending was atrocious for the goals. The discussion mostly revolved around whether we'd be able to attract big name players if we missed out on Europe this year - all agreed that we would but if we missed out for two years running that's when things can really start going wrong.
Cruised isn't quite the word I would use for our Champions League campagin to date, we were poor in both the Shaktar games, and only managed a 0-0 draw to Sociedad who were quite honestly one of the least talented CL sides we've faced in the competition in nigh 2 decades, the only two resounding victorys were over Leverkusen.
Exactly. Outside of the Leverkusen games our performances were pretty shit.
Doubtful. People underestimate the scale of the task which may confront the club over the summer.
Worst case scenario:
Rio, Vidic, Evra all leave - very likely
Kagawa, Hernandez ask to go - likely
Rooney refuses to sign a new contract, and has to be sold - consistent with his past behaviour.
RvP wants to leave - doesn't look happy, reports of bad relationship with Moyes and dissatisfaction with his training methods; left Arsenal to win trophies, which looks an unlikely prospect in Moyes United, and not getting any younger.
There's also the minor matter of buying a new central midfield.
And all this business has to be done by two people who, in much more favourable circumstances, succeeded in bringing in Marouane Fellaini for £28m last summer. This time out they will be offering no Champions League football; a team playing awful football under a manager who looks clueless;and no obvious reason to believe things will improve. I don't think the world's superstars will be queuing up.
You could of said the same of a side that won literally nothing in over a quarter of a century but the World's superstars still signed for City. ££$$
Thing is, even if they ask to go, want to leave, will be unhappy or whatever, it doesn't mean that we'll let them go, they must honour the contracts they are under right now and if we won't find close to equivalent replacement, there's no point in letting them go.
We're going to need to show some £££££££ this Summer if we want to attract the players we want.
It's sad, but true. Unless of course there are genuine United-supporting players out there who are willing to help reconstruct United into a CL team again for 2 seasons time.
It's sad, but true. Unless of course there are genuine United-supporting players out there who are willing to help reconstruct United into a CL team again for 2 seasons time.
We don't have chelsea or city's billions
We don't need to purchase a whole empire to attract the players we already have it, we just have to pay the fees and wages the top players demand, which is what we haven't done until Juan Mata.
I hope Moysie wasn't watching the City game.
He'll realise what a hell of a job we have to catch them up.
He'll realise what a hell of a job we have to catch them up.
City were a little lucky in their timing - they got pivotal players like Toure and Silva early on with little competition (Fergie was out back playing with his grandchildren), and a shedload of money was enough to bring them to the Etihad (we were in a similar position with Mata). Great players who either wanted out, or were being pushed out, and no other top club wanted.
Even so, and with all the money in the world, it took a few years to put together their present team. We have to reconstruct our side with a lot less money, and, if I may say so, with a very unattractive manager.
Anything can happen in football, or course, but, looking at things objectively, our time of troubles may well be upon us. The wilderness beckons.
It's neither smug nor naive to suggest the best players in the world won't want to play for United. We're still the biggest club in England and one season outside of Europe won't change that. If we pay the money the players will come.
It really hit home this weekend how out of it we are. Yeah, sure we have the champions league...but..I don't know, it just felt empty recently..
None of this is absolute Will
see what I did. I think we are still a very good proposition to players, Arsenal have survived winning nothing and Wengers come under a lot of stick, especially last season, which was preceded by signing one of the World's top players, Liverpool are another example, Suarez could have left in the summer but they hung onto him despite finishing 7th. Not arrogance nor smug to suggest any of that Keenst, your spot on, the name of Manchester United will remain huge and will outlive any of us including Moyes and Round.
Manchester United's status as a club won't change after one bad season. We're still a European heavyweight. Transfer fees and status aside, it's the wages that most players care about most of all and United are right up there.
I don't know why, but I've got a feeling we're going to win the CL
...no no...really....Whether we're the biggest is irrelevant to players - the money & CL is relevant. Given we can't offer one of them and have refused to pay big over last 5 years, i don't see how any Utd fan can be confident.
It was clear we needed to invest in the summer and Moyes inability to make a decision will have long lasting ramifications. Instead, the club embarks on its biggest rebuild ever in its first season outside CL.
Yes Moyes is to blame for this seasons debacle but lets remember the real enemy here - we've cut corners for years cause of those fecking leeches and its all coming home to roost now.
It's status as a club will be clear.
Fallen giant. Whether it can pick itself up under the current management is debatable too.
Some posts aren't even worth responding to, pathetic attempt.
I go through different emotions. I'm one of those who believe in giving him the summer and some of next season to see if there will be some cunning plan in it all. However, today, with no football and the FA cup being played this weekend, I'm right peed off with Moyes for us not being more involved more with everyting. Yeah, maybe he isn't exactly all to blame for it...but you've got to throw shite at something haven't you..
Worrying, you can't pick up yourselves from failure to win anything past 8 years now, hope we don't pick the same path.
Imagine Moyes winning the champions league ..I cant think of anything more ridiculus right now. I just hope we dont get shown up by that joke Olybiakos.
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem with drugs.
I have a feeling that Moyes probably feels the same!
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