It would make more sense to pair a couple of technical midfield players with a brute, no?
Moyes So Far!
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I take your point. With his contract, and purchase price we're basically stuck.
Depends really, if a new manager comes in and has no time for him then he'll he be shafted no problem. At a loss, most definitely, but it'd make no sense paying his significant wages if he wasn't wanted.
How'd you figure that? Everton paid 15m at an age where you'd expect his value to increase. His PL career to date could only be described as a success too.
I think Fellaini is a far better footballer than a lot of people are willing to admit. Not that he's shown it in a United shirt. Early days though.
I don't think you read his post properly. Witsel plays with two of the three mentioned.
When you put it like that, it's just occurred to me that David Moyes has spent £42.5m on Fellaini in his career.
I don't think you can use that as a barometer as to what other people would value him at.
'Willing to admit'. You make it sound like we have something against the guy other than the fact we think he's a limited footballer not up to standard.
Fellaini will do a great job in certain systems (Everton, Belgium) I just don't think he's what we've come to expect at United. Unless of course Moyes has plans to completely change our style of football to make Fellaini fit into a system more suited to his attributes. I'm not looking forward to that day if that's the plan.
Well solely because if the media are to be believed, a few clubs had a look during the summer (Arsenal among them) and weren't willing to pay his release clause. I suspect his true value is around the price Everton paid originally, or a bit over. So when you factor in us wanting rid, him not performing (all in this hypothetical, obviously), cutting a few million of the actual price he's worth when he's playing well sounds right to me. Big clubs selling players they don't want very rarely get the bulk of their money back, especially if they overpaid.
Or that could all be a load of bollocks. After all Andy Carroll has transferred for fees of £52m odd in his career.
If Fellaini is to be believed he turned down Arsenal in favour of a move to United.
That's exactly what I think. Specifically, the manager who signed him twice.
If we play with him in the hole, I will cry and probably burn an effigy of Moyes.
I like Mata.
Wasn't his release clause 24m quid? So you could argue that anything south of that would have been his market value.
But meh, arguing about transfer fees is a pointless waste of time. Even for me.
Fellaini isn't the donkey he is portrayed by some people here but I am afraid he isn't good enough for a top team too. At best I can see him being a decent squad player (assuming that we will eventually get improved on that area) and I think that if Moyes get sacked, Fellaini will be one of the first players who will follow him.
Also, lets not overrate Belgium yet. They have played nice but this is the first time they have qualified for any important competition since WC2002. Playing a few games there doesn't make neccesarily him good enough to be good enough for a top team, especially not for that price.
I read this but seriously I find it hard to believe. It looked to me from the beginning to end a media fabrication (like how we are linked with half of Europe's player every year). Arsenal is one of the clubs that are suited least to Fellaini's game, his price wasn't that big and they didn't even make an offer for him (we made 3 or 4 until we signed). Linking all these things I think that chances that they were interested really on him aren't higher than us linked with Falcao last year when a lot of media said that we were going to sign him. It just didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now.
Andy Mitten wrote in the summer that Moyes was looking to bring in two players from Everton that the remaining Ferguson era staff did not think were good enough for Manchester United. It was undoubtedly Fellani and Baines.
This season is such a clusterf*ck, it's actually hard to say which players are deadwood, not United quality, and such.
Watching him in Everton, I think Fellaini has a potential to be a good to very good CM. He's still relatively young, and has good technique.
Watching him in Everton, I think Fellaini has a potential to be a good to very good CM. He's still relatively young, and has good technique.
Reading back on articles it sounds like when he played in midfield for Everton early days he was the brute behind a narrow three for a successful period, Donovan, pienaar and the Russian sounding bloke whose name began with B.
Considering Moyes apparent transfer inkling for an attacking mid maybe we're going to see something similar. If we'd have got Fabregas/Herrera and Baines the below could have been exceptional. One can hope..
Rafa---Fellaini---Baines
Mata-Fabregas-Kagawa
------Rooney-------
-------RvP
Considering Moyes apparent transfer inkling for an attacking mid maybe we're going to see something similar. If we'd have got Fabregas/Herrera and Baines the below could have been exceptional. One can hope..
Rafa---Fellaini---Baines
Mata-Fabregas-Kagawa
------Rooney-------
-------RvP
Keep dreaming kiddo.
For some reason reading that made me laugh.
I'm quietly confident he's going to prove people wrong. Would be nice if he was a catalyst for Moyes revival. Really eager to have him back now.
Were fellaini's best games as an attacking mid
He's not half the player Carrick is that role. Then there's Fletcher, Jones, and Clev who are ahead of him in my opinion.
Likely bullied other kids with his height and long arms.
A few weeks ago I was discussing Fellaini on here and someone, I can't remember who now, said he was very good at dominating a relatively small area of the pitch. That can be further forward or sitting, he can do both but he doesn't have the mobility to do both at the same time.
If that turns out to be the case he could be what we need. We don't need anyone getting involved in attacks, we have plenty of great attacking players. We just need protection for the back four, he can do that well.
If that turns out to be the case he could be what we need. We don't need anyone getting involved in attacks, we have plenty of great attacking players. We just need protection for the back four, he can do that well.
I'm one of Carricks biggest fans but I don't think he's got it in him to be a destroyer like Fletcher was way back occasionally, would depend on the game. With Fellaini you have a back 3 in essence but we'd need a world class attacking mid to make the above work.
One decent midfielder will give us so many more options, questions remain whether Moyes would use them but he has in the past at Everton, just not frequently perhaps?
The idea of him playing for Arsenal just seems odder than for us!
Seeing as we've been talking about Martinez and Everton a lot, the one game which has me most optimistic about Fellaini as a United player was when we cam up against Barry, McCarthy et al.
Fellaini played slap bang in the middle of midfield in that game and we dominated the first half. Probably our best 45 of the season. Ran out of legs in the second half but that wasn't a great surprise. Not ideal pairing someone who wasn't match fit with an old Welsh bloke the same age as me!
Fellaini played slap bang in the middle of midfield in that game and we dominated the first half. Probably our best 45 of the season. Ran out of legs in the second half but that wasn't a great surprise. Not ideal pairing someone who wasn't match fit with an old Welsh bloke the same age as me!
It's obvious with Moyes that some people won't give him ANY credit. People were "gutted" Anderson left, read the topic when Fergie was there and people were begging him to go. If it was Fergie who sold him then everyone would be delighted.
I can see why people don't like Moyes. He wasn't my first choice but people have to give him some credit for stuff he's done right in his career. For example the Ross Barkley stuff is nonsense, you don't just play players every week when they're 18 years old in the premer league, that's how they end their careers by 29 (see Owen for example) unless they're an exception such as Ronaldo.
There's just people who are determined to not praise anything he's done, people even suggested Fergie signed Mata in some places. The questioning of the Fellaini signing is odd to. Was it over priced? Probably, but then lets not pretend that never happens with premier league players going to other clubs. Look at Valencia and Young as examples of that, you're selling to a direct rival.
I can see why Moyes would bring in a few Everton players he thinks are good enough. Baines, Fellaini, Barkley (to an extent) and Coleman probably fit that bill. I think we'd be quite a few places higher in the table if he got Baines, under Moyes he was always one of, if not the most direct, output Everton have. For all the slating people give Moyes about the crossing and it was ridiculous vs FUlham I agree people like Baines are so good at it that it would of worked in that game more than Evra did I'd think. It's similar to Kolorov at City.
He has looked decent a couple of times for us, once in Europe I think. He needs more time, his career at United so far has not had any momentum.
Yeah, that's why I'm not writing him off.
Be disingenuous to pretend he hasn't been poor more often than he's been good but still...
Apologies if this link was already posted http://livelifeunited.com/illustrat...campaign=illustration-moyes-tactics-stone-age
It explains rather well our main pb with off the ball movement and not giving players passing options therefore forcing a cross/a back pass.
It explains rather well our main pb with off the ball movement and not giving players passing options therefore forcing a cross/a back pass.
I'm surprised he's so high in the table with that awful squad he inherited. He's doing well and must be given time.
Just when I thought I was over that Fulham game! F*cking infuriating and those graphics are exactly how I remember it. No one in the middle, playing exclusively down the flanks with the forwards pushing up high waiting for the cross which got easily cleared.
But hey, the manager said we played well and we'll keep doing the same things. Luck, hope try etc...
This is pretty much what we've all seen. Our spacing, particularly of the midfield, is terrible. There's no support through the middle because all the players are pushing wide or sitting back. I've noticed it some previously with our players just waiting for the ball to come to them instead of moving to the ball to be available. Barcelona/Bayern's game isn't complicated, they just maximize the options a player with the ball has and ensures that all the options are simple. So many times our players have passes intercepted because the receiver stands and waits for it rather than moving to the ball.
He was so happy last night.
The only complaint with Fellaini here is that he's not up to a standard United must demand. He was a good fit for Everton and he's done a job for Belgium, but surely we can all agree both those outfits are a few steps below United, at least the United of recent vintage.
It's not personal and the hair jokes are just hair jokes. If he were a monster footballer who justified the 27.5m fee, I wouldn't care if he looked like the patriarch dude from Duck Dynasty!
It's not personal and the hair jokes are just hair jokes. If he were a monster footballer who justified the 27.5m fee, I wouldn't care if he looked like the patriarch dude from Duck Dynasty!
I'm confused
According to some on here we had to play it wide all the time as there was no space to run into. Seems they were wrong all along then.
Why even mention that? Should we only sign players who have played for clubs as good or better than Manchester United?
We'll never know if he's good enough to step up and become a regular for United until he gets a fair chance to prove it. 8 games is not a fair chance.
Oddly enough, he lost it on the sideline in the last minute when we were attacking and Carrick and Cleverley just passed it back instead of attacking...That shit needs to stop! It's been happening for years!
On any giving night, in any season, I'd take a 0-0 away to Arsenal everytime. Especially after beating them at home.
However, unless there are massive improvements between now and the end of the season, he should be shown the door! He has no excuses now with the attacking players we have! He needs to grow a set, experiment with them and show he is capable of producing the football that we are known to play!
The United calypso, with the lyrics, "football thought by Matt Busby" and that bloody advertisement board "learn to play the United way" are embarrassing with some of the toss we've produced this year.
For me, this is the last time I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and unless we push on instead of taking yet another two steps back, he's gotta be asked some serious questions at least
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