Was that why was he beaming in the post match interview? Looked like he had won the game! Not losing @ the Emirates, is the new winning.
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Was that why was he beaming in the post match interview? Looked like he had won the game! Not losing @ the Emirates, is the new winning.
Oh please, did you see him at the end of the game in that crap BT caption thing, he was urging the team on to attack and when they did not go ahead with that last counter, he was dissapointed. He was not beaming, silly comments.
In a technical Belgian team who have ample other midfield options, ok.
Mata is definitely not playing as a classic winger. He doesn't have exactly the freedom the likes of Ozil and Silva have, but is neither as static as Young/Valencia (or even Kagawa/Januzaj). Rooney is more a striker than a No. 10 IMO.
It isn't a traditional 442 by any means, but is more closer to that than the 4-5-1 of the likes of Arsenal/Chelsea/Madrid/Bayern/BVB etc.
For Moyes it is, typical of last years Everton try to get a draw or steal a win against "better" teams.
Just my opinion, but I think playing Fellaini in the middle of the park makes it significantly more difficult for a team to play good possession based attacking football when compared to playing a technically sound player in there. Didn't think it would be that controversial.
Gareth Barry is not a great player by any stretch of imagination, but he can at least pass the ball.
Out of interest, why would Martinez play someone in those crucial opening fixtures that he wanted shipped out because he was such a hindrance to the football he wanted to play?
And why would said player see more of the ball than any other player in the Everton team?
And why would said player see more of the ball than any other player in the Everton team?
Mata was roaming in, but he was also surprisingly good defensively. He definitely seems to impact the game more when he comes inside.
Fellaini who was a key player for them and Anichebe who was woeful but got games.
Martinez would have kept Fellani if he had the choice but because of their financial situation, he was probably overruled.
Well they seemed to play well under Moyes when he played there. Belgium seem to keep the ball well and he doesn't look of place there either.
A mistake. Draws against Norwich, West Brom and Cardiff in August. Fellaini leaves at end of August. Winning run and good football commences.
I'm not going to deny that Fellaini suits the style of football Moyes played at Everton.
That was not what I was exactly saying. I was meaning Fellaini played well technically at Everton and your argument fails to respond to the fact Belgium play him on a regular basis.
To be honest, I haven't seen enough of Belgium to know how he plays for them and whether they would be better off dropping him for better technical players.
From what I've seen of him in his five season at Everton, they would have been better off replacing him with midfielder with superior ability a long time ago, if their ambition was to play possession based attacking football. But it wasn't their ambition under Moyes, so fair enough.
I don't think any other top team would have signed Fellaini, or certainly not for that kind of money.
Getting rid of Fellaini for McCarthy could prove wise if McCarthy develops well. But then I wanted McCarthy and a top CM in instead of Fellaini so might be biased.
Who knows, there were other teams interested in him. I do think we should have just met his original clause price and got him early. The hu ha certainly would have reduced if we had done that. He is a good player and he certainly has the talent to come good and I hope he can prove his doubters wrong. He was definitely instrumental to Everton's success.
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They could have got McCarthy anyway and played him deeper, if anything Barkley has been playing in that more forward role and excelling in it.
A mistake?
I thought you said Martinez wanted rid of him the moment we first expressed an interest?
I suspect he did. But Fellaini is still better than the other midfielders he had available. Look at the bench for those first three games of Everton's season - who else could he play?
Don't think so. They had to sell Fellaini to get the cash for McCarthy as well as us loaning Powell to Wigan.
I've no idea who was on the bench but I'm sure they would have been a better option than a player so technically limited he had to get rid of him for the good of the team.
They didn't have any other midfielders available. Bench for the opening game was:
- 01 Robles - GK
- 05 Heitinga - D
- 26 Stones - D
- 09 Kone - S
- 10 Deulofeu - W
- 14 Naismith - W
- 28 Anichebe - S
Ok, fair enough. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that he didn't just choose not to put a specialist CM on the bench (which he's done a lot this season).
Doesn't change the fact he gave Fellaini such a central role in his tactics. In every game in that run Fellaini passed the ball more than any other Everton player. If Martinez had the sort of doubts you imply he could have easily marginalised him.
He sold him three games into his tenure. Was the right decision in my opinion.
Bit disingenuous that, Mike. He sold him because he was getting a feckload of money into a club that isn't exactly flush and because he wanted out. I find it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't have found a way to work him into his side given his ability to improve players like McCarthur and Ben Watson.
I think it was mainly driven by the fact that he preferred McCarthy to Fellaini. Getting a crazy amount of money was impressive, but I suspect if you offered him a straight swap of McCarthy for Fellaini or nothing, he'd have taken it. He probably could have improved Fellaini though, I agree.
He didn't sell Baines in a similar position.
Martinez didn't had McCarthy at that time. Fellaini was better than other options he has (Osman or Gibson). If he hadn't sell Fellaini then very likely he would't had money to sign McCarthy, a player who is miles better than Fellaini in Martinez's system.
Fellaini hasn't ever been 'at the center' of Belgium midfield. Witsel is their main midfielder while Fellaini, Defour and Dembele fight for the other spots.
Yeah I remember saying it at the time. He wanted the funds for McCarthy and Fellaini isn't a Martinez type player in any way.
I wouldn't disagree with the bit about McCarthy. Probably because I think he's a fantastic player. As for Baines, if he wasn't selling Fellaini I suspect he would have sold him. The two were connected (though not enough for our odd bidding strategy). Selling your two best players would be daft, if you don't absolutely need to.
Fellaini can't be a bad footballer, can he? He's not convinced me in his few appearances so far. I'm hoping it was fitness issues. He looked completely off pace. Even lazy. The again Phil, and Gibson looked world beaters at Everton. He does have a good CV as a footballer so I'm hoping professionals know how to recognise a footballer more than us fans.
He was the best player in his school team, and the star of Anderlecht's team. His form for Liege convinced Everton to spend £15m. He has been a regular at Everton since his transfer. He has 50 international caps for Belgium in a very strong squad.
Personally I still think he was a panic buy and not a United type player. More suited to the likes of Stoke, and West Ham. He'll be a squad player at best, and if Moyes gets his P45 he will be one of the first casualties to follow.
He was the best player in his school team, and the star of Anderlecht's team. His form for Liege convinced Everton to spend £15m. He has been a regular at Everton since his transfer. He has 50 international caps for Belgium in a very strong squad.
Personally I still think he was a panic buy and not a United type player. More suited to the likes of Stoke, and West Ham. He'll be a squad player at best, and if Moyes gets his P45 he will be one of the first casualties to follow.
I always got the impression at Everton he brought in players and then did well in tweaking the system to fit I.e. Arteta. He isn't like Martinez who has a system in mind he's more responsive.
I just don't think he knows how to come in and do that to an entire team already set up to play a certain way hence him being a bad fergie impression til now. Its going to take a technical mobile midfielder coming in before he attempts anything adventurous, he isn't going to try to change what's here.
I just don't think he knows how to come in and do that to an entire team already set up to play a certain way hence him being a bad fergie impression til now. Its going to take a technical mobile midfielder coming in before he attempts anything adventurous, he isn't going to try to change what's here.
We certainly could have done worse than taking McCarthy ourselves and leaving Martinez to deal with the problem of how to make Fellaini look like a footballer.
He's going to be one of those players, like Torres, for example, that's hard to shift as the fee we paid is so out of whack with what he's worth (and his contract that runs with it). The club aren't going to want to sell him for £12m odd, which is probably the sort of price teams would be willing to play.
Kind of begs the question how he gets any caps at all then. Aren't Defour and Dembele both very technical footballers? Like the whole Belgian squad really.
Carrying a washbag at all times should do it.
Thats exactly what he is. If we persist with this crossing tactic though we might as well stick him up behind Robin since he's here. He's far more likely to get on the end of the crosses than anyone else we have, so if it's a tactic we persist with he might represent the only chance of us having any relative 'success' with it.
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