Moyes So Far!

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Well we are getting a very different impression of the press conference this morning. The papers are describing it as terse and conducted on his way out of the room.

He has clearly lost it but it also shows that he cannot take criticism. He is right (to persist with a crossing game), he has the football intelligence and everyone else, pundits, press, fans is wrong. What a delusional and stupid man.

If we lose tonight, expect meltdown. Although I suspect the journos know he's on the edge and will go easy on him.
 
It was gently pointed out that his team were 21 points worse off than at this stage last season. "Well, I was at Everton so I wasn't 21 points worse off," he replied. "I was at Everton."
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Is Moyes trying to detach himself from the fact that we've regressed? Suggesting that he hasn't but the players here have?
 
Eto'odinho said:
He's cracked! For the life of me I just can't understand how fails to see anything wrong with the team's (in)ability to carry out his tactics. Fulham aren't bloody vampires and yet he sees nothing wrong with hammering 81 crosses at them.

The quotes about the right club and right manager are also a bit rich in light of what has transpired to date. I also find it unsettling how keeps flip flopping on his criticism of the squad from saying "we are mentally soft" to "everything is all right", well Dave have you sorted it out yet?

It would have been far better for him to use the presser to focus on the positives, which have been few and fast running out lately.
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You're surely not so naive that you think he's saying everything that is going on in his mind?

Also, oh look:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ews/stats-focus-dont-blame-manchester-6694913

I genuinely can't believe how many have you have completely written him off already and have turned on him to the point that you're over-analysing and criticising every little thing he says or does. You're far more embarrassing than any of our performances this season.
 
LR7 said:
Is Moyes trying to detach himself from the fact that we've regressed? Suggesting that he hasn't but the players here have?
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In his mind yes, but it doesn't make sense. He's here now and where he was last year are doing far better.
 
Rednails said:
If we lose tonight, expect meltdown. Although I suspect the journos know he's on the edge and will go easy on him.
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I hope not. If its the same dour bollocks again tonight then I hope the media tear him to pieces. The quicker he does a Keegan the quicker he's out the door.
 
One thing that hasn't changed throughout the season is that while I don't think he's right for us, I do like Moyes. But that comment about football intelligence has had me fuming. When you talk the press you also talk to us, the supporters. So stop insulting OUR intelligence.
 
He has this nack of referring to 'somebody' as "everybody."

"Some people might say Manchester United do this." "Some people say Manchester United do that." Who exactly is he talking about? It's all a bit strange. It's like he is constantly trying to justify his nonsense through some group of people who may or may not exist.

After reading further quotes, he's come across like a bit of child in that presser. He's not Ferguson and the worst thing he could have done was attempted to be him. More importantly, the worst thing the club could have done was look for somebody like him. There isn't one.

Let's hope he sets the team up right tonight and we get a win. But sadly, I can't help but think that a win tonight would still be in dour, one-dimensional fashion, which will always leave a sour taste.
 
walsh said:
You're surely not so naive that you think he's saying everything that is going on in his mind?

Also, oh look:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ews/stats-focus-dont-blame-manchester-6694913

I genuinely can't believe how many have you have completely written him off already and have turned on him to the point that you're over-analysing and criticising every little thing he says or does. You're far more embarrassing than any of our performances this season.
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That MEN article is interesting because it makes a couple of games stand out. Fulham invited us to attack by using high crosses because that was where they were strongest and we obliged. Next highest rate was against Spurs, who have mostly tall defenders and tall midfielders. Did they make the same invitation?

I don't like seeing managers (or players for that matter) having every word, gesture, or even every tweet overanalysed. It bothers me when people complain about Moyes celebrating a goal - football's an emotional game, so what if the emotion when placed in some bigger context beyond that instant seems greater than you'd expect.

It's obvious he's under pressure. It's obvious he's frustrated and it's obvious he can't say exactly what he thinks.

The trouble is we aren't seeing progress on the pitch. We can't see a masterplan being evolved that the players are struggling to learn. So it would be nice to hear something that suggests there really is something more going on behind the scenes in a footballing sense than Moyes (or a sidekick) talking about shipping out half his squad.
 
jojojo said:
That MEN article is interesting because it makes a couple of games stand out. Fulham invited us to attack by using high crosses because that was where they were strongest and we obliged. Next highest rate was against Spurs, who have mostly tall defenders and tall midfielders. Did they make the same invitation?

I don't like seeing managers (or players for that matter) having every word, gesture, or even every tweet overanalysed. It bothers me when people complain about Moyes celebrating a goal - football's an emotional game, so what if the emotion when placed in some bigger context beyond that instant seems greater than you'd expect.

It's obvious he's under pressure. It's obvious he's frustrated and it's obvious he can't say exactly what he thinks.

The trouble is we aren't seeing progress on the pitch. We can't see a masterplan being evolved that the players are struggling to learn. So it would be nice to hear something that suggests there really is something more going on behind the scenes in a footballing sense than Moyes (or a sidekick) talking about shipping out half his squad.
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I completely agree on all fronts. I might be willing to have patience with him but it doesn't mean I'm not suffering through the current predicament like everyone else. It just means I hope we improve as a whole, rather than putting all of the blame on one bloke who's succeeded a manager who's impossible to follow.
 
walsh said:
Comments like this really do make me chuckle. Do some of you actually think Moyes might actually be sacked in anything like the short term? :lol:
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Yes. Why are you acting like an Oracle who knows the future though?
 
Revan said:
Yes. Why are you acting like an Oracle who knows the future though?
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I'm not an oracle, I just use reason and logic and try to avoid hysteria as much as possible. Six year contract, sacked after six months when the man who hand picked him and is unconditionally trusted by the club is still heavily involved? Ridiculous.
 
walsh said:
I'm not an oracle, I just use reason and logic and try to avoid hysteria as much as possible. Six year contract, sacked after six months when the man who hand picked him and is unconditionally trusted by the club is still heavily involved? Ridiculous.
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Six years contract but also the worst spell a manager has had on a top club in more than a decade. I think that he eventually get sacked during (or in the end) of next season but if things become even worse (like I totally expect) I think that he may be sacked in the summer too (chances not big but still it is a possibility).

Fergie is not the owner of the club and if Glazers decide that the losses are big then he'll get the sack regardless of what SAF thinks.
 
jojojo said:
It bothers me when people complain about Moyes celebrating a goal - football's an emotional game, so what if the emotion when placed in some bigger context beyond that instant seems greater than you'd expect..
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Sadly that celebration was emblematic of how far we have fallen under Moyes. I don't know how it could be interpreted as anything else.
 
walsh said:
I'm not an oracle, I just use reason and logic and try to avoid hysteria as much as possible. Six year contract, sacked after six months when the man who hand picked him and is unconditionally trusted by the club is still heavily involved? Ridiculous.
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Reason and Logic - how about the depreciation of an asset that our owners use a cash cow?

All this talk of Moyes was given a 6 year contract, SAF blah blah blah. Our owners know one set of "reason and logic" - and it ain't football.
 
Said this before and it's still true now, the over-analyzing of everything he says in press-conferences is tiresome.

He won't be sacked this summer no matter where we finish. The people hoping we get smashed by our rivals just so he could be sacked are a fecking disgrace.
 
Why can't he say that we have been poor and need to improve our performances rather than bullshit that we have been good but unlucky?
 
LonelyFire said:
Reason and Logic - how about the depreciation of an asset that our owners use a cash cow?

All this talk of Moyes was given a 6 year contract, SAF blah blah blah. Our owners know one set of "reason and logic" - and it ain't football.
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And yet they allowed Sir Alex to literally hand select the man that would take charge of their titanic, billion dollar 'cash cow'. They also didn't need to give Moyes such a long contract if they weren't sure that they were going to trust him and stick with him during the long term. Sure, if we're in this same situation next season or the season after then more doubts will arise, but to suggest he's under any pressure in terms of his employment already is just really naive in my opinion.
 
Sarni said:
Why can't he say that we have been poor and need to improve our performances rather than bullshit that we have been good but unlucky?
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But he has said that, plenty of times. This 'luck' thing isn't just something he's concocted in his brain, it does have an element of truth to it. By sticking to that line, he's showing faith that these players and this coaching staff are more than good enough to improve and is saying to the fans that it's just a matter of time. Do you really want him to slate the team after every poor performance? That would get us absolutely nowhere. SAF was an absolute gem for using, what appeared to be, tenuous excuses.
 
akash02 said:
Said this before and it's still true now, the over-analyzing of everything he says in press-conferences is tiresome.
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The odd comment throughout the season isn't an issue (Though he has been Hodgsonesque, I'm afraid). But this is the third time in ten days he's basically saying the way we are playing - all those crosses - is fine. Hardly a shock then we moved from 33 against Stoke to 80 against Fulham...
 
walsh said:
But he has said that, plenty of times. This 'luck' thing isn't just something he's concocted in his brain, it does have an element of truth to it. By sticking to that line, he's showing faith that these players and this coaching staff are more than good enough to improve and is saying to the fans that it's just a matter of time. Do you really want him to slate the team after every poor performance? That would get us absolutely nowhere. SAF was an absolute gem for using, what appeared to be, tenuous excuses.
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Nope. Slating himself and admitting responsibility on the other hand...

At the moment he is giving the perception that he hasn't done nothing wrong so far and the players, luck, media, referees, injuries etc have all made a pact with devil in order to don't let him succeed here.
 
If he criticized the team and himself after every poor performance you can bet there would be people still having a go at him for doing just that.
 
walsh said:
And yet they allowed Sir Alex to literally hand select the man that would take charge of their titanic, billion dollar 'cash cow'. They also didn't need to give Moyes such a long contract if they weren't sure that they were going to trust him and stick with him during the long term. Sure, if we're in this same situation next season or the season after then more doubts will arise, but to suggest he's under any pressure in terms of his employment already is just really naive in my opinion.
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Naive? We're out of the FA Cup, The Capital One Cup and the race for the title and 4th place in February. Might I add that we're also playing terrible football from the very beginning of his reign.

There's simply not enough positives to take from anything this season, to suggest that he isn't under pressure. You only have to look at recent shots of SAF and Bobby in the stands, they weren't expecting it to get this bad.
 
Revan said:
Nope. Slating himself and admitting responsibility on the other hand...

At the moment he is giving the perception that he hasn't done nothing wrong so far and the players, luck, media, referees, injuries etc have all made a pact with devil in order to don't let him succeed here.
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Slating himself? Are you serious? On what planet would any manager come out and admit all of his faults after a poor game? You sound like you think the players are blameless in this or that Moyes doesn't realise we have serious issues. They work day in and day out, analysing performances and opposition, what we see in matches and in press conferences is just a fraction of what actually goes into the process. Obviously, the end results are good enough at the moment but the staff and players will be well aware of what's going wrong. As much as some people on here would like to think so, they aren't more knowledgeable or observant than a seasoned veteran manager and hugely decorated players.
 
Amir said:
The odd comment throughout the season isn't an issue (Though he has been Hodgsonesque, I'm afraid). But this is the third time in ten days he's basically saying the way we are playing - all those crosses - is fine. Hardly a shock then we moved from 33 against Stoke to 80 against Fulham...
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It works though, we did take a lead against Fulham!
 
Shark22 said:
Naive? We're out of the FA Cup, The Capital One Cup and the race for the title and 4th place in February. Might I add that we're also playing terrible football from the very beginning of his reign.

There's simply not enough positives to take from anything this season, to suggest that he isn't under pressure. You only have to look at recent shots of SAF and Bobby in the stands, they weren't expecting it to get this bad.
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You mean them reacting like people who support the team and look disappointed when we concede or don't win? Wow, that shows that they're really on his back. I'll be more worried when their expressions turn to detachment and disdain.

Also, we haven't won the FA Cup since 2004 and we're not completely out of the race for fourth, just for some slight perspective.
 
Rednails said:
he has the football intelligence and everyone else, pundits, press, fans is wrong.
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He may well be wrong but the critics you've listed ('pundits, press, fans') are a laughing stock themselves these days; why else would just about everyone routinely moan how bad/biased/reactionary/thick they are? Custis, Savage, Verheijen, Ashton, Stanger, Merson, Barclay, Wright, Crooks etc etc...dunno about you people, but I'd take Moyes' opinions over that lot any day.
 
Honestly never really cared for what managers say to the press but did find the comment "I was at Everton" ridiculous and sign of shirking responsibility which isn't something I would equate with Moyes.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Honestly never really cared for what managers say to the press but did find the comment "I was at Everton" ridiculous and sign of shirking responsibility which isn't something I would equate with Moyes.
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Did he actually say that though, I can't find it online and I refuse to believe he would say something so bizarre.
 
Getsme said:
Did he actually say that though, I can't find it online and I refuse to believe he would say something so bizarre.
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All the major newspapers are directly quoting him saying "Well, I was at Everton, so I wasn't 21 points worse off". How can you say that with a straight face!
 
Getsme said:
Did he actually say that though, I can't find it online and I refuse to believe he would say something so bizarre.
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-6696917

Moyes was then asked if he could explain why they’re 21 points worse off now than at this stage last season but with virtually the same group of players.

“Well I was at Everton so I wasn’t 21 points worse off. I was at Everton.”

But Manchester United are 21 points worse off now than they were at this stage last season?

“Yeah that’s right. The improvement in the teams in the Premier League has been big, there have been a lot of improvements from sides in the Premier League and obviously we’ve not done as well as we did last year.

I think there are certain different reasons for it, I don’t think there’s any particular one, I think there’s a combination of different things - the change of manager being one of them. But lots of other things as well.”
 
walsh said:
Slating himself? Are you serious? On what planet would any manager come out and admit all of his faults after a poor game? You sound like you think the players are blameless in this or that Moyes doesn't realise we have serious issues. They work day in and day out, analysing performances and opposition, what we see in matches and in press conferences is just a fraction of what actually goes into the process. Obviously, the end results are good enough at the moment but the staff and players will be well aware of what's going wrong. As much as some people on here would like to think so, they aren't more knowledgeable or observant than a seasoned veteran manager and hugely decorated players.
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On the planet where the manager is doing a bad job. He is blaming everything (including the players) except himself for our results and performances. If there are really problems on the dressing room it won't make it better if he blames the players and distances himself from our results ('I was at Everton').

Also, I just don't see why he is trying to go in a war with media when they have treated him so well this far (just compare it to AVB who wasn't this bad). They'll turn on him now and Moyes will have another problem to deal with.
 
His "I was at Everton" line is clearly his way of saying how it's the players that have under performed. In conjunction with his spiel about how "fantastic" the players have been, how he felt "lucky to have taken over the Champions and the players have been fantastic" leads me to believe he's had enough of them. I don't think he believes they've been fantastic at all, and he'd be right.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
All the major newspapers are directly quoting him saying "Well, I was at Everton, so I wasn't 21 points worse off". How can you say that with a straight face!
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Yeah, well, in the rush to write their 'Moyes gets tetchy' pieces, they forgot to mention what a snide bunch of twats they are, funnily enough. Snide twats who ask deliberately provocative questions in the hope of a flounce from managers. Note that the Guardian's piece on this 'meltdown' isn't open to readers' comments - quelle surprise.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
All the major newspapers are directly quoting him saying "Well, I was at Everton, so I wasn't 21 points worse off". How can you say that with a straight face!
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jojojo said:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-6696917

Moyes was then asked if he could explain why they’re 21 points worse off now than at this stage last season but with virtually the same group of players.

“Well I was at Everton so I wasn’t 21 points worse off. I was at Everton.”

But Manchester United are 21 points worse off now than they were at this stage last season?

“Yeah that’s right. The improvement in the teams in the Premier League has been big, there have been a lot of improvements from sides in the Premier League and obviously we’ve not done as well as we did last year.

I think there are certain different reasons for it, I don’t think there’s any particular one, I think there’s a combination of different things - the change of manager being one of them. But lots of other things as well.”
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