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Moyes So Far!
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Who is 'everyone'? This mysterious entity that appears to Moyes in the dead of night telling him we played well has to be unmasked. Its really decieving him.
right now, we are 18 points behind chelsea. on the 11th of Feb last year, we were 16 points ahead of them. since then, we have signed £76million quids worth of players.
i hope Woodward, Fergie and Charlton read that and read it over and over again and get this man out of our club. 34 f*cking points swing in 12 months.
i hope Woodward, Fergie and Charlton read that and read it over and over again and get this man out of our club. 34 f*cking points swing in 12 months.
Probably Liverpool fans, 'that was craching football Dave, you've just been unluchy!'
It ain't that black and white to those in charge, if it was he'd be long gone.
And yet people still think that he should be given another year.
It is very worrying that he sees those stats as a positive and a sign of bad luck. All I have heard since the weekend is mocking of our awful style. Even the Moyes friendly journalists are starting to call him out on his God awful tactics.
16 points Chelsea have just conceeded and look like losing. #Mourinhoout
we lose tomorrow night, theres a massive chance we will be 8th place when we visit Palace...a team in much better form than us.
Crap. Liverpool are only six points behind can you imagine if the Scouse actually win the title? The Scouse first, City second. Us not even in the Champions League. Oh my days I think I'm actually gonna be sick.
Palace could easily take points off us. I'd probably put my money on a draw to be honest.
I'd say given their recent form Palace ought to be favourites going into the weekend's game. They've been very good lately and have the personnel to nullify our threat.
Tony Pulis is their manager, if all we're gonna do is cross the ball like we have all season then he'll be licking his lips.
Well yea but six points is unassailable according to our little scousers, and we could still put a spanner in the works yet.
Edit: It's 7 points scousers will have written that off as impossible.
Chelsea got away with a point tonight by all accounts finished 1-1 but West Brom finished much the stronger, Chelsea only had 60% possession and managed only 15 crosses pffft who are ya.
Things are really grim right now. The Fulham game seems to have been a turning point for some reason, a lot of my United supporting friends seem to have suddenly accepted that Moyes isn't just underperforming but is actually getting worse.
They're not calling for him to be sacked just yet but they all seem to accept that there's slim chance of him turning things around. They really weren't saying that even a couple of games ago.
I'm guessing it's because of how one dimensional we were? It must have crystalised the idea that Moyes is leading us in the wrong direction in everyone's mind.
They're not calling for him to be sacked just yet but they all seem to accept that there's slim chance of him turning things around. They really weren't saying that even a couple of games ago.
I'm guessing it's because of how one dimensional we were? It must have crystalised the idea that Moyes is leading us in the wrong direction in everyone's mind.
I still wouldn't sack him this season, mainly down to lack of a better option. I'm trusting the board now at this stage to sit him down in May and cut through the bullshit. No blaming luck, why did it go so fecking badly? We're obviously going to persist with him next season, if he fails to bring football and results, we've had neither thus far, by December then he's gone.
I think this summer will either make him or break him. If we sign a few decent players but still play bad then I think he'll be sacked by december but if we have a good summer and get the results then obviously he will stay.
What would be awful is the middle ground. He signs some fantastic players, plugs them into this terrible system and achieves just enough to prevent him losing his job. Essentially squeeking into the top 4 next season, buying him yet more time while still playing rubbish football. The results, and even the performances would be manageable if he didn't keep spouting this nonsense about us having played well...
I've just watched the Chelsea game to get a view on how Mourinho set's that 4-2-3-1 system up that we so covet and I mentioned this earlier in the thread but he has two box to box technical players sitting in his two(Matic,Ramirez). He then favours Willian who is one of the most hard working players I have witnessed, the lads got a huge engine, on the other side is Hazard who despite any preconceptions has an incredible work rate, he then has the luxury of Oscar in the hole who is at times sublime ala Juan Mata. It didn't really work tonight for Mourinho against a wall of West Brom players and in some way I was drawn to thinking he needed more width, West Brom got exposed a couple of times with Hazard and Eto breaking down the left flank but all in all the contained very well.
Bringing me to my actual point and one I have already tried to make, how do we set this system up to work with our pick of CM's ?
Cleverley, Carrick, Fellaini, Giggs ?, Rooney.
Edit: Add jonesy in the list I think he is available.
I have put Rooney in as he's more than capable and has played in there more than enough, so what pairing is mobile enough and also gifted and brave enough to sit reading the game from behind the front 3 and who do we trust to be in position when disaster strikes, Chelsea have Ramirez who is incredibly quick, they also have Mickel who although not as good on the ball as Matic he does cover a lot of ground, they now as we know also have Matic who looks like an utter steal at the price and is quick,strong and good on the ball.
I have this terrible fear that should we set up a similar system we just won't have the pace and mobility and sadly the technical ability to keep the ball and on losing it, win it back quickly. The system relies on pressing and with a midfield pairing of Carrick and say Fellaini/Giggs we can forget that also should we pair up Carrick--Cleverley would anyone trust it ? Who does trust Cleverley in a two ? So we are left with Carrick --- Rooney or even Fellaini --- Rooney but the key here is Rooney's a CF and should he have talked with Moyes about a deeper role then he will need to learn it. Truth is we just don't have the staff to play the system or if we do then it's hugely risky and we have David Moyes calling the shots. We will also have Januzaj, Mata, Kagawa forward of that rear pairing all of which are not renowned defensively, It's basically a huge mess all pointing back to four four fucking two, until such time as we bring in at least one but preferably two very mobile CM's who can hold in front of the back four.
Writing this post has actually given me some sympathy for Moyes position but all this crossing nonsense has to stop regardless of formation, you can still play football with feet whilst set up in any formation and while springing crosses in against a back 10 might be your best course of action, if it isn't working after a half of football then it's time to surprise your opponent with an attack on the floor.
Bringing me to my actual point and one I have already tried to make, how do we set this system up to work with our pick of CM's ?
Cleverley, Carrick, Fellaini, Giggs ?, Rooney.
Edit: Add jonesy in the list I think he is available.
I have put Rooney in as he's more than capable and has played in there more than enough, so what pairing is mobile enough and also gifted and brave enough to sit reading the game from behind the front 3 and who do we trust to be in position when disaster strikes, Chelsea have Ramirez who is incredibly quick, they also have Mickel who although not as good on the ball as Matic he does cover a lot of ground, they now as we know also have Matic who looks like an utter steal at the price and is quick,strong and good on the ball.
I have this terrible fear that should we set up a similar system we just won't have the pace and mobility and sadly the technical ability to keep the ball and on losing it, win it back quickly. The system relies on pressing and with a midfield pairing of Carrick and say Fellaini/Giggs we can forget that also should we pair up Carrick--Cleverley would anyone trust it ? Who does trust Cleverley in a two ? So we are left with Carrick --- Rooney or even Fellaini --- Rooney but the key here is Rooney's a CF and should he have talked with Moyes about a deeper role then he will need to learn it. Truth is we just don't have the staff to play the system or if we do then it's hugely risky and we have David Moyes calling the shots. We will also have Januzaj, Mata, Kagawa forward of that rear pairing all of which are not renowned defensively, It's basically a huge mess all pointing back to four four fucking two, until such time as we bring in at least one but preferably two very mobile CM's who can hold in front of the back four.
Writing this post has actually given me some sympathy for Moyes position but all this crossing nonsense has to stop regardless of formation, you can still play football with feet whilst set up in any formation and while springing crosses in against a back 10 might be your best course of action, if it isn't working after a half of football then it's time to surprise your opponent with an attack on the floor.
If he had the balls to stick Rooney on the left of a front 3 then we could go with the only system that can support our limited options.
Kagawa with Jones/Cleverley/Fletch in front of Carrick.
If he'd be brave enough to try a midfield 3 just once I think fans would be more understandibg
Kagawa with Jones/Cleverley/Fletch in front of Carrick.
If he'd be brave enough to try a midfield 3 just once I think fans would be more understandibg
I agree. I'd give him till the end of the season just to show what he can do with a team at his disposal. It's not a bad team that he has (I'm of the belief we would win the league with Fergie still in charge). All he has to do is show some positivity and make us all believe he has some kind of a vision for next year beyond just signing new players.
Moyes just does not have Ferguson's imagination or intelligence. While Fergie is sitting at home reading US Civil War history, Moyes is busy gleaning ideas from Dave Bassett's tactical manual.
Stalin was a voracious reader of books about military campaigns but, if it wasn't for his generals in WWII, he'd have been hiding in an attic in Aldershot.
What's the definition of insanity again?
He'd have made a fine football manager though, he knew a lot about US Civil War History, and that's all it takes.
Sadly that settles it for me. Moyes out.
He should never have been hired. Sir Alex, instead of unilaterally deciding, should have consulted with his coaches, whom he consulted with regarding all things Manchester United, as to whom they thought was the best fit for the job. The decision should have been made as a team by the people on the ground instead of solely by Sir Alex and presumably Sir Bobby.
So, a line from an interview by him settles that he should get sacked?
Looks like a small meltdown.
I'm happy with that to be honest. I want Moyes to come across as bullish, I want him to stick two fingers up to the press. He's lacked bollocks for me, thus far. I want him to tell everyone to get fecked! That's more like it.
Constantly posting Einstein's famous quote.
No, it is a culmination of things. I'd post it but it a) be too long for anyone to read so no one will care and b) no one will care anyway so I'll stick to my 2 lines and get on with my life.
Agreed, although he has come out with these same, plastic words that we'd rather not hear.
I don't want him to come out and run down the players, but he could at least give an impression that they're not all on a free pass.
Media have treated him gently and with these results I am not sure that it is the best way to go. You can do that to media bu you also have to get results in order to look good on that (Mourinho, SAF). Until now the media has barely criticized Moyes and I don't think that the best way to go is for him to fight them.
Is there a video of that? It reads like he is on the verge of cracking up entirely but writers can spin to their liking. I'd like to see the video to judge for myself.
I respect your opinion but he hardly seems bullish. He reads as if he is a man who is being forced out of denial very slowly.
Moyes has lacked charisma, and he's lacked the demeanor of a man in control. I like that he's essentially told the media to get fecked in that press conference. I want that bit of an oomph from him, if you know what I mean. Seeing as we're persisting with him it's something he'll have to grow into, as well as many other different things.
Not sure if this the exact one but it's well worth a facepalm anyway.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-as-manchester-united-prepare-to-face-arsenal
Reads that way alright....But unless we can visually see it, it's hard to know
I'm not reading it as a meltdown, I'm reading it as him telling the media to do one.
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