He's been like that with the press before but now they're making more of a fuss about it.
Moyes So Far!
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Not giving emphasis on Youth
Dour defensive football
Classless in Interviews
Won't stay for long
Not long term oriented
Those are the reasons people gave when they say they don't want Mourinho, guess what... we're all that now with Moyes
Dour defensive football
Classless in Interviews
Won't stay for long
Not long term oriented
Those are the reasons people gave when they say they don't want Mourinho, guess what... we're all that now with Moyes
I'm no fan of Moyes, but it strikes me that you're moulding those comments to fit your argument. I'd say he's given youth a fair shake - look at the playing time given to Jones, Smalling, Welbeck and Januzaj; if anything, we haven't been defensive enough (at least the quality of our defending has been awful
he's hardly been classless in interviews. Bland and evasive? Sure, but hardly classless; his not staying for long won't be because of any fickleness on his part (the worry with Mourinho), it'll be because he gets fired due to poor results.I'd much rather have Mourinho, as I'm sure you would too. Why not just say that, rather than crafting weird theories that aren't grounded in reality?
I'm no fan of Moyes, but it strikes me that you're moulding those comments to fit your argument. I'd say he's given youth a fair shake - look at the playing time given to Jones, Smalling, Welbeck and Januzaj; if anything, we haven't been defensive enough (at least the quality of our defending has been awful
I'd much rather have Mourinho, as I'm sure you would too. Why not just say that, rather than crafting weird theories that aren't grounded in reality?
I wouldnt say jones, smailing, welbeck are youngster.. They feature in our biggest match against madrid.
Not so close perhaps, but it seems that all the things we hate about mourinho back then are transferred to moyes.
Regarding adnan, he's ready the day moyes took over, it's not like he is the one moulding him, and with his quality and his competitions (young, valencia) it's not a great feat any manager worth his salt would have played him.
We credited him too much regarding januzaj
Could be it to...Very hard to know without reading someone's body language.
In that interview, he comes across as a bit moody and petulant.
He sounds like Holloway before he got the boot from Palace.
This shit's making me depressed.
He sounds like Holloway before he got the boot from Palace.
This shit's making me depressed.
Jesus wept. The footballing intelligence remark made me laugh. His arrogance and stubbornness is irritating, as there's nothing to back it up.
I like the attitude, I don't like his comments. He's at least got 50% of it right though! He's hardly going to come out and say "I screwed up". I just hope behind closed doors he's realising that he's making us very easy to play against... this Arsenal game is huge for both teams. Looking forward to it!
I'm so tired of David Moyes. He doesn't exude an iota of confidence, just a dour, gritty, hard work ethic. He's on a WUM surely if he's accusing others of not having enough football intelligence to understand his tactics. What's to understand about 81 crosses in a single match?
Christ, show some swagger, show some ideas. Do something other than bemoan your luck and talk shit about your squad.
Christ, show some swagger, show some ideas. Do something other than bemoan your luck and talk shit about your squad.
I'm not one to analyse quotes and body language etc. to the nth degree but what kind of response is that.
Is he really saying that his barometer is Everton of last season.
We can all learn from Moyes. Use these excuses at work during evaluation time!
You to Boss: I have shitty luck and crappy colleagues. Thus the poor performance.
Lets see how far that gets us!
He's cracked! For the life of me I just can't understand how fails to see anything wrong with the team's (in)ability to carry out his tactics. Fulham aren't bloody vampires and yet he sees nothing wrong with hammering 81 crosses at them.
The quotes about the right club and right manager are also a bit rich in light of what has transpired to date. I also find it unsettling how keeps flip flopping on his criticism of the squad from saying "we are mentally soft" to "everything is all right", well Dave have you sorted it out yet?
It would have been far better for him to use the presser to focus on the positives, which have been few and fast running out lately.
The quotes about the right club and right manager are also a bit rich in light of what has transpired to date. I also find it unsettling how keeps flip flopping on his criticism of the squad from saying "we are mentally soft" to "everything is all right", well Dave have you sorted it out yet?
It would have been far better for him to use the presser to focus on the positives, which have been few and fast running out lately.
I just can't believe he thinks we played well. We were always going to dominate the game the way Fulham were set up. The thing is there was just no excuse for us beating them by 3 or 4 goals, as Liverpool will show us tonight. They really are a terrible, terrible team and we fecking Drew against them at home.
Did he really say that though, it's an odd thing to say if he did.I'm not one to analyse quotes and body language etc. to the nth degree but what kind of response is that.
Is he really saying that his barometer is Everton of last season.
The man does not have bad intentions of course but at the end of the day he is incredibly out of his depth and it shows. After tonight the pressure will intensify further unless he can pull a win out of the bag.
Just read the interview. It's pretty obvious he's cracking up. I think his time here is not long
Is there a video to this?
He really does believe we're playing well and the tactics are great. I dont know whether that's depressing or hilarious.
Need footballing intelligence to understand his tactics. Jesus wept
He really does believe we're playing well and the tactics are great. I dont know whether that's depressing or hilarious.
Need footballing intelligence to understand his tactics. Jesus wept
I'm not one to analyse quotes and body language etc. to the nth degree but what kind of response is that.
Is he really saying that his barometer is Everton of last season.
Everton were a good team last year. No shame in matching their points tally.
Yeah, that press conference looks like a bit of a meltdown. Davey's cracking up?
If we lose today...especially quite convincingly...I want a different response from Moyes after. Forget luck, chances etc....change the tune and start getting real.
Oh my he's uncomfortable. Not suprising really considering...but everything about him suggests a guy in a certain amount of turmoil.
Is there a video to this?
He really does believe we're playing well and the tactics are great. I dont know whether that's depressing or hilarious.
Need footballing intelligence to understand his tactics. Jesus wept
Sky have video (link). He genuinely looks like he thinks we played well...
...its strange.
And he keeps talking about 'luck'. Barcelona dont win games because they are lucky, Bayern Munich don't win games because they are lucky. They win games because they outplay the opposition. He needs to change things. He can't keep relying on chucking it into the box and hoping the ball will bounce to one of our players (something that's highly unlikely given he doesn't want the centre midfielders to get forward to contest the second ball).
Of course he won't do that. We are away to Arsenal, by his book 2-0 loss will be a good result for which he could praise the lads and, above all, himself.
There is no glory in losing
We accept loses at times, and understand that other teams are simply better (barcelona in the CL final) or it's just a bad day at office, but to claim a lost is a good result for a team like United, that is just a wrong mindset, that's a mindset of a loser.
If SAF have that mindset, he'll be happy with Scottish League and probably pat himself at the back and thinks that it's ok if he lost against Madrid. No, he took them all the way.
It cant be the same conference if the guardian article is correct. Nothing in that article happens in this link posted.
But yeah, he does believe it was all due to bad luck and that we played well and created lots of chances. I struggle to see how he came to that conclusion though. Both our goals were lucky, a mis hit and a deflection. Well, he sees what he wants to see I suppose.
Poor guy. I feel sorry for him as he is a good guy and one of the games decent men.Is he programmed to repeat the same things over and over?
"Pleased with the performance and on another day we would have come away with the win"
"Erm David, you won the Arsenal game earlier in the season"
"Oh...I thought you were talking about the other game........"
I think that Moyes is trying to intimidate the media a little as they have started to turn on him. He seems irked that they are starting to dare to question his tactics.
What can you make of it all? It is most worrying that Moyes sees our woes being mostly down to luck and that the way the team is setup is sound!
What can you say at this point? Things just go from bad to worse. Strangely though I still feel that we can win tonight but I always think that we can win before every game, kind of that the players will start to show their true capabilities.
What can you make of it all? It is most worrying that Moyes sees our woes being mostly down to luck and that the way the team is setup is sound!
What can you say at this point? Things just go from bad to worse. Strangely though I still feel that we can win tonight but I always think that we can win before every game, kind of that the players will start to show their true capabilities.
F**k it lad.
I'm heading down the pub, having a few pints and a bit of craic and watching Manchester United. I'm going to enjoy it. I'm not been cast under David Moyes' spell! Shag that!
Try do the same
(I'll probably be severely drunk when I get home so I'll explode on here if we lose)You're generally right, but these a couple of points that make a difference.
The chelsea set up is based on counter attack. Even against weaker teams they allow them to attack, they lure them out of their defence. Why does mour do this?
This is the reason he sold mata...or that mata didnt fit in with his style...and its a new style at that, very different to the 05 mourinho. The 4231 formation came about as a result of teams resort to 451 against the standard 442. The deeper, more technical 'CAM' helped against the deep midfield in 451.
As the 4231 doesnt employ standard wingers, teams are able to press high up the field, in fact they need to. What mour is doing is trying to nullify the high press by having the entire team sit deep (er) and counter with as much pace as possible. To do this you need two cm's with massive engines and are more traditional box to box-as this was the same need in the old 442 days as the strikers were busy stretching the defence.
Anyway, my point...it may be working for mourinho this year, but it isnt necessarily the 'way' to use 4231. If im honest, id say the 'best' use of the 4231 this year is actually arsenals (before injurys struck).
Almost completely different to chelsea, they use an incredibly fluid middle 3, they use the passes in replace of pace, without pandering to the arse its actually a very similar system to barca of couple years ago. Around the ball, wherever it is you have 4 players, 3 will provide the 'triangle' of passes, the fourth will move and make space to disrupt the opposition. Look at giroud, one second he will be on left wing, next on right wing, next in center, he doesnt lead the line, hes part of the same system that has passed its way down the field.
This is slightly more what our players should be able to do, however, at the moment the likes of carrick/cleverley/fellaini do not have the composure on the ball to do it. The role carrick playes comes from our older 433 style where he would be a sweeper of the midfield and fletch would be the worker.
Ironically, if you were to argue which is the best system to beat the arsenal passing/possession one, what would it be?
The mourinho one..
Sorry for the long post that didn't actually end up saying anything interesting. Oh well
Personally I think Moyes is probably aware that the tactics, or at least the lack of variation of tactics, is a problem. I just feel he is desperate for the summer to totally rebuild the side. I might be wrong...but I just get the feeling he's itching to get started. The problem for him...is that he knows full well it will be a bit easier if we can offer CL football, and that is starting to look rather bleak, and this seems to be reflected in his behaviour in that last press conference. He's learning though, you can't hide as a manager at United. It's a huge club with a massive fanbase, you can't hide or disappear, you are always answerable and the press will always have huge interest. He has to learn big time how to deal with that.
We should not be copying Chelsea, we can't because we lack the pace in our attack. Its City we should be copying with Mata, Januzaj, Rooney and Van Persie taking the roles of Silva, Nasri, Aguero and Negredo.
Contrary to common belief, and indeed as exposed by Mourinho, Yaya Toure does not spend all his time running up and down the field. He picks his moments to get forward to support attacks, which is why some people say he's lazy, he's no Robson, Ince or Keane. We don't need as much high energy as a Mourinho team because our style, with the front four we have, should be set up to dominate games not for counters. If one of our centre midfielders just got forward more we could make it work.
He's deluded, completely out of his league.
Shit effort, he's trying to 'Fergie' the media but only looks more delusional and out of his depth.
Needs to be put out of his misery so we can forget all this mess and move on.
Needs to be put out of his misery so we can forget all this mess and move on.
Its a one track view to blame the media. I was at OT on Sunday and I watched the game completely irritated with the clueless continuous crossing and I hadn't even heard any media reaction at this point. Even when we scored what seemed like the winner - of course I celebrated like everyone else - but one of the first things I said was that it would only paper over the cracks of what was a truly awful performance. Moyes seems to think people only think the performance was shit because the media tells them so. It's fecking concerning that he genuinely thinks we performed well and we are doing the right things. It's worrying that he sees nothing that we should change we just have to keep plugging away doing the same thing and hope for a bit of luck. That's all were missing in his mind luck. For me that's the most worrying thing of all.
Yeah, it is highly concerning. I posted a very sarcastic comment in this thread after about 30 mins of the game on Sunday saying that at least we will have the small victory of breaking the Premier League crossing record. I was incredulous watching that game. I could not believe what I was seeing, it was like a parody of the tactical naivety of David Moyes, only it wasn't a parody, it was what Moyes wanted, what he thinks is best!!
Moyes may use the defence that us mere mortals do not understand his complex and sexy tactics but Rene and his defence sure do, what do they make of it? 'Predictable conference style football'.
Who is Moyes trying to kid?
Himself
It really is a shame Fergie hired this fellow in this day and age to manage such a giant club. What a stupid decision.
If he was trying to kid anyone it would mean deep down he knows it was a shit performance with shit tactics. It's his unwavering belief in what we're doing that worries me most. Also the fact that he thinks that because his shit tactics aren't working it means the players aren't good enough rather than that his tactics aren't good enough. It doesn't surprise me that Moyes had to push Fellaini up top at Everton. He was never changing his tactics so in order to make it work he needed a big man up there to get on the end of the crosses and long balls.
To be honest, hes had an easy ride from the press and they would have cranked the pressure up far sooner had it been a foreign manager. Hes getting rightfully questioned now and he's acting like a child in his responses.
The team performances are his responsibility and if he genuinely thinks what we are producing is "playing well" then i think fans have every right to question whether he is the right man for the job. I have never seen a Man Utd manager play more one dimensionally than what we did on Sunday.
I suspect we will see more of the same shit again tonight. The guy just isn't cut out for this job and i suspect we are seeing the first signs of the impact its having on Moyes personally.
Ill stick to my prediction of one significant beating away from the boot. When i say significant, i mean City or Pool putting 4 past us at OT.
The team performances are his responsibility and if he genuinely thinks what we are producing is "playing well" then i think fans have every right to question whether he is the right man for the job. I have never seen a Man Utd manager play more one dimensionally than what we did on Sunday.
I suspect we will see more of the same shit again tonight. The guy just isn't cut out for this job and i suspect we are seeing the first signs of the impact its having on Moyes personally.
Ill stick to my prediction of one significant beating away from the boot. When i say significant, i mean City or Pool putting 4 past us at OT.
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