Moyes So Far!

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Cheesy said:
Perhaps, I hope you're correct. Has to be remembered though that Charlton is very influential too though - disgruntling Fergie and causing him to resign would be bad enough, but they may be hesitant about alienating themselves from two club legends. It's difficult to tell though, since Fergie himself may end up realising how awful Moyes has been, suck up his pride, and agree that replacing him with someone more suitable is the only option.
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They have also around 150 years combined though, and likely some persons with fresh ideas can bring some things back to normal. I also don't believe for any moment that after all those years they will decide to go in war with the owners, a war that they can't have any hope to win. They'll get their honorary chairman awards and go to VIP stand to watch the team. But I don't get why they should hold power any longer. Sir Mat's retirement was supposed to teach us some things. Apparently not.

I can't see in any way Moyes surviving more than in the summer of 2015. The problem is that by that time (IMO) it will be too late and then we will go into a process or getting back to the top for few years and maybe - just maybe - fourth place will really feel like a trophy.
 
So we've now had Rio (Twice), Anderson, Hernandez, RVP and Zaha make some (not so) subtile digs about Moyes. Has there ever been such a clear and obvious case of a manager losing the dressing room? Especially at a top club? I don't even remember the Chelsea and AVB situation becoming this bad.

Look, I don't agree with the players doing this (in all honestly its disgusting), but the fact that so many have is just damning of Moyes. I genuinely dread to think of the stories that are gonna come out in the Summer once the likes of Evra, Rio and Vidic leave. I think its going to be even worse then we think.
 
Cheesy said:
Having possession and shots means hee haw if you don't do anything with them. If a team took the ball and passed it in their own area for 90 minutes, they'd have 100% possession but would have played awful football in the process.
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exactly. People quoting Arsenal's possession against us. yet they were well beaten. 1-0 does not tell the whole story. They were hardly in the match until Jones had to play in defence. Even then we handled them well.
 
Mozza said:
I agree about the football, but its not much shitter then it was last season, the results have been
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Last seasons wasn't great at times, but we were actually incredibly effective in winning games and we scored a superb amount of goals. We've been proficient in neither of those this season, meaning not only is the football dire but the results are too, so there's no excuse for it.
 
Red Dreams said:
posted this elswehere. The only switch needed was bring on Januzaj switch Young to teh right. Bring Mata to play behind/alongside RVP. Drop Rooney to replace Fletcher.

We would have won handily. How do you play a team that parks the bus...attack from midfield while they are all back there loking after our forward players. Carrick goal was a result of that. With Rooney in midfield...we would have got a couple more. This is basic tactics. Why did Moyes not know this. Hernandez and Valencia were unnecessary....and taking off Rafael...unless he was injured.
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Carricks goal came from a clearance following a cross
 
Cheesy said:
Having possession and shots means hee haw if you don't do anything with them. If a team took the ball and passed it in their own area for 90 minutes, they'd have 100% possession but would have played awful football in the process.
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How would passing the ball around in your own area lead to 31 shots? Not really the same thing is it?
 
Mozza said:
How would passing the ball around in your own area lead to 31 shots? Not really the same thing is it?
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Not exactly the same thing, but the point still stands. Having lots of possession and shots doesn't equate to good football. Our football was awful against Fulham whatever way you look at it.
 
Of course, it's just a coincidence that the complaining players are either not being selected; deemed not good enough (yet); or being phased out. ;) I'd take complaints more seriously if they were issuing from Moyes' first-team regulars.
 
Red Dreams said:
He wont resign...that is my worry. So this will get ugly.

He looked ready to die when they scored first.

Well the owners will be watching the price of the shares....

Fergie made a big mistake.
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If anyone is to blame, it's moyes and never SAF. He's done what he thought was right and no one is their wildest dreams (nightmare) would have imagined the way things go (even we are using a manager with no management experience). So to say Fergie made a big mistake is unfair, as he was only trying to help the club even he has no obligation to!
 
Cheesy said:
There's a difference between a lot of crosses, which happens sometimes, and putting in so many that you completely smash the record for them this season. How anyone can sit back and say we were alright and unlucky not to win I don't know. Just having more possession and attacking opportunities doesn't mean you deserve to win. We got everything we deserved yesterday to be honest.
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The record since data collection in football began, not just for this season!
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Maybe this isn't news to others however James Ducker is claiming that Moyes has revised his tactics in recent weeks following some form of intervention. He is said to have been approached with concerns about the central midfield sitting too deep and the effect which this is having on the rest of the team.
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Can you post the article?
 
SteveJ said:
Of course, it's just a coincidence that the complaining players are either not being selected; deemed not good enough (yet); or being phased out. ;) I'd take complaints more seriously if they were issuing from Moyes' first-team regulars.
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When Young and Valencia will complain, that will be the final thing.

I think that RVP will have something to say in the near future. Call it a gut feeling. Of course if that happens, he will be again a fecking Gooner who never was that good and should be get shown out of the door ;)

Being a bit more serious, I think that both him and Rooney (again) will ask to leave in the end of the season. There is no reason (especially for RVP) to continue here. If Rooney gets the airmband though, maybe he'll stay.
 
Revan said:
When Young and Valencia will complain, that will be the final thing.

I think that RVP will have something to say in the near future. Call it a gut feeling. Of course if that happens, he will be again a fecking Gooner who never was that good and should be get shown out of the door
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Cheesy said:
Not exactly the same thing, but the point still stands. Having lots of possession and shots doesn't equate to good football. Our football was awful against Fulham whatever way you look at it.
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Having lots of possesion and shots indicates that we played well enough to have won. I didn't say we were great, I only said we were good enough
 
Daily Sport ~ Moyes outrage at fake upskirt Photos
 
redevil2 said:
If anyone is to blame, it's moyes and never SAF. He's done what he thought was right and no one is their wildest dreams (nightmare) would have imagined the way things go (even we are using a manager with no management experience). So to say Fergie made a big mistake is unfair, as he was only trying to help the club even he has no obligation to!
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I know that it is a bit of blasphemy to criticize SAF and some people are religious when it comes to him but I think that he is by far the main culprit here. I don't like (this is recently) or rate (always) Moyes but in some way it isn't his fault. I mean he is tryig his best but he just isn't good enough. On the other side SAF made a decision which was completely illogical and made by heart not head. Finding a manager for a few days and not even considering the others? One of the pre-requisites being that the new manager will be okay to work under SAF? There are a few signs of ego there. Hindsight is brilliant, but the correct way to do this was not to make a decision in hurry and to consult also other people. We were on April and was enough time. It wasn't that we were on hurry that Barca and Madrid were going to steal our Moyesy. Why the need for hurry and the replacement to be a copy of SAF (and a shit one on that).

Anyway, a lot of people here and practically every rival fan predicted that things will go to shit for us and (rival fans) prayed that we'll stick with him forever. Maybe we didn't predict that he'll be completely awful, but it wasn't difficult predicting that he'll be very bad. RAWK's thread on David Moyes grew with an unprecedented speed there with posters being even more happy then when we signed Mata. Saying that no-one predicted that Moyes will be a complete disaster isn't accurate.
 
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David wakes up early today after a restless night. For breakfast he has a warm croissant followed by a buttered hot cross bun, both alongside his typical glass of orange juice and the morning crossword. He doesn't read the rest of the paper, fearful in the knowledge that he remains in the media's cross-hairs. That said, he can't resist a look at the weekend's lacrosse and motocross results.

He walks to work these days - crossroad by car are too unpredictable for his liking. As he ambles past a tennis match in the park he smiles wryly to a wonderful cross-court backhand. Must be brave of them to play in such a crosswind he reasons.

Arriving at Carrington he cross-checks Phil Neville's match stats with pro-zone and yes, too many short passes once again. The players need to learn.

Wayne is the first under cross-examination, questioned under suspicion of playing a through-ball. Frustrated, he criticises the tactics. The line has been crossed and David flies into a fit of rage. Several minutes later Wayne awakes on the floor, dazed, bruised and cross-eyed.

The players need to learn - what if a newcomer like Juan follows Wayne's bad example? David will cross that bridge when he comes to it. Either way, dissent across the squad cannot continue - this is not a democracy and double-crossing will not be tolerated, regardless of how good David thinks it sounds.

But David is familiar with the criss-crossing path to glory, and will tread patiently. The players will soon know his team-talk by heart... 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The players will learn and we will be saved. He crosses his fingers.
 
RK said:
David wakes up early today after a restless night. For breakfast he has a warm croissant followed by a buttered hot cross bun, both alongside his typical glass of orange juice and the morning crossword. He doesn't read the rest of the paper, fearful in the knowledge that he remains in the media's cross-hairs. That said, he can't resist a look at the weekend's lacrosse and motocross results.

He walks to work these days - crossroad by car are too unpredictable for his liking. As he ambles past a tennis match in the park he smiles wryly to a wonderful cross-court backhand. Must be brave of them to play in such a crosswind he reasons.

Arriving at Carrington he cross-checks Phil Neville's match stats with pro-zone and yes, too many short passes once again. The players need to learn.

Wayne is the first under cross-examination, questioned under suspicion of playing a through-ball. Frustrated, he criticises the tactics. The line has been crossed and David flies into a fit of rage. Several minutes later Wayne awakes on the floor, dazed, bruised and cross-eyed.

The players need to learn - what if a newcomer like Juan follows Wayne's bad example? David will cross that bridge when he comes to it. Either way, dissent across the squad cannot continue - this is not a democracy and double-crossing will not be tolerated, regardless of how good David thinks it sounds.

But David is familiar with the criss-crossing path to glory, and will tread patiently. The players will soon know his team-talk by heart... 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The players will learn and we will be saved. He crosses his fingers.
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
RK said:
David wakes up early today after a restless night. For breakfast he has a warm croissant followed by a buttered hot cross bun, both alongside his typical glass of orange juice and the morning crossword. He doesn't read the rest of the paper, fearful in the knowledge that he remains in the media's cross-hairs. That said, he can't resist a look at the weekend's lacrosse and motocross results.

He walks to work these days - crossroad by car are too unpredictable for his liking. As he ambles past a tennis match in the park he smiles wryly to a wonderful cross-court backhand. Must be brave of them to play in such a crosswind he reasons.

Arriving at Carrington he cross-checks Phil Neville's match stats with pro-zone and yes, too many short passes once again. The players need to learn.

Wayne is the first under cross-examination, questioned under suspicion of playing a through-ball. Frustrated, he criticises the tactics. The line has been crossed and David flies into a fit of rage. Several minutes later Wayne awakes on the floor, dazed, bruised and cross-eyed.

The players need to learn - what if a newcomer like Juan follows Wayne's bad example? David will cross that bridge when he comes to it. Either way, dissent across the squad cannot continue - this is not a democracy and double-crossing will not be tolerated, regardless of how good David thinks it sounds.

But David is familiar with the criss-crossing path to glory, and will tread patiently. The players will soon know his team-talk by heart... 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The players will learn and we will be saved. He crosses his fingers.
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RK said:
David wakes up early today after a restless night. For breakfast he has a warm croissant followed by a buttered hot cross bun, both alongside his typical glass of orange juice and the morning crossword. He doesn't read the rest of the paper, fearful in the knowledge that he remains in the media's cross-hairs. That said, he can't resist a look at the weekend's lacrosse and motocross results.

He walks to work these days - crossroad by car are too unpredictable for his liking. As he ambles past a tennis match in the park he smiles wryly to a wonderful cross-court backhand. Must be brave of them to play in such a crosswind he reasons.

Arriving at Carrington he cross-checks Phil Neville's match stats with pro-zone and yes, too many short passes once again. The players need to learn.

Wayne is the first under cross-examination, questioned under suspicion of playing a through-ball. Frustrated, he criticises the tactics. The line has been crossed and David flies into a fit of rage. Several minutes later Wayne awakes on the floor, dazed, bruised and cross-eyed.

The players need to learn - what if a newcomer like Juan follows Wayne's bad example? David will cross that bridge when he comes to it. Either way, dissent across the squad cannot continue - this is not a democracy and double-crossing will not be tolerated, regardless of how good David thinks it sounds.

But David is familiar with the criss-crossing path to glory, and will tread patiently. The players will soon know his team-talk by heart... 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The players will learn and we will be saved. He crosses his fingers.
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:lol: Brilliant.
 
At this point, you just have to get rid. He's had a go and he's made a mockery of of it all and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.. time to move on.
 
Tomorrow's Rio shit storm should be fun. Then we've the Arsenal loss to deal with the following day. A fun week all round.
 
To be fair, I think everyone realises how much of a feck up he's been so far, no matter what they say in public. Even Fergie must be questioning what's going on but he's too stubborn to admit it. Our stock has fallen so far in Moyes' short tenure at United, on and off the pitch.

We'll keep him and give him time though, not that he's done anything to warrant it, all because we're Manchester United and we do things the United way even when it's painfully obvious it's not working out. We, as a club, rightly or wrongly have this false perception that we are different and morally superior to other clubs like Chelsea who sack their manager if they're not up to it. We laugh at Barcelona with their 'mes que un club' bullshit, but to be honest, we're not much better.
 
Señor said:
To be fair, I think everyone realises how much of a feck up he's been so far, no matter what they say in public. Even Fergie must be questioning what's going on but he's too stubborn to admit it. Our stock has fallen so far in Moyes' short tenure at United, on and off the pitch.

We'll keep him and give him time though, not that he's done anything to warrant it, all because we're Manchester United and we do things the United way even when it's painfully obvious it's not working out. We, as a club, rightly or wrongly have this false perception that we are different and morally superior to other clubs like Chelsea who sack their manager if they're not up to it. We laugh at Barcelona with their 'mes que un club' bullshit, but to be honest, we're not much better.
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We laugh at Barcelona? Can you imagine a manager attempting to play any unattractive football there? He'd last a week.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Tomorrow's Rio shit storm should be fun. Then we've the Arsenal loss to deal with the following day. A fun week all round.
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Genuinely don't care anymore, it won't improve until he is gone thats all I know. One thing I'am certain about is that he will mess it up bad enough that at some point in time, somebody at the club will have had enough of it and fire him. I just don't know when that point in time will be, I don't think it will be this year, but I can see the Glazers stepping in if it seems like he is going to lose out on top 4 again next season, CL is too important for them, they'll forgive one year without CL football, they won't forgive another year.

Its really weird on the one hand I want United to do as well as they can and want to see us win and have everything going for us, staying clear of shit storms and not seeing the players revolt but see them happy. On the other hand I know this hope is naive and delusional and somehow I hope, if he messes up that he messes it up bad enough so he gets himself fired as soon as possible, because I know this is what it will take to turn things around again for us, so beter have it over with as soon as possible and the club won't move until Moyes really starts to make it absolutley impossible for them to keep him on board. These two conflicting feelings result in the fact I simply don't care anymore, and I probably won't care anymore until he is fired. There won't be a cure to this, until we start treating the root of the problem which is an incapable manager that never should have been put in charge of a club like Manchester United in the first place.
 
Revan said:
I know that it is a bit of blasphemy to criticize SAF and some people are religious when it comes to him but I think that he is by far the main culprit here. I don't like (this is recently) or rate (always) Moyes but in some way it isn't his fault. I mean he is tryig his best but he just isn't good enough. On the other side SAF made a decision which was completely illogical and made by heart not head. Finding a manager for a few days and not even considering the others? One of the pre-requisites being that the new manager will be okay to work under SAF? There are a few signs of ego there. Hindsight is brilliant, but the correct way to do this was not to make a decision in hurry and to consult also other people. We were on April and was enough time. It wasn't that we were on hurry that Barca and Madrid were going to steal our Moyesy. Why the need for hurry and the replacement to be a copy of SAF (and a shit one on that).

Anyway, a lot of people here and practically every rival fan predicted that things will go to shit for us and (rival fans) prayed that we'll stick with him forever. Maybe we didn't predict that he'll be completely awful, but it wasn't difficult predicting that he'll be very bad. RAWK's thread on David Moyes grew with an unprecedented speed there with posters being even more happy then when we signed Mata. Saying that no-one predicted that Moyes will be a complete disaster isn't accurate.
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Whatever! Fergie has given us 26 years of happiness. Just give him the benefits of the doubts for now. We can hate Moyes but there's absolutely no point blaming Fergie. It doesn't make any sense he chose Moyes simply to feed his egos, ignoring the well being of United. as I said before, even we had a manager-less 6 months, thing wouldn't have gone this bad. Moyes caught everyone by surprise to be honest. The worst we (or anyone else for that mata) have expected would be 3rd or 4th.
 
redevil2 said:
Whatever! Fergie has given us 26 years of happiness. Just give him the benefits of the doubts for now. We can hate Moyes but there's absolutely no point blaming Fergie. It doesn't make any sense he chose Moyes simply to feed his egos, ignoring the well being of United. as I said before, even we had a manager-less 6 months, thing wouldn't have gone this bad. Moyes caught everyone by surprise to be honest. The worst we (or anyone else for that mata) have expected would be 3rd or 4th.
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Wrong. A couple of comments on another thread fro redcafe (from the beginning of the season):

PTME said:
We walked the league with the same team last season. This season? Where did Everton finish last season?
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Fergie's Man said:
We will be fighting Spurs for 4th.
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RAWK was on party when they heard his name as the new manager of United. A lot of posters predicted us to finish outside of top 4. Raphael Honingstein predicted that but was called a bellend. There were a lot of people who predicted this.

For what is worth, I thought that we'll finish on top 4 until after the game against Newcastle.
 
RK said:
David wakes up early today after a restless night. For breakfast he has a warm croissant followed by a buttered hot cross bun, both alongside his typical glass of orange juice and the morning crossword. He doesn't read the rest of the paper, fearful in the knowledge that he remains in the media's cross-hairs. That said, he can't resist a look at the weekend's lacrosse and motocross results.

He walks to work these days - crossroad by car are too unpredictable for his liking. As he ambles past a tennis match in the park he smiles wryly to a wonderful cross-court backhand. Must be brave of them to play in such a crosswind he reasons.

Arriving at Carrington he cross-checks Phil Neville's match stats with pro-zone and yes, too many short passes once again. The players need to learn.

Wayne is the first under cross-examination, questioned under suspicion of playing a through-ball. Frustrated, he criticises the tactics. The line has been crossed and David flies into a fit of rage. Several minutes later Wayne awakes on the floor, dazed, bruised and cross-eyed.

The players need to learn - what if a newcomer like Juan follows Wayne's bad example? David will cross that bridge when he comes to it. Either way, dissent across the squad cannot continue - this is not a democracy and double-crossing will not be tolerated, regardless of how good David thinks it sounds.

But David is familiar with the criss-crossing path to glory, and will tread patiently. The players will soon know his team-talk by heart... 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The players will learn and we will be saved. He crosses his fingers.
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:lol:
 
RK said:
David wakes up early today after a restless night. For breakfast he has a warm croissant followed by a buttered hot cross bun, both alongside his typical glass of orange juice and the morning crossword. He doesn't read the rest of the paper, fearful in the knowledge that he remains in the media's cross-hairs. That said, he can't resist a look at the weekend's lacrosse and motocross results.

He walks to work these days - crossroad by car are too unpredictable for his liking. As he ambles past a tennis match in the park he smiles wryly to a wonderful cross-court backhand. Must be brave of them to play in such a crosswind he reasons.

Arriving at Carrington he cross-checks Phil Neville's match stats with pro-zone and yes, too many short passes once again. The players need to learn.

Wayne is the first under cross-examination, questioned under suspicion of playing a through-ball. Frustrated, he criticises the tactics. The line has been crossed and David flies into a fit of rage. Several minutes later Wayne awakes on the floor, dazed, bruised and cross-eyed.

The players need to learn - what if a newcomer like Juan follows Wayne's bad example? David will cross that bridge when he comes to it. Either way, dissent across the squad cannot continue - this is not a democracy and double-crossing will not be tolerated, regardless of how good David thinks it sounds.

But David is familiar with the criss-crossing path to glory, and will tread patiently. The players will soon know his team-talk by heart... 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

The players will learn and we will be saved. He crosses his fingers.
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:lol: Class.
 
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