Moyes So Far!

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'Moyes denied that United's plan was merely to utilise the cross. "It was never one way," he said. "If you're just going to look at the stats and think about the crosses you need to think about the number of passes and I don't think we just went out and crossed the ball. Some people might say that one of the things that Manchester United do is play with width and cross the ball, that's in the genes here.'

Man, I find this kind of thing incredibly worrying. Denying that we were one-dimensional, denying that a Premier League record number of crosses is statistically significant, stating that that's just the way the club plays its football...really not very encouraging.

Link by the way, in case anyone was wondering:
http://www.theguardian.com/football...er-united-david-moyes-fulham-rene-meulensteen
 
Mozza said:
Im sorry for pointing out we took the lead
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We took the lead with 80+% possession...in the last 10 minutes of the game. That's good performance? If we had that much possession and any sort of flexibility of attack, we would have scored 5. No, we just sat outside the box and did the same thing over and over and over and over and over. We crossed the ball more than any team has in the Premier League...ever. Basically, Moyes plan was to just cross it and hope for a lucky break against a team with a center back who's over 2m tall.
 
Sir Matt said:
We took the lead with 80+% possession...in the last 10 minutes of the game. That's good performance? If we had that much possession and any sort of flexibility of attack, we would have scored 5. No, we just sat outside the box and did the same thing over and over and over and over and over. We crossed the ball more than any team has in the Premier League...ever. Basically, Moyes plan was to just cross it and hope for a lucky break against a team with a center back who's over 2m tall.
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Why does it matter when we take the lead? Chelsea couldn't manage it against West Ham 2 weeks ago, same tactics faced, same struggle to score
 
Mozza said:
Why does it matter when we take the lead? Chelsea couldn't manage it against West Ham 2 weeks ago, same tactics faced, same struggle to score
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Chelsea don't do it every week. There's a difference. We have struggled in nearly every game we've played under Moyes. Hull, West Brom, Fulham. Home or away doesn't matter.
 
Mozza said:
Why does it matter when we take the lead? Chelsea couldn't manage it against West Ham 2 weeks ago, same tactics faced, same struggle to score
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Chelsea (against WHU) was more the exception that the rule mate. A game or two in year (against those teams) is normal to not win. Every team doesn that. On the other side we are doing it on weekly basis.
 
Red Dreams said:
He wont resign...that is my worry. So this will get ugly.

He looked ready to die when they scored first.

Well the owners will be watching the price of the shares....

Fergie made a big mistake.
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Surely Ferguson isn't the Glazer's sole footballing adviser. This is what I cling onto. Apparently Gill wanted Mourinho over Moyes, fingers crossed he lets uncle Malcolm know persisting with Moyes will be a disaster.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Surely Ferguson isn't the Glazer's sole footballing adviser. This is what I cling onto. Apparently Gill wanted Mourinho over Moyes, fingers crossed he lets uncle Malcolm know persisting with Moyes will be a disaster.
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He won't be, although there's always a possibility that because of how massive a figure he is, they won't want to upset him by going directly against him. Fergie's legacy means he has a massive amount of power and if he comes out in favour of Moyes publicly asking for him to be given more time, then I'm hesitant as to whether they'd go directly against him.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Exactly, you saw an acceptable performance versus Fulham! :lol:
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I saw the game for what it was

We weren't great yesterday but it was good enough performance to merit 3 points. The crossing wasn't our only aim, however given the amount of possesion we had and the way Fulham set up there were always going to be alot of them.
 
Mozza said:
Most people watch things with a filter of expectation over their eyes, they only see what they want to see
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I definitely don't want to see us smashing in 82 crosses in a game. Yet I did see that.
 
Cheesy said:
He won't be, although there's always a possibility that because of how massive a figure he is, they won't want to upset him by going directly against him. Fergie's legacy means he has a massive amount of power and if he comes out in favour of Moyes publicly asking for him to be given more time, then I'm hesitant as to whether they'd go directly against him.
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If Ferguson was to publicly come to Moyes' defence it would put the Glazer's in a very testing position should they want rid of Moyes. If the Glazer's shafted him tomorrow I don't think too many fans would be disappointed though.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Surely Ferguson isn't the Glazer's sole footballing adviser. This is what I cling onto. Apparently Gill wanted Mourinho over Moyes, fingers crossed he lets uncle Malcolm know persisting with Moyes will be a disaster.
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I still think Jose will be our next manager. I suspect part of the reason Moyes was recommended was he is from these shores and appreciates the history of United. We also know Moyes was wanted by Fergie to be his assistant manager. Perhaps all will come out in his third book. But we cannot wait until then....

He probably will be given the players he wants in the summer...but I am certain we wont let him be our 'Souness' . Next season will be make or break.
 
Mozza said:
I saw the game for what it was

We weren't great yesterday but it was good enough performance to merit 3 points. The crossing wasn't our only aim, however given the amount of possesion we had and the way Fulham set up there were always going to be alot of them.
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There's a difference between a lot of crosses, which happens sometimes, and putting in so many that you completely smash the record for them this season. How anyone can sit back and say we were alright and unlucky not to win I don't know. Just having more possession and attacking opportunities doesn't mean you deserve to win. We got everything we deserved yesterday to be honest.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
If Ferguson was to publicly come to Moyes' defence it would put the Glazer's in a very testing position should they want rid of Moyes. If the Glazer's shafted him tomorrow I don't think too many fans would be disappointed though.
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Probably not, but due to Fergie's influence if he then came out and publicly backed the man then a lot of fans would side with one of the clubs greatest ever figures over owners who are already widely hated. Even though a lot have been disillusioned with Moyes, I think there are still a lot out there who buy into the whole giving the manager time thing, no matter how poorly he's doing.
 
Cheesy said:
He won't be, although there's always a possibility that because of how massive a figure he is, they won't want to upset him by going directly against him. Fergie's legacy means he has a massive amount of power and if he comes out in favour of Moyes publicly asking for him to be given more time, then I'm hesitant as to whether they'd go directly against him.
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They are here for business though, and not for romanticism. Fergie is our biggest legend but lets say he resigns from the board. Will he be missed? I think no (in fact I argued from the beginning that he shouldn't have been allowed to have anything more than ceremonial positions at the club). He defined the modern United for all these years, but his time has gone. Continuing to support his decision (when they are clearly wrong) just in order to satisfy his ego doesn't sound right to me. And ultimatelly if this significantly affects the revenue/club value then very likely Glazers will act regardless of what Fergie says and does.

In the end of the day even if they fall out (I think that it is very unlikely in any case) what can he do to the Glazers? Try to make fans against them? It is not that fans love them anyway. At worst case, they will get a bit of extra money from the yellow scarfs they sell in OT. And then sign a new shiny player in order to make fans shut up again.
 
Mozza said:
I don't see why it matters how many crosses we make as long as the footballs good in the build up to the cross
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But therein lies the problem. The football was terrible.
 
Cheesy said:
Probably not, but due to Fergie's influence if he then came out and publicly backed the man then a lot of fans would side with one of the clubs greatest ever figures over owners who are already widely hated. Even though a lot have been disillusioned with Moyes, I think there are still a lot out there who buy into the whole giving the manager time thing, no matter how poorly he's doing.
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Agreed, I wonder what the treatment of Moyes would have been like had Ferguson not ordered the fans to stand by the new man.
 
Mozza said:
I don't see why it matters how many crosses we make as long as the footballs good in the build up to the cross
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Ding ding ding. We play absolute shite football, we have all season. We are simply not enjoyable to watch at all. It can be hard work watching us at times.
 
Revan said:
They are here for business though, and not for romanticism. Fergie is our biggest legend but lets say he resigns from the board. Will he be missed? I think no (in fact I argued from the beginning that he shouldn't have been allowed to have anything more than ceremonial positions at the club). He defined the modern United for all these years, but his time has gone. Continuing to support his decision (when they are clearly wrong) just in order to satisfy his ego doesn't sound right to me. And ultimatelly if this significantly affects the revenue/club value then very likely Glazers will act regardless of what Fergie says and does.

In the end of the day even if they fall out (I think that it is very unlikely in any case) what can he do to the Glazers? Try to make fans against them? It is not that fans love them anyway. At worst case, they will get a bit of extra money from the yellow scarfs they sell in OT.
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Perhaps, I hope you're correct. Has to be remembered though that Charlton is very influential too though - disgruntling Fergie and causing him to resign would be bad enough, but they may be hesitant about alienating themselves from two club legends. It's difficult to tell though, since Fergie himself may end up realising how awful Moyes has been, suck up his pride, and agree that replacing him with someone more suitable is the only option.
 
Cheesy said:
There's a difference between a lot of crosses, which happens sometimes, and putting in so many that you completely smash the record for them this season. How anyone can sit back and say we were alright and unlucky not to win I don't know. Just having more possession and attacking opportunities doesn't mean you deserve to win. We got everything we deserved yesterday to be honest.
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75% possesion, 31 shots
 
Cheesy said:
There's a difference between a lot of crosses, which happens sometimes, and putting in so many that you completely smash the record for them this season. How anyone can sit back and say we were alright and unlucky not to win I don't know. Just having more possession and attacking opportunities doesn't mean you deserve to win. We got everything we deserved yesterday to be honest.
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posted this elswehere. The only switch needed was bring on Januzaj switch Young to teh right. Bring Mata to play behind/alongside RVP. Drop Rooney to replace Fletcher.

We would have won handily. How do you play a team that parks the bus...attack from midfield while they are all back there loking after our forward players. Carrick goal was a result of that. With Rooney in midfield...we would have got a couple more. This is basic tactics. Why did Moyes not know this. Hernandez and Valencia were unnecessary....and taking off Rafael...unless he was injured.
 
Mozza said:
75% possesion, 31 shots
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Having possession and shots means hee haw if you don't do anything with them. If a team took the ball and passed it in their own area for 90 minutes, they'd have 100% possession but would have played awful football in the process.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Ding ding ding. We play absolute shite football, we have all season. We are simply not enjoyable to watch at all. It can be hard work watching us at times.
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I agree about the football, but its not much shitter then it was last season, the results have been
 
Can someone explain why Moyes insists that we play with two "holding" midfielders? It's a position Fergie said United have never played with yet Moyes comes in and wants all of our midfielders to play that role. We've always had box-to-box players who could get forward and assist in the attack, but Moyes insists that the midfield offer no support to the attack, which leads to the 8000000000 crosses. If it's to provide cover for the back line, some job it's doing. Fletcher and Cleverley have now mentioned that Moyes wants them to play further back. It won't do any good if we buy new midfielders only to playing them so negatively.

Is it cowardice or a tactical masterstroke that I'm not seeing?
 
Maybe this isn't news to others however James Ducker is claiming that Moyes has revised his tactics in recent weeks following some form of intervention. He is said to have been approached with concerns about the central midfield sitting too deep and the effect which this is having on the rest of the team, one of them is now supposed to be playing in a more advanced position than previously.
 
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