No, far from it.
I've stated many times that Moyes is hiding behind excuses and seems to be out of his depth. Trust me, I'd be happy if Moyes was shown the door tomorrow.
Moyes So Far!
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I've stated many times that Moyes is hiding behind excuses and seems to be out of his depth. Trust me, I'd be happy if Moyes was shown the door tomorrow.
Mata has already made a third as many crosses in a United shirt that he made during his 12 games for Chelsea this season. Januzaj spent ages talking to Moyes coming on yesterday and instantly began hitting crosses in. Moyes talked about getting to the byline 8 or 9 times after Stoke like it was a triumph and his defence of the crossing, saying it was in the club's DNA, in the post-game press conference was embarrassing. If you think its not down to him well what's the point in arguing otherwise? There's more than enough evidence for it, if you dont wanna believe it thats up to you. We're getting condemend by Dan bloody Burn for playing 'Conference' like football and you're still defending him...
Theres no evidence in his 11 years at Everton that all he wants to do is cross
If he's lost the players like it seems then his position is untenable, regardless of what you think of him.
Moyes is starting to lose the dressing room. 4 players have all made snide comments now, and with results going poorly the pressure is mounting.
I feel that if we get a poor result at Arsenal and then another away after, he could be under real threat.
I was all for giving him time, but things are getting worse rather than better. I feel if we had somebody like Klopp/heynckes etc they would have positives on the club, but the football currently is awful and the results are ridiculous.
Sure we can play the unlucky card, but you make your luck in life and holding a 2-1 position into extra time we should have cemented a win at home; this is not good enough.
I feel that if we get a poor result at Arsenal and then another away after, he could be under real threat.
I was all for giving him time, but things are getting worse rather than better. I feel if we had somebody like Klopp/heynckes etc they would have positives on the club, but the football currently is awful and the results are ridiculous.
Sure we can play the unlucky card, but you make your luck in life and holding a 2-1 position into extra time we should have cemented a win at home; this is not good enough.
There is no evidence from what he's done at United so far, or in what he has said to the media after games, that he feels we are crossing too much. Which we obviously are. This is a man who says he doesn't know what more we needed to do to win...
I'd blame Fergie first before Moyes. Fergie changed our DNA to the extreme the last few years. We don't know any different way of playing. And I think Moyes plays it safe, not wanting to take the players out of their comfort zone.
But enough is enough and if he wants to keep his job now is the time to stir things up, drop a few players, get rid of a few, start shouting, something. He's being walked over by feckwits like Rio and he takes it.
At least Ferguson attempted to play a different system last season. What I'd do to see Moyes play the narrow diamond.
In our DNA? Bollocks. United have historically played goalscoring wingers, not wingers who just run to the byline and sling a cross in. Even in the days of the Babes, Johnny Berry was a goalscoring right winger and even with Tommy Taylor in the side, he was leading goalscorer for at least one season. Coppell and Hill both liked to cut inside and shoot. Both scored bagfuls of goals. Mickey Thomas, not so many but he wasn't shot-shy even when he had Joe Jordan to aim at with a cross. Kanchelskis, Sharpe, Giggs and Ronaldo, to name but a few of the great wingers we've had who found the net often. The there's Best and Morgan too. Moyes is talking utter bollocks.
So it's either the players taking the piss, or he has been told that United play with wingers and is trying too hard to make our wingers work. He might not actually want wingers and is being told all the time it is how United play. Gary Neville isn't helping there. Unfortunately we don't have your mate David Beckham, we have Fergies recruits Valencia and Young. Maybe he is actually trying to prove to SAF and one's like Sir Bobby Charlton, that wingers don't work any more.
You blame Fergie for the way Moyes had us play yesterday? Why?
Didn't RVP make some noises in Holland about the training being inferior earlier in the season? And the fact that he regretted losing Uniteds old coaches? I think RVP plus senior payers such as Rio & Evra have been unhappy with Moyes all along and they have influenced the younger players.
Because the players don't know anything else. You see when Rooney touches the ball he instantly takes a look towards the wing.
It's the way these players are taught to play by their previous coaches.
And I don't understand how Maulensteen and Phelan had the nerve to have a dig at the way we play yesterday. WELL feckWITS, IT WAS YOU WHO DRILLED THIS STYLE INTO THEM.
Last season there was no team in the league that attacked more through a single area of the pitch than Everton. 42% of their attacks went down the left flank. Leighton Baines created the second highest amount of chances per game in the whole league last year, he did this largely by crossing from the left wing. This season Baines is not even in the top 50 players for chance creation. Everton also had the joint 3rd lowest team percentage of attacks through the centre of the pitch in the league last year.
There's nothing wrong with attacking from the flanks. It's all about balance and making sure the crosses you get in are good opportunities.
I think Arsenal have scored the most goals from crosses this year but have completed the fewest of them. That says a lot. I also think low crosses are far more efficient than high ones, as a general rule.
I think Arsenal have scored the most goals from crosses this year but have completed the fewest of them. That says a lot. I also think low crosses are far more efficient than high ones, as a general rule.
If we had got Baines, we might not be moaning so much as he is actually very good at that.
Yep, actually our most dangerous ones where when Evra just smacked them hard and low in between the defence.
If most of our crosses yesterday were low crosses, we might have got more out of the game. That is decision making by the wide men. They decide what type of crosses they will put in.
And yet under Fergie we were never so totally reliant on crossing it into the box.
Even when we had Becks we didn't rely on crossing to this extent. Yorkie made as many assists as Becks did when we won the treble, his connection that year with Coley was telepathic:
Can you even dream of Rooney and Van Persie combining like this if we carry on ignoring the centre of the pitch as we have been? You get the feeling that if Moyes had been watching that he'd have asked Keane why he didn't get it wide instead of passing it into Yorkie...
More evidence, for those that don't wanna use their eyes, that Moyes' gameplan is built on firing balls into the box from wide. This is a man who took successive goalscorers like Yakubu and Jelavic and turned them into hardworking psuedo-strikers. No wonder he bought Fellaini...
Ironically, not playing the percentages tends to result in a higher percentage win rate.
A club of our stature should be bossing sides like Fulham and Stoke. There should be a definite game plan centered around genuine talent and not hit and hope tactics.
Hence Sir Alex's departure was the opportune moment to really break the mould, cut the cloth instead of lengthening it, and bring in a younger, fresher manager with modern ideas. Sadly, we missed the boat. You're right in regards to our previous football, however, it was nowhere near as one-dimensional as that monstrosity of a performance on show last night.
You're right, but wingers have to weigh in with goals. What's wrong with cutting inside and having a shot at goal instead of lumping it into the box when 9 times out of 10 a bloody great centre half is going to welly it back upfield? Young can shoot and he can beat a man but he rarely combines the two. Valencia too to a lesser degree. Even when you've got a good centre forward, you have to vary it a bit. The Arsenal of old had a really good winger in George Armstrong who loved to shoot, but if he saw Radford in space, he'd pick him out. We don't have a centre-forward like Stapleton, Pearson, or Jordan any more so this incessant crossing is a waste of effort.
After the Vidic announcement, some papers mentioned Moyes's quote from late September when he was asked about Vida's contract and admitted he didn't know it was coming to an end. It's quite astonishing, I think. Surely checking contracts would be one of the first things any manager would do.
It's a huge step up for Moyes having managed a far smaller operation, but overall I wonder if he's taken on too much. Even Fergie delegated stuff in recent years and I don't think age was the only reason. Moyes is taking training sessions, and with the addition of preparation to them it must take a lot of his time. We've seen him flying out to watch players. There's preparation for games and god knows what else. It seems like he's trying to do it all - but you can't without some things suffering. Like I said, he admitted now knowing that Vida's contract was about to end. What else could he be missing?
Problem is, I don't see how our current system can offer him any help and reducing the load. Fergie and Charlton are there but they shouldn't have anything to do with it. The loss of David Gill, especially to a replacement who is just not a football man, is massive to me. Round and co may be capable, but there's no way Moyes will let go of training sessions when the quality of football and results are so bad - that's what he'll be judged through at the end of the day.
It's a huge step up for Moyes having managed a far smaller operation, but overall I wonder if he's taken on too much. Even Fergie delegated stuff in recent years and I don't think age was the only reason. Moyes is taking training sessions, and with the addition of preparation to them it must take a lot of his time. We've seen him flying out to watch players. There's preparation for games and god knows what else. It seems like he's trying to do it all - but you can't without some things suffering. Like I said, he admitted now knowing that Vida's contract was about to end. What else could he be missing?
Problem is, I don't see how our current system can offer him any help and reducing the load. Fergie and Charlton are there but they shouldn't have anything to do with it. The loss of David Gill, especially to a replacement who is just not a football man, is massive to me. Round and co may be capable, but there's no way Moyes will let go of training sessions when the quality of football and results are so bad - that's what he'll be judged through at the end of the day.
The following was sent to me by email an hour ago from a German friend of mine (a Cologne supporter) who follows the English prem very closely:
Not that any of this is news to the caf, but if anyone see a single error in this analysis please let us know immediately. Thanks!
Not that any of this is news to the caf, but if anyone see a single error in this analysis please let us know immediately. Thanks!
1. Page one from the Brian Clough book of management that. It's what made him come unglued at Leeds.
2. Oh yes. Major loss that was and little mentioned in the press. He may not have been everyone's cup of tea but his knowledge of the business side of the game was immense.
Preaching to the choir mate.
Your mate is spot on.
No we mixed it up under Fergie. Carrick was constantly drilling passes to the feet of the forwards through the middle last season. We also broke a record for the highest number of different goal-scorers in one season and had people chipping in with goals and assists from everywhere. Assists aren't coming from midfield this season because we are set up to cross and only to cross. We were never ever so completely one-dimensional and fecking clueless under Fergie. Last night it was as if Moyes had asked us to play as a parody of "The United Way" with everything amplified and exaggerated for dramatic effect. It was ridiculous and the way that he justified it because "it's in our DNA" just shows that in his mind he thinks he's doing the right thing. Yes Rooney does by default spray the ball out wide but he's always been capable of link-up play through the middle and we aren't seeing that. Mata and Januzaj are being used as another vehicle to spread the ball wide and whip crosses in and there's so much more to them than that. We would have never pumped 82 crosses in under Fergie, without trying something else. And it's no surprise both of our previous coaches (Phelan and Meulensteen) last night said the couldn't believe we didn't try to mix it up. You have to have more to offer than that.
This.
He's talking shite. Busby never played that way, neither did Atkinson, Docherty, or even O'Farrell. Where does he come up with this DNA crap? Just another stupid buzzword that he's heard somewhere.
I agree, I have mentioned before that he needs to delegate training duties, that he can't do everything like he did at Everton. He needs help.
I genuinely wonder whether Moyes has just watched too many Gary Neville clips, and is trying to implement what he thinks should be the United way.
Much appreciated. My German buddy just replied to my reply that we should inquire into Hiddink's availablity (on a short term basis):
Hiddinck would be a great caretaker for the rest of the season. I would like United to look at Roberto Martinez, Michael laudrup, Solskjaer, frank DeBoer (Ajax manager) – young managers who have shown tactical ability and the ability to compete on a shoestring. They also have the advantage of being young and thereby capable of staying at the club for a while.
I'm not sure about going after another Everton manager right now, although I see what he'd recommend we consider him. Something went awry with Laudrup so I'm not sold on that idea. Ole...not yet. DeBoer is a very interesting suggestion.
It seems likely Moyes will be allowed to finish the season and, unless he improbably climbs us back to fourth, he'll be sacked a few days after the season ends. The next manager we hire has to be able to walk into the job right away and not take the month of June off, as Moyes did. The list of qualified managers for the job is a short one, but one thing is nearly certain -- he will not be a Scot.
Hiddinck would be a great caretaker for the rest of the season. I would like United to look at Roberto Martinez, Michael laudrup, Solskjaer, frank DeBoer (Ajax manager) – young managers who have shown tactical ability and the ability to compete on a shoestring. They also have the advantage of being young and thereby capable of staying at the club for a while.
I'm not sure about going after another Everton manager right now, although I see what he'd recommend we consider him. Something went awry with Laudrup so I'm not sold on that idea. Ole...not yet. DeBoer is a very interesting suggestion.
It seems likely Moyes will be allowed to finish the season and, unless he improbably climbs us back to fourth, he'll be sacked a few days after the season ends. The next manager we hire has to be able to walk into the job right away and not take the month of June off, as Moyes did. The list of qualified managers for the job is a short one, but one thing is nearly certain -- he will not be a Scot.
Busby was way before by time, but I have seen some footage of United under him. I completely agree that hoof the ball to the wingers and then crossing endlessly has nothing to do with how we played on his time. In fact even under SAF (whol loved wingers) it was completely different to how we are playing now.
Our football became too dependent on playing through the wings and just crossing it in recent years, but in many games you'd see positive changes after half time and crosses from good positions with actual purpose rather than punting it into the box. We'd also be mixing it up a lot more with playing through the center, trying quick one-two's. We've really gone from not being the most creative but at least trying to do different stuff to totally one dimensional this season.
Is your mate a billionaire by any chance? Can he buyout the Glazer's please?
I would love for this to happen, but I doubt it will. Who said that he will get sacked if we don't finish fourth? Wishful thinking or you are basing it on something?
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