Moyes So Far!

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I no longer believe that this is a so-called 'transition' period, Big Ron was right Man Utd don't have transitions, this is the start of a decline. With Moyes at Man Utd I no longer believe that we can feel ourselves certainties to finish top 4 not if we attack as we did today. We need to get mentally prepared to be a cup team again, and accept we will be fighting to get into the Europa League in future seasons if the club stubbornly sticks by Moyes. Looking forward to next season I don't see silverwear on the horizon, I don't see a massive turnaround to be top 4. I just dont have any hope or expectation.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Of course they could. But do you see Moyes agreeing to this? The man appears to hold little concern for saving face.
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If he remains stubborn and we continue to regress then the fans and media will turn on him leading to him being ruthlessly demonised. He'll be ruined after that. Best save face and 'honourably resign' before doing more damage to the club, and his reputation.
 
Leg-End said:
We need a long term fix, not a short term one.
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You don't get it! Not having a short term fix would certainly have a long term repercussion (negatively) on the club, players (reputation and economic loss etc). If we have a come back in the last few months of the season, at least we live up to our reputation as Man United. The long term goal can be achieved with less damage to control.
 
My reply was for the guy saying SAF would bring us back in the short term and that is not what we need, if we do that we go back to square one. Let the next manager be the guy that replaced the guy after SAF, not the one directly replacing him again.

If you are going to sack him get a proper caretaker role in there and do away with the SAF baggage.
 
Kaos said:
If he remains stubborn and we continue to regress then the fans and media will turn on him leading to him being ruthlessly demonised. He'll be ruined after that. Best save face and 'honourably resign' before doing more damage to the club, and his reputation.
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So far I think the media has been really kind to him!!!
 
redevil2 said:
To be fair to Sir Alex, he was saying the reassurance words so as to give Moyes the freedom but little did he know that Moyes took it literally by keeping the job and not performing. Moyes has really let us and specifically Sir Alex down. He has no excuse. Sir Alex would have never had expected he is that bad. He has no winning mentality that he can instill into the players'
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Moyes hasn't done himself any favours, but lets not blame him for taking one of the biggest jobs in football. SAF picked him, and as of now, it's looking like a costly decision on his part. There was plenty of evidence to suggest that a manager like Moyes was never going to be up to the task, his CV alone isn't up to it. He was hardly going to refuse the job though.

Brwned created a thread a while back on his concern regarding the comments SAF made in his book about Moyes' appointment, and a lot of people on here thought that it was silly to even question them, because it was Fergie. Whatever way you swing it though, the comments were bloody odd.
 
How dare Moyes say that the players are "mentally soft". Thats an insult to every player and to the club.

Moyes is clearly delusional.
 
Leg-End said:
My reply was for the guy saying SAF would bring us back in the short term and that is not what we need, if we do that we go back to square one. Let the next manager be the guy that replaced the guy after SAF, not the one directly replacing him again.

If you are going to sack him get a proper caretaker role in there and do away with the SAF baggage.
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You said it like it is a bad thing SAF is in charge again. Why!! There will be a lot of positives if we are to have a true football figure tidying up loose end. We can start over again in the new season with a new manager
 
redevil2 said:
So far I think the media has been really kind to him!!!
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The media have been very kind to him, I honestly think the manager of many clubs would be under pressure especially winning only two in this calender year.

A club flirting with relegation would cut their losses in an attempt to get the boost from a new appointment and get points under their belt to ensure safety.

Also very few of the top teams would have stood by him after the number of losses and the performances of the team.

I want Moyes to be a success for Fergie. But I really don't think he is good enough.
 
gormless said:
It wouldn't work. The players would respect him, yes, but they would know it was temporary and he would be leaving again at the end of the season. We all know what happened last time the players knew months in advance he was leaving. We'd improve, but we're talk far behind 4th now. We're better off going for a new permanent manager
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It is really said easier than done when you want a permanent manager. What is permanent should depend on circumstances. Players need some strong figure in the dressing room to remind them what it feels like to be a winner.
 
.Rossi said:
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I've been thinking for a while, I wonder if Fergie is a bit insulted by some of the things Moyes has said about the players..

He's said on numerous occasions the team isn't good enough and now he's saying they are mentally soft...People saying Fergie has his back could be very much wrong if he keeps saying things like this. Fergie is a proud man and he wouldn't take too kindly to them things been said
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That's actually a good point.
He did say in his leaving speech that he believes he left behind a very good squad, Moyes obviously thinks otherwise.
 
SAF was outspoken about managers being sacked too easily and prematurely, I'm convinced he'd still be behind Moyes.

As for the Glazers, if we lose heavily to Arsenal that'll give them something to think about. The pressure will be insane, if it's going to happen at all that seems like the logical trigger. If they don't act then they might as well give him till the end of the season.

There comes a point when humiliation is so total that any further indignity makes no difference. We aren't far from that point.
 
#07 said:
I no longer believe that this is a so-called 'transition' period, Big Ron was right Man Utd don't have transitions, this is the start of a decline. With Moyes at Man Utd I no longer believe that we can feel ourselves certainties to finish top 4 not if we attack as we did today. We need to get mentally prepared to be a cup team again, and accept we will be fighting to get into the Europa League in future seasons if the club stubbornly sticks by Moyes. Looking forward to next season I don't see silverwear on the horizon, I don't see a massive turnaround to be top 4. I just dont have any hope or expectation.
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Its just so clear hes not the right fit. If club don't act they will regret it....more so than they most probably do now.
 
redevil2 said:
You said it like it is a bad thing SAF is in charge again. Why!! There will be a lot of positives if we are to have a true football figure tidying up loose end. We can start over again in the new season with a new manager
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Because he is 72, walked away on a high note and he has no reason to come back for 4 months. If we had something left to fight for then maybe but I don't see it, we need an epic collapse from those above us to get a CL place, we are out of the cups, CL is all we have left and lets be honest as soon as we run into a decent side we will be out of that too.

I don't want SAF's final note to be a damn squib league position after his chosen one failed.
 
I hope Vidic or Evra challenge him and those mentally soft quotes. Appaling stuff. You can say alot of the quality of some players but mentally soft to a group of champions. Is he out of his mind?
 
redevil2 said:
To be fair to Sir Alex, he was saying the reassurance words so as to give Moyes the freedom but little did he know that Moyes took it literally by keeping the job and not performing. Moyes has really let us and specifically Sir Alex down. He has no excuse. Sir Alex would have never had expected he is that bad. He has no winning mentality that he can instill into the players'
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Yep, I get the sense Fergie is probably taken a bit taken aback of how things have gone horribly wrong for Moyes. That said, Moyes is Fergie's project and given his long held belief that manager's are sacked too soon, I doubt he will do anything other than support him and provide a bit of private mentorship.

Have a look at the video clip on this page with Becks. Despite being a former player, his opinion (oddly enough) illustrates how people inside the club and those previously affiliated with it, see things from a much longer term perspective than fans on web forums who tend to be more about "winning now".

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1705838?cc=5901
 
I wouldn't even say the tactics are the problem, necessarily. It's simply that the players aren't trying hard enough either defensively or going forward. Today wasn't the first time a side has parked the bus and tried to play on the counter at Old Trafford, but it was the first time we've been so lacking in energy throughout the side. Crossing the ball into the box can work well, but when our approach play is this ponderous it's kind of rendered pointless.
 
Leg-End said:
Because he is 72, walked away on a high note and he has no reason to come back for 4 months. If we had something left to fight for then maybe but I don't see it, we need an epic collapse from those above us to get a CL place, we are out of the cups, CL is all we have left and lets be honest as soon as we run into a decent side we will be out of that too.
I don't want SAF's final note to be a damn squib league position after his chosen one failed.
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Sir Alex would be thinking of United rather than himself. Seeing him on the stand looking grim made me feel so sad.
 
Raoul said:
Yep, I get the sense Fergie is probably taken a bit taken aback of how things have gone horribly wrong for Moyes. That said, Moyes is Fergie's project and given his long held belief that manager's are sacked too soon, I doubt he will do anything other than support him and provide a bit of private mentorship.
Have a look at the video clip on this page with Becks. Despite being a former player, his opinion (oddly enough) illustrates how people inside the club and those previously affiliated with it, see things from a much longer term perspective than fans on web forums who tend to be more about "winning now".
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1705838?cc=5901
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Becks being a red through and through and a public figure, has to back the club and he really can't have said anything else. And to be fair we die hard fans aren't just about winning. We think of long term too and we really want to be proved wrong. We are not used to be collapsing like that and if asked privately, SAF and Becks would be doubting a bit now.
 
Apparently Hernandez has posted 'the time to speak about so many things will come' on his Instagram in Spanish after the game. Does anyone follow him on this?! Is it accurate?
 
Dante said:
I wouldn't even say the tactics are the problem, necessarily. It's simply that the players aren't trying hard enough either defensively or going forward. Today wasn't the first time a side has parked the bus and tried to play on the counter at Old Trafford, but it was the first time we've been so lacking in energy throughout the side. Crossing the ball into the box can work well, but when our approach play is this ponderous it's kind of rendered pointless.
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I really agree with this, I posted something similar a week or so ago. I think it's both tactical and motivational. The players we have we should destroy Fulham regardless of tactics. For the players to be unable to win that game, given how badly we needed to win, psychologically as much as in any race for 4th place, says something is badly wrong on the motivational front.
 
So, he sucks suck at tactics and he sucks suck at motivation. What is he good at?
 
Anderson18 said:
I hope Vidic or Evra challenge him and those mentally soft quotes. Appaling stuff. You can say alot of the quality of some players but mentally soft to a group of champions. Is he out of his mind?
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Moyes would be forgiven for not knowing how it feels being champions because he had never won anything
 
Anderson18 said:
I hope Vidic or Evra challenge him and those mentally soft quotes. Appaling stuff. You can say alot of the quality of some players but mentally soft to a group of champions. Is he out of his mind?
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That's what we need. A player who's been here for years, through all the trophies and comebacks, to put it up to him.

Vidic, Evra, Rooney, Carrick, Giggs, Rio, Fletcher. One of them need to question him on it.
 
Obviously on social media and redcafe the people who want to keep him are getting drowned by those wishing for him to get the sack. Does this put any pressure on the club to do so though? Does this filter through to the board?

I've only been to 3 games this season, and not since Stoke away in the League Cup, but I don't get the feeling that the fans are particularly making noises about getting rid of Moyes, booing him, etc.etc. The support for him seems to be quietening somewhat too, but that doesn't really add any pressure as such.

What say you matchgoers? Or even if there was obvious discontent inside Old Trafford, it would have no effort on the board anyway?

By the way, I'm not saying that I want the crowd to start chanting for Moyes to be sacked.
 
redevil2 said:
Sir Alex would be thinking of United rather than himself. Seeing him on the stand looking grim made me feel so sad.
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I believed this too but then Moyes happened. SAF looked more interested to hire a manager in 'his own shape' and that makes it possible for him to continue having power on the club rather than a good and strong manager.

SAF is the biggest legend United have (and likely won't ever be surprassed) but he also has a very big ego and unfortunately I think that he considers himself even bigger than United. It was the reason why I wanted that when the moment of his retirement comes, he should not keep any position within the club (except the ambasador positions). It is so similar to Sir Matt' case, the history is trying its best to repeat itself. The dirty bitch!
 
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