Moyes So Far!
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Where is the sack watch?
I guess we have to wait in here for him to be sacked now.
Its merged with this thread.
Moyes: Fergie's Djemba-Djemba of 2013
Problem with Moyes is that he doesn't radiate confidence. He's clearly anxious about our form, as we are, but for the manager of Manchester United you shouldn't show that fear/anxiety. You'd never see Fergie talk to the media the way Moyes has.
Yep, he's said we are unlucky so much that when we have actually been unlucky it has been meet with rolled eyes. He always looks frustrated and flustered on the bench.
Sack him now.
It's gonna get worse still.
I said a few weeks back when we signed Mata that all will be good again, but gollum still persists with these shit tactics. You honestly can't fault any players if they decide to leave in the summer, 82 crosses in a game, what a joke.
How I would love to wake up tomorrow morning to the news he was gone. I can't stand his football anymore.
Yes Fulham was our last straightforward-looking game for a while. Now it's 5 away games in a row, and our next 3 home games are Liverpool, Olympiakos and Man City.
Just sack him already.
I want to enjoy following Manchester United again, I just don't see that happening with Moyes at the helm.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...avid-moyes-now-officially-sack-221823218.html
No more excuses: David Moyes is now officially up for the sack
No more excuses: David Moyes is now officially up for the sack
The team will probably raise their game for Arsenal but then its off to Dubai before meeting Pulis and whatever game plan he has cooked up, Selhurst Park could be yet another bump along the road.
Give her the job.
If we don't win, 10 days without a game is going to be so shit. Whenever we lose, I just want the next game to come to get it out of my mind. Although, that's because under Ferguson we almost always bounced back.
If we win, it's 10 days to lose all the momentum that comes from it, like when we beat them at Old Trafford.
If we win, it's 10 days to lose all the momentum that comes from it, like when we beat them at Old Trafford.
To leave Moyes in charge of rebuilding the new squad, that scenario really scares me. If he really gets that opportunity then we're looking at a long period of boring football under him.
The two lads walking past.."David Moyes is f*****g shite...F**k off"
She's right though
Based on articles posted in various threads it seems like this latest result is the turning point in the way the media views the situation with Moyes. Now they are actually starting to question him, not just say he needs time, it's not his squad, etc.
Agreed, besides the position of manager which was essentially gifted to him, he has achieved far too little at this point to be rewarded with a free hand.
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Yep, the idea that all Moyes needs to do is strengthen our first team has been killed off at this stage. Everyone is saying he's getting things wrong too, which is a fair assessment. To be honest the media have treated him quite well up to now.
I disagree with her though about RVP. He certainly put his body on the line going for the ball against the keeper when he got called for a foul that never was.
81 crosses in a game not even considering corners. I think this takes one dimensional to a whole new level. So a question for the pro Moyes people here. How will a manager who has not won shit, has no tactical flexibility and is a poor motivator suddenly be expected to change things next year? I hope some fans still in Chosenoneland return to the real world soon or this is going to be a rot from the inside and we will be in the doldrums for the foreseeable future.
The old bag's got it absolutely spot on.
If you are hoping for a response, we will need to wait for awhile when the 3 of them in Butan gets their electricity back so they can respond.
Judging on the map, I guess the Indian Reds love him and want him to stay?
1 point from Fulham and Stoke. Great stuff again.
Moyes has been given such a wonderful opportunity. He gets to manage Manchester United had has the almost universal backing of the club and it's fans. He has a huge latitude to build his own side, is given a 6 year contract and promised patience and understanding. Something which the club has resolutely and admirably stuck to. I cannot imagine any of Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Bayern, Barca, Real, Juve, tolerating the performances of this season. Yet the board/owners (and the fans!) have done exactly that. It's one thing to say you have an ethos, it's another to back it up with action. I am not for the trigger happy approach of other clubs, but some such as Arsenla, Bayern, Juve, are more measured in their approach. But I doubt even they would've tolerate this.
So with all that going for him, Moyes has produced the most awful, clueless, rudderless, mindless nonsense I have ever witnessed of a manager at one of the world's top clubs. Yes, there's pressure but feck me...this is Manchester United, you're getting paid millions of pounds at the biggest club in the world (give or take), where success is paramount...of course there's pressure. Yes, the squad has it's flaws but feck me (again) this same squad won the title at a canter last season and lost it on goal difference the season before. It's not a mid-table cluster feck of a team.
Manchester United play attacking football. Ok, we get you are finally getting that. They also have a tradition of wingers and crossing, but newsflash...it's not all they do. They score from all over the pitch, in all manner of ways. The debacle today with over 80 crosses; a new premier league record; was an absolute embarrassment to the club. A new low for this management team. It was clueless and desperate and didn't even play to the strengths of the payers we have. The excellent players we have. You've got just about everyone in the world of football raising their eyebrows, bookmakers publically taking the piss, and the opposition manager of a rock bottom club baffled by the predictability and stupidity of your tactics.
Moyes has so much latitude to play the way he wants. He's been afforded that. He can smash it all up and build it the way he wants. But he's shown himself to be completely out of his depth. I really do wish him well, and in the heat of the moment I have said things before that I regret; but my personal opinion is that this man is just not winner enough, not tactically intelligent enough, not brave enough, or inspirational enough to be the Manchester United manager. I hope he or the club can come to this conclusion as soon as possible and respectfully part ways and give us the opportunity to move forwards. People ask where that would leave us. Why not wait until the summer. But if he isn't the right man, he just isn't the right man. Lets not give him longer to prolong the current malaise and further damage the morale of the club and it's players.
Moyes has been given such a wonderful opportunity. He gets to manage Manchester United had has the almost universal backing of the club and it's fans. He has a huge latitude to build his own side, is given a 6 year contract and promised patience and understanding. Something which the club has resolutely and admirably stuck to. I cannot imagine any of Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Bayern, Barca, Real, Juve, tolerating the performances of this season. Yet the board/owners (and the fans!) have done exactly that. It's one thing to say you have an ethos, it's another to back it up with action. I am not for the trigger happy approach of other clubs, but some such as Arsenla, Bayern, Juve, are more measured in their approach. But I doubt even they would've tolerate this.
So with all that going for him, Moyes has produced the most awful, clueless, rudderless, mindless nonsense I have ever witnessed of a manager at one of the world's top clubs. Yes, there's pressure but feck me...this is Manchester United, you're getting paid millions of pounds at the biggest club in the world (give or take), where success is paramount...of course there's pressure. Yes, the squad has it's flaws but feck me (again) this same squad won the title at a canter last season and lost it on goal difference the season before. It's not a mid-table cluster feck of a team.
Manchester United play attacking football. Ok, we get you are finally getting that. They also have a tradition of wingers and crossing, but newsflash...it's not all they do. They score from all over the pitch, in all manner of ways. The debacle today with over 80 crosses; a new premier league record; was an absolute embarrassment to the club. A new low for this management team. It was clueless and desperate and didn't even play to the strengths of the payers we have. The excellent players we have. You've got just about everyone in the world of football raising their eyebrows, bookmakers publically taking the piss, and the opposition manager of a rock bottom club baffled by the predictability and stupidity of your tactics.
Moyes has so much latitude to play the way he wants. He's been afforded that. He can smash it all up and build it the way he wants. But he's shown himself to be completely out of his depth. I really do wish him well, and in the heat of the moment I have said things before that I regret; but my personal opinion is that this man is just not winner enough, not tactically intelligent enough, not brave enough, or inspirational enough to be the Manchester United manager. I hope he or the club can come to this conclusion as soon as possible and respectfully part ways and give us the opportunity to move forwards. People ask where that would leave us. Why not wait until the summer. But if he isn't the right man, he just isn't the right man. Lets not give him longer to prolong the current malaise and further damage the morale of the club and it's players.
Can't argue with anything in the paragraph I underlined....I don't think anyone could.
That is a fantastic post sums up the way I feel on this perfectly.... I can't for the life of me understand why people are still backing Moyes. The Fulham match completely highlighted his total lack of tactical awareness... The over-reliance on a tactic which clearly wasn't working then and hasn't been working for us all season long really really worries me.
Yes, under Ferguson we used to play with wide men and such, but our overall play was much more coherent and energetic, e.g. the players worked their damn socks off for their manager.
David Moyes Will Be Sacked If He Continues Using His Current Tactics
By Rob Blanchette , Featured Columnist
Feb 9, 2014
It has become the worst kind of footballing Groundhog Day in history for The Faithful.
On Sunday evening, Manchester United once again failed to win at Old Trafford after conceding a last-minute goal to Premier League bottom side Fulham.
The Red Devils remain in seventh position in the league and are now nine points behind Liverpool, who sit in the final Champions League position.
During the game United made an astonishing 81 crosses, with only 18 reaching a player in red, per Squawka.
David Moyes' tactics for the match were baffling and crude, considering he has just purchased a £37 million world-class attacking midfielder and, for the second game running, started him wide in a 4-4-2.
Juan Mata's heat map
It was clear from the first whistle that Moyes wanted to go with Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie in attack, with two winger and two central midfielders.
This is the formation he started with in the recent defeat away at Stoke City, and I commented after the game how his tactics had lost United the match.
They say lightning does not strike twice, but in Manchester the weather seems to be stuck on repeat.
I really do not understand Moyes' leanings toward 4-4-2, when the players on his staff are crying out to be used in a 4-2-3-1.
Moyes' team selection was no surprise, but to see Mata starting out wide and not having the full licence to go and affect the game was puzzling.
Yes, Mata did drift inside as his heat map testifies, but if you are going to play a wing-attack against an opponent, then why do you not just play with two wingers and use Adnan Januzaj?
Of course, Moyes cannot bench Mata, bench Rooney so Mata can play central or bench RvP because he wants Rooney up front to accommodate Mata in the hole.
But these are good problems to have. The issue appears to be that Moyes has made these into bad problems that ultimately crushes the equilibrium of his team.
A switch to 4-2-3-1 is purely logical—and not a huge leap of faith for Moyes.
With van Persie in the striker's role, while Mata, Rooney and Januzaj are behind him interchanging and bamboozling their markers, and Michael Carrick and Darren Fletcher cleaning up behind—none of this is particularly extreme.
However, Moyes once again stuck with 4-4-2 and nearly lost a football match to the worst team in the top division.
If Moyes feels he needs to stick to his principles and carry on with this formation, he is gambling with his job.
Most United fans would like Moyes to get sufficient time and funds to drive the club forward in his image, but the type of performance witnessed against Fulham will not be tolerated for much longer. The players have correctly been to blame for much of United's spectacular failures in the last 10 minutes of football matches this season, conceding comedy goal after comedy goal.
But today went beyond player responsibility, even though huge mistakes were made again. The first Fulham goal saw four United players culpable.
Firstly, Nemanja Vidic was pulled out of his position, almost entering a completely different postcode.
Then, Fletcher and Rooney both decided that they would "leave" the one Fulham player bursting into the box from deep, instead opting to both be static and have a good old watch of the situation.
Finally, Patrice Evra, who could clearly see the developing attack from his left-back slot, decided to renege any defensive responsibility and not get involved.
This led Steve Sidwell a clear chance at scoring, which he did with consummate ease.
Vidic and Evra were again involved with the second Fulham goal.
This time Vidic decided to head the ball down to Carrick, who then did a bad impression of a defensive player.
And then as Fulham forced a save from David de Gea, Evra was once again caught on his heels as Darren Bent nodded in the unlikely equaliser.
Both goals were unacceptable and individuals must take some of the blame, but Moyes set his team up in this compromising formation and it is this tactic that now has a burdening effect on his players.
Ultimately, David Moyes is currently on a one-way escalator out of Manchester United if he cannot change things immediately.
His decisions are now losing United games, and as bad as the players have been, he needs to be getting more from them tactically.
Can he do this when he plays Mata wide in a 4-4-2? I do not think so.
Moyes' appointment was an attempt at continuity from Sir Alex Ferguson and the Glazers, but it is exactly that lack of true change that is damaging this transition.
Moyes and United need to cast aside the past and do away with the club's favoured formation, and introduce one that will get the most from its world-class attacking line-up.
As 4-4-2 was Fergie's Eden, it will end up being Moyes' Valhalla.
If this is how the next few months are going to be, then Moyes' tenure will be prematurely terminated and those who were opposed to his appointment will dance on his grave with septic glee.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ked-if-he-continues-using-his-current-tactics
By Rob Blanchette , Featured Columnist
Feb 9, 2014
It has become the worst kind of footballing Groundhog Day in history for The Faithful.
On Sunday evening, Manchester United once again failed to win at Old Trafford after conceding a last-minute goal to Premier League bottom side Fulham.
The Red Devils remain in seventh position in the league and are now nine points behind Liverpool, who sit in the final Champions League position.
During the game United made an astonishing 81 crosses, with only 18 reaching a player in red, per Squawka.
David Moyes' tactics for the match were baffling and crude, considering he has just purchased a £37 million world-class attacking midfielder and, for the second game running, started him wide in a 4-4-2.
Juan Mata's heat map
It was clear from the first whistle that Moyes wanted to go with Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie in attack, with two winger and two central midfielders.
This is the formation he started with in the recent defeat away at Stoke City, and I commented after the game how his tactics had lost United the match.
They say lightning does not strike twice, but in Manchester the weather seems to be stuck on repeat.
I really do not understand Moyes' leanings toward 4-4-2, when the players on his staff are crying out to be used in a 4-2-3-1.
Moyes' team selection was no surprise, but to see Mata starting out wide and not having the full licence to go and affect the game was puzzling.
Yes, Mata did drift inside as his heat map testifies, but if you are going to play a wing-attack against an opponent, then why do you not just play with two wingers and use Adnan Januzaj?
Of course, Moyes cannot bench Mata, bench Rooney so Mata can play central or bench RvP because he wants Rooney up front to accommodate Mata in the hole.
But these are good problems to have. The issue appears to be that Moyes has made these into bad problems that ultimately crushes the equilibrium of his team.
A switch to 4-2-3-1 is purely logical—and not a huge leap of faith for Moyes.
With van Persie in the striker's role, while Mata, Rooney and Januzaj are behind him interchanging and bamboozling their markers, and Michael Carrick and Darren Fletcher cleaning up behind—none of this is particularly extreme.
However, Moyes once again stuck with 4-4-2 and nearly lost a football match to the worst team in the top division.
If Moyes feels he needs to stick to his principles and carry on with this formation, he is gambling with his job.
Most United fans would like Moyes to get sufficient time and funds to drive the club forward in his image, but the type of performance witnessed against Fulham will not be tolerated for much longer. The players have correctly been to blame for much of United's spectacular failures in the last 10 minutes of football matches this season, conceding comedy goal after comedy goal.
But today went beyond player responsibility, even though huge mistakes were made again. The first Fulham goal saw four United players culpable.
Firstly, Nemanja Vidic was pulled out of his position, almost entering a completely different postcode.
Then, Fletcher and Rooney both decided that they would "leave" the one Fulham player bursting into the box from deep, instead opting to both be static and have a good old watch of the situation.
Finally, Patrice Evra, who could clearly see the developing attack from his left-back slot, decided to renege any defensive responsibility and not get involved.
This led Steve Sidwell a clear chance at scoring, which he did with consummate ease.
Vidic and Evra were again involved with the second Fulham goal.
This time Vidic decided to head the ball down to Carrick, who then did a bad impression of a defensive player.
And then as Fulham forced a save from David de Gea, Evra was once again caught on his heels as Darren Bent nodded in the unlikely equaliser.
Both goals were unacceptable and individuals must take some of the blame, but Moyes set his team up in this compromising formation and it is this tactic that now has a burdening effect on his players.
Ultimately, David Moyes is currently on a one-way escalator out of Manchester United if he cannot change things immediately.
His decisions are now losing United games, and as bad as the players have been, he needs to be getting more from them tactically.
Can he do this when he plays Mata wide in a 4-4-2? I do not think so.
Moyes' appointment was an attempt at continuity from Sir Alex Ferguson and the Glazers, but it is exactly that lack of true change that is damaging this transition.
Moyes and United need to cast aside the past and do away with the club's favoured formation, and introduce one that will get the most from its world-class attacking line-up.
As 4-4-2 was Fergie's Eden, it will end up being Moyes' Valhalla.
If this is how the next few months are going to be, then Moyes' tenure will be prematurely terminated and those who were opposed to his appointment will dance on his grave with septic glee.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ked-if-he-continues-using-his-current-tactics
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It's gonna get worse before it gets better (Moyes Sacked)
He won't be sacked now. What will the club statement say? "After 9 months in the job the club has decided to part ways with David Moyes. The man who was recommended by Sir Alex (and Sir Bobby) as his successor has had a difficult spell..."
Just the first part would be nice.
i really want him to recover from this, but don't see it happening. blaming the players is definitely not the way to go.
i hope he just puts all the tactical acumen credited to him, at some point of time very soon
i hope he just puts all the tactical acumen credited to him, at some point of time very soon
I cannot believe some still giving it "it will get better with time" nonsense. He's getting worse!
It was an embarassment watching Utd yesterday. Ive never seen a more one dimensional approach from us.
The longer we persevere with this clown, we will regret it.
It was an embarassment watching Utd yesterday. Ive never seen a more one dimensional approach from us.
The longer we persevere with this clown, we will regret it.
That article with the heat map reminds me of some plank on here the other day. He was moaning about Moyes forcing Mata to play wide while also saying "obviously, he did drift into the centre".
He either played wide or he didn't FFS. What is this shite about "drifting"? If you post a heat map proving that Mata wasn't actually stuck out on the wing it's not really gonna support your whining about Mata being stuck out on the wing!
He either played wide or he didn't FFS. What is this shite about "drifting"? If you post a heat map proving that Mata wasn't actually stuck out on the wing it's not really gonna support your whining about Mata being stuck out on the wing!
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