Moyes So Far!

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So instead of talking about how our tactics are terrible and dont suit our players... How about we entertain the idea that Moyes is a genius and has the right tactics but not the right players. Who do we need to recruit and how do we set up to make the most of our current pattern of play?


-------------------DDG
------------Ferdinand Vidic Baines

Dani Alves

Beckham ---Fabregas------ Baines

---------------Fellaini
-----------Crouch Shearer

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sorry for believing but your post gave that impression

Ah no hassle :) ...To be honest, a lot of the times I try to just have a bit of fun on here and have a bit of a laugh and I can see where you are coming from....But believe me, I am not enjoying any of this

Rio ?
Hernandez ?
What's been said?

Hernandez said: "The time to speak about many things will come..."

Rio was acting the arse on twitter saying I wonder which manager will be sacked next
 
It just sunk in. We're 15 points off the 1st place and 9 points off top 4, in mid-february. And we're out of both domestic cups.

Had you told me this before the season started, then I would have laughed in your face and called you a delusional moron for having so ridiculously low expectations. Yet here we are...
If we lose to Arsenal and Chelsea win, we'll be 18 points off the top, and 18 points off relegation places. The very definition of mid table.
 
Maybe he's actually a vehement ABU and is using his time here -- and the security of his six year contract -- to destroy us from the inside? A master troll, if there ever was one. God knows there have been enough opposition fans over the years dreaming of doing the same! :D
 
I don't think he'd entertain the idea tbh, hence my surprise.

Yeah, he must be dying for the chance to leave the best team on the planet and one of the richest clubs, which pays him huge loads of money, just to join United.

I mean, it is Manchester United after all, the job every single coach would drop their project at once and if necessary swim through the English canal to step into SAF´s footsteps.
 
Ah no hassle :) ...To be honest, a lot of the times I try to just have a bit of fun on here and have a bit of a laugh and I can see where you are coming from....But believe me, I am not enjoying any of this



Hernandez said: "The time to speak about many things will come..."

Rio was acting the arse on twitter saying I wonder which manager will be sacked next
It's not looking good, as soon as you lose the players you lose everything.
 
Doubt he's getting sacked anytime soon. Even if we finish 7th, which looks increasingly likely, Fergie still has his back.

To be fair to Sir Alex, he was saying the reassurance words so as to give Moyes the freedom but little did he know that Moyes took it literally by keeping the job and not performing. Moyes has really let us and specifically Sir Alex down. He has no excuse. Sir Alex would have never had expected he is that bad. He has no winning mentality that he can instill into the players'
 
Yeah, he must be dying for the chance to leave the best team on the planet and one of the richest clubs, which pays him huge loads of money, just to join United.

I mean, it is Manchester United after all, the job every single coach would drop their project at once and if necessary swim through the English canal to step into SAF´s footsteps.

"Ze English canal? Nah, sod that then."

:D
 
This is a man who has taken nearly all enjoyment out of following Manchester United. The future is bleak if he is involved.
 
I reckon he will 'quit' so both parties leave without egg on their face.
 
Why? He's not gotten the most of what we have here. What makes you think he'd do any better with other players? It's not as if he's trying to adopt a new style of play that doesn't suit our players. We've got no style of play at all!

Will you get your username switched back?...I'm beginning to think Moyes isn't your hero after all
 
Hiddink and a long shot SAF apart, who can replace him? who is going to leave their side mid-season? It's going to cost a bomb to fire Moyes, plus even more to buy the new guy out of whatever deal he's on at his current club. The club may have foreseen this and inserted an end of season exit clause or something, in which case he'll obviously be here until May.
 
Hiddink and a long shot SAF apart, who is going to leave their side mid-season? It's going to cost a bomb to fire Moyes, plus even more to buy the new guy out of whatever deal he's on at his current club. The club may have foreseen this and inserted an end of season exit clause or something, in which case he'll obviously be here until May.
But do you not understand that such a clause would make a mockery of the six year contract and what it stood for?
 
This, I could never understand why the club handed him that kind of contract, such blind faith, there is a name for that naivety.

Its a gamble to employ somebody like Moyes, if it works, brilliant, loyal chap, fits in with the clubs history and it could be another class manager in the making. Yet unproven on the highest level, never won anything that really matters, which means it could go horribly wrong. I actually support the club for being brave about it and having the guts to atleast try it with Moyes. Yet I'd expect if you take a gamble like that, you hand him a two year contract. Best case scenario he immediatley proves to be right guy for the job and you can easily reward that, by handing him a 4 or 5 year contract extension after the season. Expected scenario is he may need some time, about two years should do it, if you don't think he is the right man, it won't cost the club anything to get rid of him since his contract would be running out by then and if you do think he is the right guy, you could still extend his contract. Worst case scenario is a season like this, you could nip it in the but and fire him before his contract runs out and it would cost some money but not nearly as much as it would cost getting rid of a 6 year contract.

Its almost as if the club never doubted him and never saw a possible scenario in which he might fail, its like they thought the entire world is going to want Moyes once he starts coaching this team, so we have to make sure he won't leave and so we are going to give him a 6 year contract, madness, that is what that is, absolute madness. All the bullshit about it being a sign of confidence.... yea sure its a sign of confidence, blind confidence, overconfidence, delusional madness in fact, that is what that is a sign of. Isn't it already enough confidence that we'd give him the top position in the first place and let him bring in his own people and whatever players he'd want. We could have easily said, you can come, but you can't fire Meulensteen or Phelan and have to work with them and you have to let the coaching stay in Rénés hands and you can't actually go on to sign new players until you have proven you are good enough with the ones you already have, if you reach the expectations than you'll get your 6 year deal and then you can bring in your own guys and your own players. No we didn't do that, we said here are the keys of the kingdom have your way it, do whatever you want, you'll even get some fair time to transition the squad, but why the hell did we have to give a 6 year contract on top of that... no wonder the guy is smilling like that, he is going to earn a small fortune if we fire him and it will cost the club quite alot of money. Don't you have to like pay off the remaining salary as a compensation, that would be like £25m if we fire him at the end of the year. Madness really. The transtion of Ferguson just couldn't have been handled any worse imo, its been a total shambles. Embarrasing stuff from a club the grandeur of Manchester United.
Enjoyed this post, especially the bit about the giants of Europe trying to poach our manager. That tickled me. Good rant.
 
So instead of talking about how our tactics are terrible and dont suit our players... How about we entertain the idea that Moyes is a genius and has the right tactics but not the right players. Who do we need to recruit and how do we set up to make the most of our current pattern of play?


-------------------DDG
------------Ferdinand Vidic Baines

Dani Alves

Beckham ---Fabregas------ Baines

---------------Fellaini
-----------Crouch Shearer

:lol::lol: I see what you did there. The bolded ones are excellent choices. We would make at-least 102 crosses per game. Shearer would be a bit wasted in that position though. Yakuby would do better there.
 
For me when the worst defense in the league is able to "easily defend" against our "straight forward- get it wide, get it in" approach then we need to ask serious questions of our manager and his inability to adjust and overcome.
 
Under no circumstances should we being SAF back, just no. The season is a write off now anyway so what would you even achieve by bringing him back? Even if he delivered SAF-eqsue results the chances are we wouldn't finish better than 5th anyway.

Plan for next season now and I include re-evaluating the manager in that.

I beg to differ! I think chances are once SAF is back, teams coming to OT will start to panic (the fear factor will resume), and players will be scared of losing because they know there would be hair dryer's treatment if they cross so many times without a goal or 5. It really will work, even for psychological reasons for opposite teams and our own players.
 
I actually wonder whether Ferguson himself actually believes Moyes deserves the time and trusts him to turn it around.

He might, and he could still be right. But I genuinely wonder whether he'd be reluctant to suggest getting rid of him simply because of his own ego, Moyes being his choice, and his words of standing behind managers and not sacking them in their first season.

He's shown faith where no others would before, sometimes vindicated, sometimes not.
 
But do you not understand that such a clause would make a mockery of the six year contract and what it stood for?

"I'm sorry, I just can't take the Man United job because of that clause that says I don't get lots of money if I'm shit and you fire me".
 
I beg to differ! I think chances are once SAF is back, teams coming to OT will start to panic (the fear factor will resume), and players will be scared of losing because they know there would be hair dryer's treatment if they cross so many times without a goal or 5. It really will work, even for psychological reasons for opposite teams and our own players.

For how long? He doesn't want to be in the job anymore, he is happy retired.

Ignoring the affect on his life, how long until he goes and we have to go through all this yet again?
 
You do have to wonder how terrible things have to get before the Glazers act. We are in freefall. Only 2 wins since this calendar year begun and only one was convincing (and only for 45 minutes). Its poor. Do we have to get stuffed in Greece before Moyes gets the boot? We're 7th now but if we keep dropping points Newcastle could easily catch us, we have some really big teams to play in the not too far off future. We could very easily finish around 10th at this rate. Its humiliating.
 
"Right we've absolute faith in you so we're given you a six year contract."
"Great, cheers."
"We'll just insert this little clause in case you prove to be shit, shall we?"

Makes business sense, and that's what the Glazers are. Business men.

I'm only speculating, i doubt such a clause exists. But they'd have been proven right.
 
Can't Moyes and the Club organise a 'behind-closed-doors' arrangement where Moyes pretends to 'resign' but is also given a relatively handsome severance package by the club...not as much as to cover the remainder of his contract, but enough for him to go on luxury holidays until he inevitably becomes the next manager of West Ham or Stoke City. Best outcome for everyone's pride.
 
I beg to differ! I think chances are once SAF is back, teams coming to OT will start to panic (the fear factor will resume), and players will be scared of losing because they know there would be hair dryer's treatment if they cross so many times without a goal or 5. It really will work, even for psychological reasons for opposite teams and our own players.

We need a long term fix, not a short term one.
 
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You known what I meant. It would be the best outcome for all involved.

I've been thinking for a while, I wonder if Fergie is a bit insulted by some of the things Moyes has said about the players..

He's said on numerous occasions the team isn't good enough and now he's saying they are mentally soft...People saying Fergie has his back could be very much wrong if he keeps saying things like this. Fergie is a proud man and he wouldn't take too kindly to them things been said
 
Can't Moyes and the Club organise a 'behind-closed-doors' arrangement where Moyes pretends to 'resign' but is also given a relatively handsome severance package by the club...not as much as to cover the remainder of his contract, but enough for him to go on luxury holidays until he inevitably becomes the next manager of West Ham or Stoke City. Best outcome for everyone's pride.
Of course they could. But do you see Moyes agreeing to this? The man appears to hold little concern for saving face.
 
I beg to differ! I think chances are once SAF is back, teams coming to OT will start to panic (the fear factor will resume), and players will be scared of losing because they know there would be hair dryer's treatment if they cross so many times without a goal or 5. It really will work, even for psychological reasons for opposite teams and our own players.

It wouldn't work. The players would respect him, yes, but they would know it was temporary and he would be leaving again at the end of the season. We all know what happened last time the players knew months in advance he was leaving. We'd improve, but we're talk far behind 4th now. We're better off going for a new permanent manager
 
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