Moyes So Far!

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My two cents: he's anxious, indecisive and has problems making up his mind; all the 'squad assessment' stuff was an excuse to buy time and postpone difficult decisions.
Yep, seems that way.

Mourinho came in at Chelsea and knew straight away that Mata wasn't right for the style he wanted to play. He knew what he needed and he went out and bought it.
 
If we lose to the Gooners, then he must be sacked immediately. Bring back SAF till the end of the season, then hire somebody with a proven track record in winning trophies. Looking at our staff on the bench today was worrying, PNev, Round and Moyes all look lost.
We are going to lose to Arsenal, lets be honest here. There's also no chance Ferguson will be come out of retirement for this sorry bunch. I'd give the job to Giggs on an interim basis.
 
We gave him one transfer window and one bumper copy of Wheres Woodward?
Lies. Woodward did ok. He couldn't have forced Barca to sell a player that they didn't want to sell, neither force Fabregas - who didn't had any intention to leave - to leave. He offered 15m for Baines, which is more than Baines is worth of. Moyes wanted Fellaini despite we had apparently a dea with Strootman. We didn't paid 20m for De Rossi (Roma's price) but we didn't had problems paying almost 10m more for Moyes buddy.

Woodward destroyed the transfer window is just an another pathetic excuse for Moyes. And this year we have had many of them. Luck, injuries, players are shit, referees are not giving us anything, Glazers, Woodward, other teams being better, only 3/4/5/6/7/8 months etc. Just excuses and everyoneknows that. Some people are more interested to look betetr than other fans (supposedly you look better than others by backing the manager) than for the future of the club.
 
There were numerous others. Watch the highlights. Nearly 30 attempts on goal surely give you the slightest hint that we created more then one chance?

1 clear chance. The rest were all hopeful crosses lumped into the box. You could add the RVP chance with the chip to a clear chance too.
 
If the football was getting better I'd be the first to say, give him time but it's actually getting worse by the virtue that it's the same shit every week. The guy is utterly clueless and should be sacked forthwith. Bring in AVB as a interim manager.
 
If we lose to the Gooners, then he must be sacked immediately. Bring back SAF till the end of the season, then hire somebody with a proven track record in winning trophies. Looking at our staff on the bench today was worrying, PNev, Round and Moyes all look lost.

Neville is absolutely clueless. We all saw him on the bench with that gormless face not having a clue what to say or even what he is doing there. He's like a lad on work experience.
 
Lies. Woodward did ok. He couldn't have forced Barca to sell a player that they didn't want to sell, neither force Fabregas - who didn't had any intention to leave - to leave. He offered 15m for Baines, which is more than Baines is worth of. Moyes wanted Fellaini despite we had apparently a dea with Strootman. We didn't paid 20m for De Rossi (Roma's price) but we didn't had problems paying almost 10m more for Moyes buddy.

Woodward destroyed the transfer window is just an another pathetic excuse for Moyes. And this year we have had many of them. Luck, injuries, players are shit, referees are not giving us anything, Glazers, Woodward, other teams being better, only 3/4/5/6/7/8 months etc. Just excuses and everyoneknows that. Some people are more interested to look betetr than other fans (supposedly you look better than others by backing the manager) than for the future of the club.
Yeah you're right, Moyes Out.
 
To be fair, even if you still back the guy, you have to ask,

How is he still in the job? It's not been good enough and he would have been let go anywhere else....

Shame to...Clearly a good guy and a good manager. Just not good enough for this club I feel
 
I can't understand why he needed all that time to 'assess' who he did and who he didn't want. It's as if he genuinely walked in on the first day on the job with no clue who he wanted and who he didn't want. We're Manchester United not Ebbsfleet 2nd XI - there was no need for him to spend essentially two transfer windows looking at 'what we got'
Agreed. And we all found out at the start of May Fergie was retiring but Moyes knew and that he would take over since March or April, he has had since then to think about the squad and what we needed.
 
Under no circumstances should we being SAF back, just no. The season is a write off now anyway so what would you even achieve by bringing him back? Even if he delivered SAF-eqsue results the chances are we wouldn't finish better than 5th anyway.

Plan for next season now and I include re-evaluating the manager in that.
 
Some people see what they want to see to. This is totally pointless.

As were the crosses. You're seeing what you want to see as well.

Look we all like him, he seems like a good guy, but he's not a Manchester United level manager and his tactics are showing it week after week. Trying to nit pick little points here and there isn't going to change the general idea of most about him.
 
Yeah you're right, Moyes Out.
After you made a question (about the free managers) I answered that seriously. You changed the topic. I again answered it seriously. I expect the same from others. Equivalent of your posting would have been if I had answered the first time 'everybody' and the second time 'sack Moyes'.

You could have contered why those managers are worse options than Moyes or explain why it was Woodward' fault (and not Moyes fault).
 
yeah right. Just embarrassed yourself. Let's hope Arsenal win on Wednesday eh?
if you have the time scroll through my posts in the Moyes thread with the poll, do so. I've always maintained he should be Sacked In May If We Fail To Finish In The Top 4. However I know he will get money in the summer and at least another season before sacking becomes an option.

Also there is nothing disgraceful about wanting a manager who is inept to be fired. I just want the best for United. If his tactics were winning us games or we were playing decent football I wouldn't mind his work.
 
Racking my brain looking for reasons he's still in a job here.
  1. Ferguson.
  2. The ethos of Manchester United.
  3. Money.
  4. Lack of a better option right now.
That's about it.
 
You could have contered why those managers are worse options than Moyes or explain why it was Woodward' fault (and not Moyes fault).
And the argument would be my apparently assumed situation against yours, what would the point have been?

Probably less than the point of this reply other than to walk away from the "debate"
 
Racking my brain looking for reasons he's still in a job here.
  1. Ferguson.
  2. The ethos of Manchester United.
  3. Money.
  4. Lack of a better option right now.
That's about it.

:confused: 30-50m from the loss of European football is much more than what we woud have needed to pay for his sacking. In fact even if we manage (with an another manager) to get only Europa League, still we would get around 15 - 20m from it which is likely more than what we would have to pay to Moyes.

And I am not even talking about the possible (or inevitable) losses that we will have if we don't go to UCL next season.

Deciding only by monet, sacking Moyes would be the best thing in the economical sense.
 
And the argument would be my apparently assumed situation against yours, what would the point have been?

Probably less than the point of this reply other than to walk away from the "debate"

Isn't that the point of the debate? I have totally different opinions with chesterleestreet (for example) for Moyes but I always enjoy his reading and debate with him. If your responses to people who seriously answer your questions are 3 word satirical posts then why bother to post those questions?
 
Good call.

And it's not that Tabárez was a poor manager by any means, he just wasn't good enough to take over a title-winning side at the end of its cycle and rebuild it. The same thing happened at Madrid after the most successful period in their history - Luis Molowny took them to 8th place in his first (half-)season after Miguel Muñoz stepped down. They hadn't finished outside the top four in over 20 years and in which time they won 14 league titles and 5 European Cups and he took them to 8th. He managed them three years later and won back-to-back titles so it wasn't that he was a poor manager, he just wasn't the man to rebuild that team. Ajax won 6 league titles and 3 European Cups in 8 seasons but then after Kovacs left they finished outside the top two for the first time in a decade. It happens.

So what you're saying is that, like Milan, this summer we're gonna make a raft of signings like Milan did in getting Dugarry, Ba, Davids etc. and still find we're gonna need to replace our manager (maybe a few times) to get back to being successful? Yeah I can see that...

...wonder who will be our Zaccheroni and Ancelotti?
 
Isn't that the point of the debate? I have totally different opinions with chesterleestreet (for example) for Moyes but I always enjoy his reading and debate with him. If your responses to people who seriously answer your questions are 3 word satirical posts then why bother to post those questions?
But its not based on any facts, you say that Woodward didn't ruin Moyes' first transfer window - I disagree. Neither of us were in the meetings to see whether Woody came in with a daily list of players he thought were available but Moyes laughed at them and threw them back at him while using pages of the Manchester United Opus to roll joints with or not.
 
if we are going to play 4-4-2 you need a destroyer and playmaker in the middle. Looking at our squad...Jones and Mata fit that requirement.

For this match...

Januzaj should have come in for Fletcher. Switch Young to the right. Drop Rooney to midfield. Mata behind RVP. Thats it.

The only way to play a team that parks a bus is have your midfield players attack...which was what Carrick did for that goal.
 
The big question now for the owners is, "Would you trust Moyes with £100 million this summer?". Anybody answering Yes to that question is a very brave person.
 
But its not based on any facts, you say that Woodward didn't ruin Moyes' first transfer window - I disagree. Neither of us were in the meetings to see whether Woody came in with a daily list of players he thought were available but Moyes laughed at them and threw them back at him while using pages of the Manchester United Opus to roll joints with or not.
We all knew that Fabregas wasn't available though. What was the point of sticking with him for 2 months then? I doubt that Woody went to Barcelona on his own.

Woody offered 15m for Baines and Everton refused to sell. What he should have done? Offer 40m for a 10m player?

There are many reports that say that Strootman and Garay were done deals but Moyes didn't want them. Maybe that is true, maybe it is not.

Roma confirmed that they gave an ultimatum on De Rossi. Why would Woody refused to pay 20m for him, but then pay 27.5m on Fellaini? The only reason I can think of, is because Moyes wanted Fellaini more.

You say that this isn't based on fact, but then how your opinion that Woody screwed the transfer window is based on facts? At-least I am posting some things we know from reports, while you are just saying that Woody screwed it by not even offering any argument for that case.

If Woody was the only person responsible for that fiasco, I think it is fair to give him all the credit for Mata's purchace. Right?
 
4th place has gone now and I'd rather be out of the Europa league than in so I don't see why the "who's available now?" question actually matters.
Agreed, get him out and get a caretaker in.
 
The big question now for the owners is, "Would you trust Moyes with £100 million this summer?". Anybody answering Yes to that question is a very brave person.

I would certainly trust him to bring the correct players in, he knows what we need. However I wouldn't let him manage them in a month of Sundays. Tricky one.
 
Two wins, one draw, and six losses in 2014. Relegation form. Just get him out.
Made even worse when you look at the opposition, Fulham, Stoke, Swansea, Sunderland, even Spurs was a home game. Shocking results.
 
How some are still backing Moyes is beyond me. Hes offered nothing but disappointment since he joined.
 
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