Moyes So Far!

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Can't get my head around of why Moyes could be this bad. And that tactic!! I mean, surely no (experience) manager should have persisted with crossing as the main style when your best players are Mata, Van Persie, Rooney, and Carrick.

I really can't understand why he's doing this.
 
kouroux said:
You have trouble reading simple posts ? He's allowed to celebrate goals, it's just the way he over did that was small time. Like he won the Manchester derby or a match vs Liverpool.
That's my point Mozza, fecking simple to understand. You can disagree with it obviously but at least don't disagree with something I didn't say nor didn't mean.
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Small time for celebrating what looked a winning goal, as i said, ludicrous
 
The cliché used to be: "Whoever finishes ahead of United, wins the league."

Moyes has turned that into: "Whoever finishes ahead of United, gets Europa League."
 
We're going to stand by him far to long. It's already beyond a joke I just wish we could just cut him loose now, give it to Giggs to then end of the season and look to bring in a top manager in the summer, any of Klopp, Hiddink, Blanc, Simone would be a massive improvement and probably attainable.

You need to ask the question as well (ignoring that your a fan). If you were a top player, looking at what Moyes has done here and the fact there will be know European football would you sign for us?
 
nahealai said:
Does it, or is it Rene being his usual arrogant self trying to stick the knife into Moyes?

He fluked a point at the death due to a stupid defensive decision and now he's acting like he masterminded the whole thing. Give me a fecking break!
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Watched it on MUTV Rene was actually being kind and looked really uncomfortable talking about it, resorted to hugging himself in a really defensive way. One of the journos asked him why United had lost all their confidence and he didn't want none of it, changed the subject. I dont think Rene was in anyway trying to do Moyes, he was just stating the obvious.
 
What's the most shocking about him is how there is no evolution in his tactics. I would give him more support if I'd see some kind of improvement or even a change. For months now all we do is cross, cross, cross and we don't change a thing about it. It doesn't work and this style will never work, even with the best players in the world.
 
Isotope said:
Can't get my head around of why Moyes could be this bad. And that tactic!! I mean, surely no (experience manager) should have persisted with crossing as the main style when your best players are Mata, Van Persie, Rooney, and Carrick.

I really can't understand why he's doing this.
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This is what gets me. It's not so much we play poorly or one dimensionally (although that is annoying too) it's the fact the manager seems unable to see it. I feel like a patient who has checked into North Staffordshire hospital with severe head pains only for the specialist in charge of my treatment for the 26th time in a row to recommend another foot rub.

It's beyond the stage where you can even question it's competence. It IS incompetent.
 
Mozza said:
3 weeks ago (or was it 4) Jose was going mental at West Ham parking the bus, last week Liverpool drew with West Brom, we should have won against these tactics but for a shit header from one of our most experienced players
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Both teams are winning these games far more often than we do. Both are far higher up the table than we are. I think they are doing fine just as they are and teams stacked with top players are not as helpless against bottom of the table teams tactics as you would suggest.

We are rubbish and not unlucky.
 
manusteve said:
Moyes has Kagawa, who is a much more dynamic No. 10 than Rooney, and he doesn't play him. Now he has Mata, who is a much more dynamic No. 10 than Rooney, and he plays him wide. Moyes has played 4-2-3-1 but he uses wingers in the 3 rather than simply attacking minded players. Can you imagine how the likes of Reus would be played by Moyes?
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As I said earlier Moyes, only god knows why, does not rate Kagawa and Shinji will be one of the first out the door in the summer. It just highlights his inability to adapt that he cannot change from a 4-4-2 wide game to accommodate a trio from Rooney/Mata/Kagawa/Januzaj. Instead we get Ashley fcking Young and Valencia because they can play wide. His excuse for this? because Japan sometimes play Kagawa wide so we play him wide..then he doesnt have a good game and gets replaced by a true winger. He just doesnt have the balls or the gumption to make the changes needed.

Mata really might be regretting not seeing the season out with Chelsea now
 
apparently he's in the changing rooms now saying "not enough crosses boys, get it in there"
 
Anderson18 said:
What's the most shocking about him is how there is no evolution in his tactics. I would give him more support if I'd see some kind of improvement or even a change. For months now all we do is cross, cross, cross and we don't change a thing about it. It doesn't work and this style will never work, even with the best players in the world.
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The only apparent evolution is the increase of crosses per match now.
 
Slevs said:
The point is:

1 mistake can happen, that's football and we can't critize or anything.

BUT:

89 other minutes of pure shite at home to a team who is bottom of the league and is known for conceding 3+ goals most games should not happen.

You're thinking on the micro sense. Our player made a mistake, so we didn't win. On the macro basis, our manager's tactics consisted of us breaking the guiness record for crosses in the game with no tactical plan lther than crossing.
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We weren't pure shit, we made enough chances to have scored more then 2 goals
 
bosnian_red said:
Spot on. This is clearly how he wants us to play, his post match interviews just further cement that. The sooner we bring somebody else in, the sooner they can come in and try to do their best to save what is left of this season.
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The season is gone, we can however begin to repair the damage done to the squad's morale and stop the rot. That's the only positive action in sacking Dave half way through the season.
 
i know i won't be popular over here but i think the club will support him after making the necessary changes. By necessary changes i mean replacing certain players next summer. Missing out on the 4th place will make this job tougher for him and it wont be any easier for any one else replacing him.
 
Mozza said:
We weren't pure shit, we made enough chances to have scored more then 2 goals
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We were dominant because Fulham is a poor team. So scoring more than two should not be such an insurmountable achievement.
 


RedSky At Night said:
The season is gone, we can however begin to repair the damage done to the squad's morale and stop the rot. That's the only positive action in sacking Dave half way through the season.
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Yeah that's pretty much what I meant. The new manager can start changing our style and deal with the transition that comes with it until the end of the season. There is really no negatives to keeping Moyes here. Him being here is the equivalent of giving the job to Tony Pulis or Big Sam. So out of his depth.
 
lilcurt said:
We're going to stand by him far to long. It's already beyond a joke I just wish we could just cut him loose now, give it to Giggs to then end of the season and look to bring in a top manager in the summer, any of Klopp, Hiddink, Blanc, Simone would be a massive improvement and probably attainable.

You need to ask the question as well (ignoring that your a fan). If you were a top player, looking at what Moyes has done here and the fact there will be know European football would you sign for us?
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I think if I was a top player, even if I was tempted to miss a season of European Football, the style of football would keep me well away
 
Plugsy said:
This is what gets me. It's not so much we play poorly or one dimensionally (although that is annoying too) it's the fact the manager seems unable to see it. I feel like a patient who has checked into North Staffordshire hospital with severe head pains only for the specialist in charge of my treatment for the 26th time in a row to recommend another foot rub.

It's beyond the stage where you can even question it's competence. It IS incompetent.
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Exactly. It's like seeing a guy orders a thousand dollars worth steak, but having it very well done. Surely you feel like "WTF man?!?"
 
Mozza said:
We weren't pure shit, we made enough chances to have scored more then 2 goals
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Sticking the ball onto the tallest Fulham defender for 90 minutes does not equate to enough chances.
 
By the end of the week, we will likely be as close to the drop as we are to the title.
 
Ixion said:
We've actually had a decent run of fixtures on paper since the new year to put a run together. Its amazing how badly we've done.
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We are getting worse and worse. The more Moyes instills his ideas into the team the worse it gets.

I would say opposition fans are praying Moyes gets another season.
 
4th place has gone now and I'd rather be out of the Europa league than in so I don't see why the "who's available now?" question actually matters.
 
Red For Ever said:
I think if I was a top player, even if I was tempted to miss a season of European Football, the style of football would keep me well away
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This. I'm genuinely starting to worry about our best players being willing to hang about. Rooney's contract is getting closer to its end and there's only gonna be so many times Van Persie is gonna be happy with seeing the ball fly over his head. I fear Moyes leaving us in a worst state than he found us. Genuinely looking forward to the opening of the transfer window now.
 
Sphaero said:
Your second goal was an open shot, which was deflected and served to you on a silver platter. There was nothing about luck in this game. Steckelenburg had three or four really good saves, but otherwise all this possesion led to extremely little vs. the worst defense of the EPL.

This performance is mainly down do Moyes. He set the team up that way. Not a single team in the world plays in such a way with a overreliance on one thing (crossing), if they are not clearly told to do so.

People also need to realise that this is the way Moyes wants United to play. Mata, Januzaj, Rooney or RvP are all capable of taking different approaches towards the game, but are not doing it.

Moyes needs to go. There is not another way to say it. I have trouble remembering a similar case of a manager regressing a team in such a way over half a year.

You used to be a team that was feared. Now the dead last team subs offensively at HT because they smell blood. You used to be able to turn games around at even the last minute, now you are eating goals in extra time like they are candies. All this mental strength is gone, because you are coached by a negative manager.

Let him go as soon as possible and bring someone in with a clear idea, who gets to install it without pressure about results. This is the best time for a new coach to start a transition, because the season is already a write off. The longer you wait the deeper you will fall.
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Well written.
 
I'd persist with his shite until the end of the season anyway, there's no real other options other than maybe Giggs as interim? He is not the man for the job. Nice enough man and a decent manager, but he is completely and utterly out of his depth.
 
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