Spot on. This is clearly how he wants us to play, his post match interviews just further cement that. The sooner we bring somebody else in, the sooner they can come in and try to do their best to save what is left of this season.
Moyes So Far!
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Yes we have been "unlucky" alot this season but the best sides take luck out of the equation by playing at a high level and creating a number of chances to score in matches like this whilst not committing suicide at the back.
You can't give away a sloppy goal in each half from basically no opposition pressure and then rely on lady luck to be on your side. Not if you want to win titles.
Fergie was right was when he said we needed to get behind the new manager if the results suffered during the transition and as a club and a set of supporters I think we have shown more patience than you see at any other top club in this day and age. The hard truth is though, I don't think anybody expected things to be as bad as this.
To be virtually out of the running for a top four finish with a third of the season remaining with a set of players that comfortably won the league would have been unthinkable when Moyes took the position in June and is simply not an acceptable situation for us to be in.
Add to this that he has had the bonus of Januzaj to call on and also been given over £60m to address any shortcomings in the squad and you would have to say that Moyes has so far been extremely poor.
You can't give away a sloppy goal in each half from basically no opposition pressure and then rely on lady luck to be on your side. Not if you want to win titles.
Fergie was right was when he said we needed to get behind the new manager if the results suffered during the transition and as a club and a set of supporters I think we have shown more patience than you see at any other top club in this day and age. The hard truth is though, I don't think anybody expected things to be as bad as this.
To be virtually out of the running for a top four finish with a third of the season remaining with a set of players that comfortably won the league would have been unthinkable when Moyes took the position in June and is simply not an acceptable situation for us to be in.
Add to this that he has had the bonus of Januzaj to call on and also been given over £60m to address any shortcomings in the squad and you would have to say that Moyes has so far been extremely poor.
Rene Meulensteen: "United's approach was straightforward. Get it wide, get it in the box. It can be easy to defend against."
Says it all.
Says it all.
I think its evident that when you see Mata flung out wide that David Moyes is incapable of finding the best formation or style of play for the team. The team is crying out for the same tactics Chelsea currently use as in 3 amigos in behind a striker with two CM's behind them. Width and crossing DO NOT FCKIN WORK ANYMORE.
I've been one of Moyes' defenders on this forum - but I think I've finally lost faith in him now. No point asking him to be sacked, because it won't happen.
I'm just going to trundle on now through the season hoping we'll win the next game. Drawing, at home, to the bottom place club when we're in desperate need of 3 points - hard to defend that.
I'm just going to trundle on now through the season hoping we'll win the next game. Drawing, at home, to the bottom place club when we're in desperate need of 3 points - hard to defend that.
You have trouble reading simple posts ? He's allowed to celebrate goals, it's just the way he over did that was small time. Like he won the Manchester derby or a match vs Liverpool.
That's my point Mozza, fecking simple to understand. You can disagree with it obviously but at least don't disagree with something I didn't say nor didn't mean.
And this was just Stoke and Fulham..
Come on Jim, announce he's gone
Absolutely. It's quite easy to defend as there is no option B to our play.
Utter rubbish comparison. Fulham were not lucky today. Our tactics played well into their hands and frankly they deserved to win. Richardsom missed a sure goal.
Moyes said we didn't just cross 
Would you say the same when Messi played wide right for Barcelona?
Halleluja. He should have been sacked after the Newcastle game and the season could/would have been saved (depending on the replacement). Now it is too late to save anything from this season, but we could at-least give a few extra months of preparation to a new manager. If we continue with the clueless Moyes on charge we are only delaying the inevitable and the new manager would have more difficulties sending us back to top because Moyes will spend some money on the summer to bring some deadwood and will also sell some good players like Kagawa and Hernandez. Add to that, the confidence of our players will be shattered even furthet. The board is playing a dangerous game which is pretty weird considering that we have nothing to win and everything to lose. Even if Moyes will fullfill his potential - at best - we would be a team who would challenge for the fourth place and at times get it.
Apparently this is the players fault and nothing to do with the manager.....
The point is:
1 mistake can happen, that's football and we can't critize or anything.
BUT:
89 other minutes of pure shite at home to a team who is bottom of the league and is known for conceding 3+ goals most games should not happen.
You're thinking on the micro sense. Our player made a mistake, so we didn't win. On the macro basis, our manager's tactics consisted of us breaking the guiness record for crosses in the game with no tactical plan lther than crossing.
The post game press conference was an embarrassment to MUFC. His defence of why we crossed it so much, saying its in the DNA of this club to get it wide. He clearly doesn't understand Man Utd. Maybe he should watch some games of ours before he arrived at United. The role of our midfield was not solely to service wide areas.
It's not just the midfield tbf, it's the strikers as well, they're on top of each other half the time, neither really dropping to put the other or others in to the game.
I agree, the approach is to rigid and simplistic, the base premise of exploiting wide areas is fine though, how we're going about it though isn't. It's too slow and too predicable. Under Fergie we could work it neatly through the middle, drag players out of position then play it to someone wide to put it in. We don't do that now, both strikers run straight in to the box pretty much as we enter their third and the only option is to take it wide and as a result the only person being dragged out of position is their winger and maybe the full back.
BBC Sport's Alistair Magowan at Old Trafford: "Rene Meulensteen says that Manchester United's game plan was 'straightforward'. he said: 'They were getting it wide and getting it in to the box.'"
Well we should have won it? And we did create a lot of chances..
I'm not saying the football was great as it clearly wasn't but I don't really get your point.
I have been patient with Moyes, but i can't hack this anymore. I'm sure he is a very good coach with some good ideas. But it is simply not working the pitch and appears to be a breakdown between pLayers and staff. To me, once Mangers lose the players and fans support there is no coming back. I agree with the idea of sacking him and giving someone else a shot for now. But who is available? Rene is out, phelan is not for me. How and where is carlos queiroz these days?
Does it, or is it Rene being his usual arrogant self trying to stick the knife into Moyes?
He fluked a point at the death due to a stupid defensive decision and now he's acting like he masterminded the whole thing. Give me a fecking break!
I actually think it might depend on how he does in the upcoming Champions League match. We've done well in Europe and that might save him, with our team we should be looking to progress so if we lose I think that may just be the nail in the coffin for the owners.
But realistically, who can we bring in right now?
They were lucky, even one of their counter attacks came from a clearance ending up nicely for a chase forward. They had 3 in the whole game, all in the first half, there were too many scrambled clearances for them to say they had it easliy under control
Hiddink?
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It took a shot-come-cross for the equalizer and a deflected Carrick shot to break their defence. I think their game plan worked
Nope, it makes us inferior. There's no skill sticking with any old manager - the skill is knowing which ones to sack and doing it as soon as possible.
The question never answered by people who want him out.
i was just taking the piss
Rene just pointing out what everyone who actually watched the game saw and what United have been doing for the last 6 months. Nothing arrogant about it.
Moyes has Kagawa, who is a much more dynamic No. 10 than Rooney, and he doesn't play him. Now he has Mata, who is a much more dynamic No. 10 than Rooney, and he plays him wide. Moyes has played 4-2-3-1 but he uses wingers in the 3 rather than simply attacking minded players. Can you imagine how the likes of Reus would be played by Moyes?
Don't think it matters, season is dead. I'm sure Giggs and Butt could manage us through to the summer and then we can see who's out there. 99% of managers would still jump at the job.
Do you disagree with what he said though?
I think Barca are a few steps ahead of United right now regardless of where Messi played. Messi could play in goal and they would still win most matches
I get your point but he's telling the fecking truth!
Today was a fecking disgrace from a Utd manager. I've never witnessed a Utd manager with no idea of what to do.
Fans reaction if he goes tonight
Let's just say I think the board might want to start putting the feelers out for next season.
Moyes said we didn't just cross
'We passed it, and tried to get through' - #moyeswisdom4eva
They fluked a point leading 1-0 up to the 78th minute with an incredible miss to make it 2-0 in the first half?
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